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Hans Koraeus

http://i6.tinypic.com/7xnpll1.jpg I would say it would be a good picture in the section of how not to handle cone counting at an ISSA event... But I guess the best is having no pics at all unless they are to clarify a rule or something. Rule books are supposed to be boring. No? And if still peoepl ...

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Don't mix cash with Pro/Am. It's two different things on the slalom scene right now. - Cash you can choose to have or not depending on the economy/sponsors you have for an event. - Pro/Am is to be able to set up approriate courses for two different skill levels - Pro and Am is today only a name for ...

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The overall get important when money is distributed towards it. That's why this is worth discussing. In general I think it is wrong when only the overall is used. You should distribute money for each discipline. Where the overall in my view very well could be one "virtual" discipline. I.e. TS rank S...

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Thanks Pat!

Can you calculate for the 7 and 6 degree slopes as well while your calculator is warm?

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Steepness Have a look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slope ;-) Or let's make a home made explanation: 8 degrees is steep. Well, let's do it a little bit more understandable. 45 degrees is 1 meter fall on 1 meter length so... 22,5 degrees is 1 meter fall on 2 meter length so... degree = 45/length...

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Yes I know. A little misstake from Jürgen. And I could not flip them right since he had put his signature on them. Maybe some day it will be fixed. But I can tell you it is very low on my current priority list. It's so low that I can't even see it.

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Maybe this can shed some light on it http://www.slalomranking.com/content/content.php?c=29&ct=13 But as I say the AM/PRO classes for women does not exist. I will have a look to make sure all points are correct for the final year rankings. Look at each racers results ( http://www.slalomranking.com/ra...

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Ha, ha, feels almost nostalgic already reading this topic from the start. Things are moving ahead slowly in Stockholm but much time have past since last update. Things have come a long way for a world unique skatepark including all skateboard disciplines: Downhill, Slalom, Flatland, Street, Transiti...

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I think it would be nice if one could take the best time from qualifying or from the head to head to determine placements but... - Qualification you run to get a time - Head to Head you run to win So difficult to mix them. In the end you either stand for the traditional "same placements" philosophy ...

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Sorry for confusing you all. Blind cones is the term I was looking for. Here is an example of a blind cone... http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/images/blind_cone.jpg Often used in Europe. Maybe not as common in the States. I don't know. With blind cones the minimum distance can't use the normal rule...

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It's the "total" rankings" that counts for women.

"Am" class does not exist for women since there is no pro group. All women compete in the "Open" class.

Women can compete in mens classes though and then exist in "Men Am", "Men Pro" classes.

Hans Koraeus

The reason I like to use the World Ranking points is that it is the points I get automatically from the ranking system. They are after all used to add up results for all event disicplines in the ranking anyway. So why not use the same points for the overall as well. The World Ranking "overall" is on...

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Yes, Jürgen made that picture for me for my www.skateboardmemories.com site I worked on a couple of years ago. It's been on hold for a while because of other skate related projects. Here are some of the other pics from Jürgen that I posted on the site... http://www.skateboardmemories.com/html/film_3...

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Hey this is the European forum. What do we know about events on the other side of the pound?

Yes, I forgot. But no results have come in either so it wouldn't have helped even if I would have remembered. It has been noted here...

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/phpBB ... 2372#52372

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By the way there is one more MAIN status event in USA not included yet. The COSS Fall Open.

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Thanks Guillaume, I have added you above as result administrator. Getting hold of event results and formatting them in a good format for the world ranking import will help a lot. Sometimes only trying to understand the result lists is a hassle. Also the naming issue is a general problem. Lots of res...

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Great news Steve! Since you are doing it officially I have added your name above.

I will come back to everybody with more details of each task. The idea is having many persons doing small tasks. That way everybody will do their work well and get more motivated. Instead of the other way around.

Hans Koraeus

<center> http://www.slalomranking.com Oct 31 - 2007 </center> October 31 ranking is up. There are some Basic and Plain events still missing due to time constraints. But all the main events are up. And by that the final ranking for 2007 have taken form. This is very much how the final ranking will lo...

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There are som discussion going on here concerning 2008 season.

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/phpBB ... php?t=5410

Hans Koraeus

The October 31 ranking is up since this morning (European time). Being a woman your points always goes to a women result list. Same for junior classes. Exception are for Pro class that only counts for itself as is. So if you compete in a normal open class you get open points for the men ranking as w...

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The idea with the statuses is not just to confirm to a specific set of points. It is to have the most promising events each year having the best statuses. You can't compare an event between regions beacuse they set their own standards from the condition of their own slalom scene in their respective ...

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What is a dsicipline? The distance or the feel? None of the definitions are wrong but we had that discussion in 2003 and we came to the conclusion to use distance since that is something you can measure in rules/guidelines. From that I constructed the discipline table from the distance discussion (s...

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If we want World Records that are worth anything we need some rules and some organisation to back them up.

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All of these things can be available as simple and free pdf downloads on the website. This way the organizer can print them as needed. Yes that is the second best alternative. But it does not make sure the result is good enough. You need to find a good way to attach them so they don't fall apart. T...

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My comment was for the case that a DQ is a real DQ. Not a time adding thing. If there is a time penalty for DQ then of course you will need the 2:nd run.

Hans Koraeus

Seems there is an endless need for reminding of the 100 cone rules: 100 cone rules ver 1.3 ------------------------------------------- 1. Course 100 straight "full sized" cones, timed from the middle of first cone to the middle of the last cone. 2. Cone penalty Cone penalty 0.1 sek for each "cone hi...

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About cones as separator: 10:20 + 2 cones = 10:40 10:40 + 0 cones = 10:40 The one with 0 cones have advantage over the one with 2 cones. They have the same time though. About using DQ at start I think I evolved in another place as well. I don't think it should be forbidden. Not everyone has a timer ...

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I agree also to skip 2:nd run in case of a DQ in one of the corses. It saves time. And even though I agree with Ramòn it often ends up with a very lame situation where the racer who did not DQ knows that if he only manage to run through the course he wins. And often that is exactly what he does and ...

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I think we know pretty well how we want it. But we need professional people knowing how to create a good event in general. Mostly slalom events are just done by people who knows how to create a slalom race event. For doing the other layer around the actual race you need more budget, more people, mor...

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Conejudging is a big problem. That is why I wanted to help the organizers with this. Not making it more difficult. If they want to do it in some other way it is ok. But let them get the info about how it works well. And giving organizers the cone judge panels would be a great help for any race organ...

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Why not use the "almost ISSA World Record rules" See the cone penalty section. For you who have been on this forum for a while might remember the good old cone discussion we once had many years ago. I think these cone measurements took into account several different cone types that we knew of at tha...

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Those records will not do Martin

Once ISSA decides which numbers we should stick to the others does not mean a thing.

I think 30, 50, 100 cones would be enough. Hmm, maybe an 80 cones also...

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I would like to see a more detailed spec of what we demand of an event depending on status. For example I think Major/Main events should be forced to have cone judges and a head cone judge. We also have a very good documentation of how conejudging should work with panels they show with a number of h...

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Well here we go again. Let's have a look here from January 2003 for some background. http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=469 Or just read this... There are 5 slalom disciplines: Super Tight Slalom Tight Slalom Hybrid Slalom Giant Slalom Super Giant Slalom They can be run straight...

Hans Koraeus

I did not understand this:

"At least one lean-to-steer mechanism attaching the wheels to the deck"

Does it mean it's ok with one truck?

Hans Koraeus

5.1 START OF RUN I think there are two ways of handling fals starts 1. With time penalty 2. With restart. 2:nd False start is DQ. The second solution is good when not having timing equipment to give you fals start timing. 5.4 DISQUALIFICATIONS I don't think there should be a fixed rule to say that ...

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10.4. OVERALL WINNER There have been many variations of how to calculate overall results and it would be good to have a fixed way of doing it. But I would prefer another way of calculating it. I think there should be a point advantage when winning. Now the proposal is 1:st 1 point 2:nd 2 point 3:rd...

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6.1 CALCULATING THE RESULTING TIME I think there are two ways to treat fals starts. Either by start penalty or by DQ. One version counts Start penalty. And in the DQ case there are no start penalties. 6.2 PENALTY FOR DISQUALIFICATIONS A DQ could be a time penalty. 10% of a certain time or fixed bef...

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Here is a topic from the good old days trying to set up official 100 cone rules so that we could have official World Record attempts. http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=312&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100 It seems like the last version with the latest ideas with the current ...

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www.slalomranking.com is a php based site with a mySQL database. There is a system set up for adding "posts" that I use. There has been no development on the programming side since years back. I have tried to use the possibilities already there as well as possible. And it does work. The system Danie...

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I agree. That's why I asked for any other volunteers. But if nobody are interested we are forced to keep what we have. That group must exist to make the current system work.

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It's not black magic... it just takes a lot of all of ours precious time and energy.

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Funny enough, I would NOT like to see a calendar of all types of events including downhill, rollerskating or whatever. I want to see an ISSA calendar just containing ISSA sanctioned events. That should be the goal of ISSA. Then we could of course share that info with others if they would be interest...

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Since there has been no interest from anybody I thought this was ok. If you want to shift your place with someone else on the board that is ok. I had the same thought as you. That is why maybe it is enough with one BOD in this group and let other ISSA members help out as well.

Hans Koraeus

And there's no one single out there...

And by the way. How did a Roller skating association manage to hack our forum to become a site sponsor?

October site costs paid by CDRS 75 - Comité Departemental de Roller Skating Paris

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He, he. :-) Sorry for that. I just think it's such an honor doing this so we should at least give 12 "persons" the opportunity. Or why not have 2 "persons" per month? Also I think the forum sponsoring should be personal ones. Not brands or associations. Brands and associations are better suited for ...

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Well this was easy then. Ranking Marshalls for 2008 stays the same as for 2007 unless someone of the current persons declines.

Oh, I forgot. Vincent Berruchon takes my place in the East Atlantic Marshall group (Europe, Russia, Asia, Australia)

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For next year (2009) nobody should be able to take more than 1 month. And I think a good idea is to make the highest bid win.

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Vincent, I agree.

So you take over my BOD position in the 3-man strong European Marshall group to handle the statuses for 2008? Am I right? These 3 person will decide in the end. With input from everybody of course but still...

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See new topic about nominations for ranking marshalls 2008...

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/phpBB ... php?t=5379

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