Summer Outlaw Series

Jack Nagle · Post by **Jack Nagle** » Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:08 pm

oh yeah, and this is in the actual park, right?[/i]

Jack Nagle · Post by **Jack Nagle** » Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:05 pm

So, how hard will this be. Harder than a 2? ill just watch.

Wesley Tucker · Post by **Wesley Tucker** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:13 pm

JD,

If a board's that big, why don't you just lay on it?

John Dillon · Post by **John Dillon** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:26 pm

w/36"wheelbase minimum.....let's just start our own race, Danny! Well, since I'm on crutches for awhile....I won't be able to race for awhile.

Kevin M. Gamble · Post by **Kevin M. Gamble** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:41 pm

Jack,

I think we should allow both types. If we're doing single lane jam format, just run 'em all, and sort out the GS vs LS into two groups at the end.

If we would do this, it then becomes important to specify AND ADHERE TO a strict axle-axle dimension to define a longboard (over 30" was the old criteria). This was a problem in the past; rules were bent, which eventually lead to the axle-axle rule being eliminated since it wasn't being enforced.

Jack Quarantillo · Post by **Jack Quarantillo** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:48 am

Danny,
I fully understand what you're saying.

At one of the races this summer, I warmed up on "the dresser" which is huge... 36" between truck holes, equipped with Indy 215s and Gumballs.

I raced on my Bozi GS, which is just under 30" axle to axle, equipped with 130 Seismics and Avalons.

Needless to say the latter is more of a Slalom board.

I think we should allow both types. If we're doing single lane jam format, just run 'em all, and sort out the GS vs LS into two groups at the end.

If we do head to head, I thing there should be different brackets, but could probably use the same course.

Q

Danny Crawford · Post by **Danny Crawford** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:09 am

Maybe we can have an extra long class for the LB slalom since there's some boards that are basically bigger slalom boards and rip through it very fast. So if we just have another group for larger wheel bases eliminating all those boards making it a lot more longboardish and less slalomish.

I don't think that made any sense...

Anybody understand what I'm trying to say?

Jeff Boswell · Post by **Jeff Boswell** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:58 am

It looks like I need to practice practice prictice

Dan Mitchell · Post by **Dan Mitchell** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:51 am

How 'bout free beer to the top 5......no wait....... top 10..........
no wait.......top 15??!!.......OK, free beer for me, and anyone who
finishes above me

Brian buys!!

Vlad Popov · Post by **Vlad Popov** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:16 pm

These are my own thoughts, not borrowed from anyone:

Backstops or no backstops, doesn't matter to me.

I think that rain dates are a no-brainer; always set a rain date. Racing on wet surfaces is stupid.

As far as courses, I like the longboard "run what ya brung" style courses, and the technical courses, too. I vote for keeping both.

Kevin M. Gamble · Post by **Kevin M. Gamble** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:02 am

Backstops or no backstops, doesn't matter to me. I think a racer should be able to deal with whatever starting format the organizer decides to implement. The ramps at the Farm had backstops, only mahogany instead of neoprene.

I think that rain dates are a no-brainer; always set a rain date. Your chances of getting in a dry event improve dramatically. If you get rained out both days, at least you tried to have a backup plan rather than cancelling. Racing on wet surfaces is stupid. Serenity now..................

I would like to see double eliminations instead of singles. If you only race against your opponent once per round instead of twice, it doesn't take any longer to run the event compared to single eliminations with 1 run in each lane per round. One minor issue is deciding lane choice, and qualifying times can be used for this. Also, the tabulations are easier and go much quicker; basically the winner advances, and the loser moves to the losers bracket. We used this at one of the Gaithersburg Open events, and it worked well.

As far as courses, I like the longboard/"run what ya brung" style courses, and the technical courses, too. I vote for keeping both. Dual lanes are much more fun than single lane events.

Joe Iacovelli · Post by **Joe Iacovelli** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:18 pm

Brian Parsons wrote:

I would also like to propose that some of the DC area guys go up to some of Noahs spots in New Jersey and invite the New York,New Jersey, Penn and CT crowd and have a race in their hood. Let me know if there is a good weekend that would work for this.

The CT crowd is in. We'd like to have more than one CT race in 05. We need to trailer the ramps and need a timer, but those are mear details.

I'd also like to propose we offer bed and breakfast to out of town racers on a reciprocal basis. We all spend plenty of money, let's do what we can for each other.

Joe Iacovelli
Team Less Travel More Race

Joe Iacovelli · Post by **Joe Iacovelli** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:56 pm

LBK,

Any flat slalom this year?

Yer pal Joe,
Team Hop Head Start

Andy Bittner · Post by **Andy Bittner** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:16 pm

aaaahhhh, LBK.... the Minister of Misinformation. I can crow hop with backstops, I can't crow hop with a small(er) box drawn around my ground foot. Keep the large starting box with backstops.

David Riordon · Post by **David Riordon** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:35 am

Do away with the back stops! Instead use a box that your pushing off foot has to stay in. I think that would help simplify the starts. Also, it would be cool to see people like GBJ and Wesly Tucker do that crow hop start thingy.

By the way Tentative Vintage Day and Longboard Day is in November. Here is the info.

5th Annual Vintage Skateboard and Longboard Skateboard Day

When:
Saturday, November 06 2004 @ 10:00 AM EST - 10:00 PM EST

Where:
Vans Skatepark
Potomac Mills Mall
2700 Potomic Mills Cir., Ste. 202
Woodbridge, VA 22192

Description:
In the planning stages but people will be displaying vintage skateboard gear, Cabbage will defend his Bank Slalom title, and we might do some silent auctions on a couple of collector items. Keep an eye on http://dcsurfrider.org/calendar.php for more info. to come.

Wes Eastridge · Post by **Wes Eastridge** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:16 am

“Sideshow” courses have always been encouraged (and often set/run) during outlaw races at the G-P&R. It’s always nice to have a course that people can “stay warm” on between duals or to practice on after being eliminated. You don’t need to prevent people from parking there though. Just chalk the course (which is not a bad idea anyway).

Danny Crawford · Post by **Danny Crawford** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:34 am

I think the other lane would just be something to have fun on not have to be timed.

Wesley Tucker · Post by **Wesley Tucker** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:17 am

Jack and Seth,

I set and chalked that wiggle-wonger at the Gathering. If you like the idea, then just DO IT. There's nothing really to discuss. Just maybe get there early and cone off that lane so no one parks up that row. Not like there's not enough parking around that place.

The only problem, though, is timing. It's fun to set a course to rip and practice on, but racing is another matter. As far as I know Brian has the only timing system in DC and it goes on the big course. So just figure out what you want to accomplish in the "short lane" and do it.

Jack Quarantillo · Post by **Jack Quarantillo** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:49 am

I like the "sideshow" idea in the middle lane. There was a nice little course (or two!) set up there when they were running Ohm's course on TG4 eve. The middle lane should be used to complement whatever is happening on the main stage. During LB/GS make it tighter in the sideshow. When the main lanes are running HS/TS, set a wider course in the middle lane.

Q

Seth Levy · Post by **Seth Levy** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:04 am

ok... i like what we are doing but we need to have two courses setup at once. the dual lb is sick, but we should also have a ts course in the middle parking row setup. and i need help running the bankslalom i want to do. october is coming up and i want to be able to fit it into the slalom schedule.

Jack Quarantillo · Post by **Jack Quarantillo** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:33 pm

LB thoughts...
It seems to me that the Longboard race is the common newbie entry point, and should be continued. (I think I'm still at that newbie point.) The "run what you brung" seemed to re-infuse the fun. I did enjoy the head-to-head dual longboard race, but would discourage future double-elims for the LB. If the "run what you brung" evolves to a double-triple pump fest then maybe split into two classes by wheelbase, but run the same course. Or maybe ridiculous cone penalties.

HS thoughts...
I don't have many suggestions here. As a relative newbie, I sometimes cannot run the HS courses, but do not feel that the courses should be simplified to the point of boredom for the more experienced racers. I like it when we have a course that most can race, and the experienced racers can RACE.

Thoughts on time...
Feel free to negate my vote on this issue, as I live 5 miles from the P&R, but I think the 10 AM LB, followed by noonish HS works well.

Them's my thoughts!

Q

Wesley Tucker · Post by **Wesley Tucker** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:52 pm

I dislike goddamned silly rubber backstops that limit my crow hop. Whoever dreamed up that shit should have his balls put in a blender and forced to listen to the rhythm of a frisky puree'!

But, I love you, Man! :-P

By the way, I just scanned through the posts and I did not know I missed a race August 14. I was still an inpatient and had no clue y'all planned and held a race. Oh, well. So I missed two races: an Outlaw event and Da' Farm. Just more impetus to continue on my road to recovery.

Oh, Brian, just to let you know, you MISSED IT DUDE in Jaw Ja! It's just not a total East Coast experience without your cheery smile!

See 'ya soon, dude.

Brian Parsons · Post by **Brian Parsons** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:30 pm

Another thing.

To get back some of the stoke we may have lost over the summer. Let me hear some input as to how to make the races better. What do you guys like, what do you dislike.

Starting rules
Courses
Longboard/short board/any board
Rain dates
Is 10am to early to start?

It seems like the last few races everyone has really liked the wide open longbaord courses and really disliked the technical courses.

The idea is to get back some of those 20+ racer events where everyone is satisfied.

How wide open should the longboard be

How tight should the technical courses be.

I would also like to propose that some of the DC area guys go up to some of Noahs spots in New Jersey and invite the New York,New Jersey, Penn and CT crowd and have a race in their hood. Let me know if there is a good weekend that would work for this.

Brian Parsons · Post by **Brian Parsons** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:25 pm

Sorry guys for being MIA for the last few weeks. Due to other obligations I cannot host a race in September. However I would like to propose the following dates for the……

DC Winter Outlaw Series

October 2nd – Park and Ride
October 30th – Banked Slalom at Landsdown
November 13th - Park and Ride
December 4th - Park and Ride
December 11th – Park and Ride/Rain Date
December 18th – Park and Ride/Rain Date

Please comment on this schedule.

Guys I am really sorry about being out of the loop lately. As most of you know if you want to have a race/practice session and need the timer just call me. It is available whenever anyone needs it.

I will be in the Outer Banks for the next two weekends. If anyone wants to come down and go surfing drop me a line.

Jack Quarantillo · Post by **Jack Quarantillo** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:33 am

I heard "IT" went to 11.

Q

Rene Hayden · Post by **Rene Hayden** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:27 am

i think he meant

YOU MISSED "IT"

you know.... "it."

like, none more "it"

Rene.

Seth Levy · Post by **Seth Levy** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:50 am

Jeff Boswell wrote:I don't know about any races this month.

To all of the DC Outlaws that Didn't make the Georgia race, YOU MISSED IT.

Jeff

well that is quite obvious now isnt it.

Jeff Boswell · Post by **Jeff Boswell** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:38 am

I don't know about any races this month.

To all of the DC Outlaws that Didn't make the Georgia race, YOU MISSED IT.

Jeff

Rene Hayden · Post by **Rene Hayden** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:09 pm

Hey, what about the races, people?

Is there an outlaw event this month?

Is there any slalom this month?

Rene

Danny Crawford · Post by **Danny Crawford** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:51 pm

Yeah, I don't think I was able to make any races this summer. For some reason my schedule is more open during the school year.

Aaron Morris · Post by **Aaron Morris** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:17 pm

Brian,
Is there going to be any Outlaw races this month? I'm looking forward to racing in DC again. I didn't see any scheduled, so I figure I'd ask.
-Aaron

Nino Almazon · Post by **Nino Almazon** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:10 pm

i'm down... where's the spot? would it be close to the metro, cuz that would be nice coming off work. if its not too far, i'll see if i can make it.

again i won't be able make till about 5:45 or 6. if you guys will still be out there then, i'll show up. thanks!

Wes Eastridge · Post by **Wes Eastridge** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:45 pm

Nino, the part of Van Dorn we are riding is in the Franconia/Alexandria area of VA. It’s just about too fast and scary, and with too much large-truck traffic, to be used as a slalom spot. Most of the time we go there just to bomb it. If you still want to join in on a session, let us know you are interested and we will send you a PM.

Nino Almazon · Post by **Nino Almazon** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:19 pm

i wished i could have made it this weekend, still haven't been to a been able to make a DC race yet. i will though, soon enough! hope y'all had fun!

but where in Van Dorn do you guys usually meet? i live near the Landmark Mall, so Van Dorn Street is a hop, skip, and wiggle away...

i don't get off work till 5 PM, and i work in DC... just wondering, but how long will you guys be sessioning till?

Dan Mitchell · Post by **Dan Mitchell** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:14 am

Ya know, when you watch Brian skate, he doesn't LOOK like he would be as fast as he is, but that boy (I can say boy, 'cause I'm older than him) freakin' rips!!
Also, he was putting on races when the FCR series was still in the planning stages.

Curt Kimbel said at the time something like "Everyone else is just talking, you're the only one actually putting on races".

And you will not meet a nicer dude than him at any slalom race in the country. Or world, for that matter.

One more time, Bro.....

If I never race anywhere but DC the rest of my life, it will
STILL be more (and better) than I ever could have imagined

Thanks, Brian

Andy Bittner · Post by **Andy Bittner** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:46 pm

Amazing, isn't it Martin? Brian Parsons... the incredible shrinking man. I think I saw his gut on a milk carton. He's a partially missing person. I wonder with whom one would file a partially-missing person report?

Jack Quarantillo · Post by **Jack Quarantillo** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:45 pm

Yup, that's BP!
Q

Martin Drayton · Post by **Martin Drayton** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:31 pm

I thought I recognised the face of the person standing next to Vlad...Is that Brian Parsons? I heard that he had lost weight, but damn, he looks like he lost the equivalent weight of a Backstreet Boy!
Well done Brian if it is you......Hope that doesn't make you too much faster for Morro!

Anthony Smallwood · Post by **Anthony Smallwood** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:12 am

Glad to see you guys got a race in before the rain hit. I'm out of the loop because I don't recognize anyone in the photos except KG, BP and PA Dan.
Gotta keep the fresh blood flowing.
We are having a Van Dorn session tomorrow sometime around 2pm.
Ben Ashworth of ECRW fame is coming out along with a few other gnarly pool guys so it should be a rad session.
COME AND GET SOME

If not, head to the shore where it's supposed to be 6-8ft and pumping.

DO SOMETHING!

Vlad Popov · Post by **Vlad Popov** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:16 am

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Wes Eastridge · Post by **Wes Eastridge** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:21 am

(Seth, don't be a wise-acre).

So, how did the race today go? Did rain force you to end early? Who won?

Sorry I couldn’t be there. I really wanted to, but had to recover from the food poisoning that struck me last night.

I may be up for some slalom tomorrow and/or some Oakwood afterward.

Seth Levy · Post by **Seth Levy** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:57 pm

wow you must live close to the park and ride! its 8:57 now!

Jack Nagle · Post by **Jack Nagle** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:55 pm

9 in the a.m. still dry.

Andy Bittner · Post by **Andy Bittner** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:39 pm

For all of that... I have to work today anyway. However, for what it's worth to the rest of you, it is currently dry in Gaithersburg. 6:40 a.m.

Wes Eastridge · Post by **Wes Eastridge** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 5:03 am

UTC = Eastern Daylight time + 4 hours.

Anthony Smallwood · Post by **Anthony Smallwood** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 4:11 am

There's always the Van's Park. That's where I'll be.

Anyone know anything about that stand-up barrel that forms in the Potomac when the waters get to a certain level??
Kayakers have told me about it but I've never seen it.

lbk probably has it dialed. What's up?

Wes Eastridge · Post by **Wes Eastridge** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:08 am

Saturday: Periods of rain, mainly after 1pm. Chance of precipitation is 100%

I hereby resign from the office of Da Weather Man, effective immediately.

AnthonyF, that's too bad, but it's not looking real great tomorrow anyway.

Anthony Flis · Post by **Anthony Flis** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:10 am

There wont be any nova bombers at tomorrows race guys....Danny is in arizona and i have to go to baltimore for a funeral....Im especially bumbed because i set up my sector 9 good so its like a step below what franks is and depending on who was there i could almost gaurentee a podium in the gs...so whens the fall/winter series start? Because of marching band I have no more summer and wont be able to skate nearly as much as id like to and will have a competition every saturday for like a month and a half or so, so im a little sad but at least i get to play drums and i hope to see you guys at a session sometime soon....if i knew how to make a sad face itd be here....

Dan Mitchell · Post by **Dan Mitchell** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:08 am

Uh Oh....
Weather.com forcast as of 8 PM....

Rain starting by noon

I'll be logging on here around 6:30-7:00 so any early birds please post if it looks doubtful.

Thanks,
Dan

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