DC Winter Outlaw Series

Kevin M. Gamble · Post by **Kevin M. Gamble** » Tue Dec 17, 2002 12:57 pm

Dave,
1. As far as the longboard length spec, 30" minimum axle to axle is good. Manufacturers are specifically building to this spec already, so I think that it would be a bad idea to change the spec again.

6. I agree with UR13, that being ready to race when it is your turn would speed things up considerably. A time limit to be "in the box" could be instituted. If you're not ready to race, you forfeit your run. I think this rule would only need to be enforced a couple of times before the consistently guilty parties would "get the message".

All of the attempts (that I have observed) to incorporate computers have created more problems than they have solved. KISS. On the other hand, I believe that communications could greatly benefit from tech. More radios for timers, record keepers, and cone marshals would help to eliminate a LOT of confusion and wasted time between runs. Especially at locations such as the P&R where traffic noise is a problem.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:33 pm

LBK...

1). I think the 30" axle to axle is a good starting point for longboards. Most of what people are calling longboards now-a-days are hybrid boards at best and things like the pocket pistol 36" or 42" are more slalom (SGS) boards than longboards....eitherway I don't race longboards (yet)...so that is my 2cents

2). Head to head longboard racing...well if the P&R can support it why not but I think youa re pushing it.

3). LBK...that rubber thing of yours is sketchy. I have seen the cambria video and talked to one or two people about it....anything like that (rubber) is sketchy. Not only is it distracting but it can get caught up in ones wheels at the start. Not good. I see no problem with the way it is done now. Maybe the add a second starter whose job is to watch the line and make sure no one jumps...

4). no comment

5). I like this rookie class. But also it is good for rookies to race the top guys in the series. I learned a ton racing Kimbal last winter...you see how it helped me in the summer series.

6). The biggest thing that would move the racers along faste ris HAVING PEOPLE READY IN THE PIT for their runs. No calling people from their cars, none of that....if you are coneheading your way up the hill make sure you get to the top before your runs!!!!!!!! Trying to find people for their runs has been the main problem in slowing down the races.

7). I don't understand this...but then again I am not a prize person either.....

Also...I'm with Ohm. The 21st is doable for me but will be a pain in the ass. I just assume scratch this race all together and go to the next one (and/or make it up in feb or march when the weather is better) or postpone it to January?

Noah...save me a seat for next weekend, if it happens I'll be there. My knee is feeling much better recently.

Michel Temoche · Post by **Michel Temoche** » Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:02 pm

Hey I found the party! In response to LBK's post, how about a B-Class and a middle of the pack promotion relegation to determine which class the middle riders will race in. This way middle-aged middle of the pack guys could get more runs

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Haven't skated since WV but I tested my timer and it's up and running. I also have an old laptop up and running, the sun is coming out, no gas to drive to VA today but I'm up for some P&R mañana.

Ciao

David Riordon · Post by **David Riordon** » Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:17 am

Since the cold weather has got the DC Outlaw Race on hold, can we HEAT THINGS UP by discussing a few topics?

1. What defines a longboard for longboard slalom? Brian what are the size rules this series? Keep in mind that there are some high-tech hybrid longboards out there now but are they really longboards or just “GS boards” the racers are trying to pawn off as longboards?

2. How about head-to-head longboard slalom racing? I would love to see the Team Known guys going head to head. Me & Steeb got things to settle.

3. Any thought on the start process for head-to-head racing? I still like the idea of using a rubber band like Jack did at his Cambria Race. Ur13, look at the video of that race because I would like to see your comments. Or does everyone want to let me keep on getting away with cheating on my starts?

4. Spec class racing update.

5. How about a "Rookie" class for all ages where you decide when it is time to graduate on out. That way the new inexperienced racers get more than just two qualifying runs and cone duty. The Rookie races could be seeded randomly in their own race just so it could be anybody winning the Rookie race that day.

6. How to move things along faster at the races? Use computers? Assign permanent random bib numbers? Post a sheet of written rules at the race location.

7. How about giving away a donated prize each race via a “rally slalom” during practice? Closest time to a set moderate to slow time wins the prize? Anything could be given out as a prize such as T-shirts, second equipment, slightly used equipment, etc.

DC Crew, let the debates begin!

Mike Ohm · Post by **Mike Ohm** » Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:31 am

Mr Parsons Sir. Being that the holidays are near, I will be traveling the weekend of the 21st. Can you solicit a census of racers that will participate that weekend. Since the Outlaw races are points driven I am asking for a possible re-consideration of that date.

Sincerely,

Mike Ohm

Brian Parsons · Post by **Brian Parsons** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:31 pm

Yes, #2 is scheduled for next Saturday the 21st.

Noah Heinle · Post by **Noah Heinle** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:22 pm

So is #2 tentatively scheduled for next week...the 21st?

Brian Parsons · Post by **Brian Parsons** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 3:56 pm

The forecast is for 80% rain today and 60% rain tomorrow morning. So it looks like another postponement of the #2 winter series race. Unfortunately several guys have other obligations that would prevent them from making a Sunday race. If enough of you guys want to race on Sunday let me know. I know that at least half of the guys will not be able to make it. Some are snow boarding, family obligation etc.

However if it is dry on Sunday and you guys who want to have a race that is not a point’s race I will be there to lay it down. I am sure that with all of the rain the snowboarding this weekend will also be a bust.

If anyone who is lurking on this board who wants to get into slalom racing. Show up at one of the races and see what it is all about.

Directions: 270N to exit 10 (Clopper Rd). Goto 2nd traffic light turn right onto Quince Orchard Rd, goto 2nd traffic light and turn right into the P&R lot. We will be in the upper right corner.

Cabbage · Post by **Cabbage** » Mon Dec 09, 2002 10:44 pm

Hello my DC family.....well I'm here, I made it....my second post...see I'm shooting for a little photo....stoked to find you all, I've been out in left field, look'n for the ball...But now I'm home...I wish we had a B-More board...anyway the second of many post from me....lets see how long it takes for me to get into it with a kook....Just play'n positive vibrations.....
Hey how was the DC outlaw winter party series#1...? You didn't set up a ts course in BP's did ya????

Cabbage

Andy Bittner · Post by **Andy Bittner** » Sun Dec 08, 2002 7:03 pm

To my considerable amazement, I am very happy to report that it looks like the Park and Ride will be ready for racing next weekend. That is, barring any further winter weather. The race side of the lot is almost ready today, and the drainage from the snow piles finds its' way quickly to the gutter. The 100-cone side is going to be considerably more of a problem.

Andy Bittner · Post by **Andy Bittner** » Sat Dec 07, 2002 12:41 am

Yeah... I'm a little tardy getting back to you with the current ski conditions at the Park and Race, but I can assure you there's going to be no slalom skateboarding in that parking lot tomorrow. Frankly, everybody should be keeping there eyes open for any reasonable alternative. I will check the plow pattern they followed at the Park and Ride, but if they pushed much of it up to and off of the top of the lot, we're likely to be screwed for a while, melt-wise. I saw plowed piles of snow around parking lots that were between 10-15' tall. Right now, given the condition of the road outside of my home, I'd be stunned if the Park and Ride could even support a race NEXT week.

Wesley Tucker · Post by **Wesley Tucker** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 10:30 pm

See y'all on the 14th . . . of APRIL!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 10:18 pm

see ya'll on da 14th

Haggy Strom · Post by **Haggy Strom** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 10:10 pm

Bummer about the weather. i was looking forward to riding a slalom course again, it's been a while...
Don't think i can make it next weekend. I'll catch you all in the new year! i'm bringing my board and some cones back to norway for christmas, introduce some norskies to the joys of slalom!
peace,
haggy

Noah Heinle · Post by **Noah Heinle** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 7:35 pm

Cool. See you guys on the 14th.

Brian Parsons · Post by **Brian Parsons** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 7:32 pm

Yea, it is looking bad for a race tomorrow. We have two options.

1. Shovel the lot and race on the ice and snow pack.

2. Postpone until next weekend.

I have some new Avalons equiped with 1 inch spikes. So I am ready to race. But since everyone else would consider this an unfair advantage it is best to postpone the race until December 14th.

However if anyone wants to do a renegade session in a parking garage on Saturday I will be there.

Snowboarding Sunday with LBK and John D.

Vlad Popov · Post by **Vlad Popov** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 5:55 pm

Guys and Ilva-Dear,
it is very unlikely that we’re skating tomorrow. Most parking lots around here are a mess.
I can’t speak for the P&R, but similar lots around Langley and Burke are nothing but ice. And if there is no ice, it’s nothing but salt and sand.

Hopefully our administration will join soon and light the light (or whatever).

Wesley Tucker · Post by **Wesley Tucker** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 4:58 pm

Well, I won't be there (he says once again,) but here's my suggestion: perchance Mr. Bittner could ride by the P&R around sundown and give an update?

I'm assuming the problem is if melting snow around the asphalt will cause run off that will keep everything wet? Maybe Andy could take a look tonight and give an opinion of whether or not tomorrow will be decent?

Noah Heinle · Post by **Noah Heinle** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 3:53 pm

What are you guys thinking for tomorrow? There will be sun and it won't be too cold, but with the lot be dry? Postpone?

Bob Frias · Post by **Bob Frias** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 4:25 am

Have a great time partying my bro's. I'll be there in spirit.

I'm gonna get a skin head one day just to avoid the hair jokes.

Yeah... as if....

Vlad Popov · Post by **Vlad Popov** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 11:23 pm

Where is Riordon? Dave Riordon? The very groovy Kook? Somebody draggim here or something. We’ve got to discuss our Virtual Slalom Deal at the Vans. I can bring a broom tomorrow and test the waters. Brian, can you bring the timer just in case?
We really need Dave to negotiate with the Vans Administration though. The sooner-the faster.
Slalom party? With Warsteiner? Ja! I’m Zooooh Zee-ah! Most Fridays before the race....no comment...it’s really foggy.

Brian Parsons · Post by **Brian Parsons** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 10:57 pm

DC Winter Outlaw Series Pre-Party.

Im having a party at my place Friday Night the 6th. I want everyone to come out and get all worked up for the race that may or may not happen on Saturday.

Don't bring anything. I have all of the necessary refreshments.

Big portable halfpipe for the backyard. Redskins cheerleaders are offering massages for those that need a little workout before slalom racing. We will also have the 100 cone course set up in the street in front of my house. Slappy will be spinning Bobo's new CD, "Hair, it's not just for breakfast anymore". WesE will be modeling the latest in water storage devices. LBK will be....Well, he's a kook so you never know what he will be doing.

It will be a blast. Hope everyone can make it. Email me for directions.

Brian Parsons · Post by **Brian Parsons** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 10:40 pm

Well, the weather has taken a turn for the worst. I will keep everyone posted on this forum and the Events Forum of NCDSA on the status of the local weather.

I'll be at Vans on Thursday. Weather permitting. Got some new Bahne boards and wheels to try out.

Wes Eastridge · Post by **Wes Eastridge** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:05 pm

On 2002-12-04 12:41, slappy maxwell wrote:
Snow tonight?
Anyone for a Thursday night Vans session?

Ja, Slappy. I vill be at der 9-11 session if der shno ist not prohibiting me.

Vlad Popov · Post by **Vlad Popov** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 6:51 pm

We really should. Whitetail Saturday if snow sticks?

Ohm, your pads are safe. Victoria hates the smell, but likes the shape. I also have Bozi's chair that I intend to action off soon if I forget to bring it to the race again.
Somebody bring a case of Warsteiner to Vans on Thursday. I ran out again.

Slappy Maxwell · Post by **Slappy Maxwell** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 6:41 pm

Snow tonight?
Anyone for a Thursday night Vans session?

Mike Ohm · Post by **Mike Ohm** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 2:19 am

Vladislav, DC is in the House! Bring my Knee Pads please.

Vlad Popov · Post by **Vlad Popov** » Tue Dec 03, 2002 5:21 pm

Wes,
good point, I’ll bring a broom.
Chris,
depends on the slope and space. I hope 6 ft cones will fit. 1.7 m is 5.6 ft. The difference will be only 10 yards. We might go with 5.5, and shave another yard off if needed. We’ll see. I’ll be there by 10.
Vlad.

Wesley Tucker · Post by **Wesley Tucker** » Tue Dec 03, 2002 3:04 pm

I won't be there, but I will throw this out. When Vlad and I were running straight cones on that side of the parking lot in July, it was filthy! About a third of the way down it was covered in broken glass, pebbles, sand, etc. Seems that lane isn't tended to quite as much as the traditional side.

Unless something has changed dramatically in the past four months, I might suggest that someone bring a gas-powered blower. I have a feeling, though, that with the rain and weather this fall, more debris and trash has washed down on to that side of the lot off that embankment.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Dec 03, 2002 5:51 am

Vlad...I like the idea though I think you may have to bump the cone distance down to 1.7meters to give room for a start and run out....

If Noah and I get there early enough I'll help you mark it.

(ur13)

Vlad Popov · Post by **Vlad Popov** » Tue Dec 03, 2002 5:08 am

Brian,
in addition to what’s cooking I’m going to try to set up (mark) a 100-cone course on the left side of the Park and Ride in the morning. Cones might wait till the last moment, so that we don’t attract attention more then usual. I propose a couple of practice runs and two timed runs for each interested participant. It’s safe to assume that most people would prefer to try it after the main race. Mitch said he’d test and bring his timer.
What do you think?
Vlad.

Brian Parsons · Post by **Brian Parsons** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 9:04 pm

The weather looks good for the 2nd race of the DC Winter Outlaw Series this Saturday, December 7th.

The race location is the Park and Ride lot in Gaithersburg MD.

Longboard practice will start at 10am and racing will start at 10:30.
Traditional slalom practice will start at 12pm and racing at 1pm.
Spec class racing will start immediately after the traditional slalom.

No entry fee. Skate at your own risk.

Courses will be hybrid and easy enough for all ability levels. Everyone is welcome.

Directions to P&R:
Go north on 270 to exit 10 (Clopper Road). Turn right at second traffic light onto Quince Orchard rd. Go to 2nd traffic light and turn right into the P&R lot. We will be in the upper left corner.

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