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Post by Adam Trahan » Sat Dec 28, 2002 4:50 pm

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Not that I want to promote driving fast, I don't, but I do enjoy it when the conditions are favorable.

In this off topic post, I present a dash image.

It is interesting to note that some cars have an "electronic speed limiter" New Honda's clip you at 110.

In this Passat, if there was a limiter, it was above 130.

Anyone else?

:grin:

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Post by Simon Levene » Sun Dec 29, 2002 1:18 am

Hey Adam!

I've got a picture of my car speedo at around 165 somewhere (limited had been remapped). I'll try and dig it out.

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Post by Adam Trahan » Sun Dec 29, 2002 2:33 am

Unreal Simon!

Living life, I'm afraid of not living life, but I am definately afraid of dying driving into a horible death.

That is REALLY fast!

Autobahn fast.

Here in the states, there are roads that you can legally go 75 but that is it. Safe they are for faster, but limit speed is that, and in America, this is that, computer chip stat.

...but the Passat run I too will remember till my dying day.

We all do it, don't.

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Post by Simon Levene » Sun Dec 29, 2002 12:53 pm

Yeah! Autobahns are a beautiful thing. Not as many unlimited roads left as there used to be.

My current car is limited to 155 which is pretty standard these days. 155 or 165 doesn't really matter. It's not all that interesting. Fun if you're in a rush. The 155 limit is a euro government guideline and not law. It's pretty easy to remap the limiter which does nothing to the engine except allow you to exceed 155.

I once test drove a Brabus S600 Mercedes (ask Gilmour .. he'll know) in Germany with a view to buy. I was cruising at 150 just south of Cologne no prob (the car had 560 bhp), the car was just ticking over. So I put my foot down and had to back off at 310 kph (190+ mph) becuase of traffic. The Brabus was still just ticking over ... or so it felt.

Speed isn't the danger. It's traffic on your side of road pulling out into your lane.

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Post by Chris Eggers » Mon Dec 30, 2002 9:48 am

I once heard that some airbags go off when photographed with a digi cam, so that would make a great photo, Adam!

Drive safely, we need you!

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Post by Adam Trahan » Mon Dec 30, 2002 5:26 pm

Thanks Chris.

Believe it or not, I am a careful driver, the challenge is within. Every couple of years or so I get a traffic violation for speeding and end up going to traffic school to remove the points. At this point, I am a very educated driver.

:grin:

I appreciate the concern, you are not the only one who has expressed this. The older I get, the slower I go...

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Post by Hans Koraeus » Tue Dec 31, 2002 4:23 am

It's "off topic" all right. Hopefully "off forum" very soon...

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Post by Vlad Popov » Tue Dec 31, 2002 4:57 am

A couple of years ago I had a sporty Yamaha 600. It took me about 14 months to get 20 points on my driving record which had been “clean” for the previous 4 years. Out of all roads my Japanese woman loved a local racetrack where she could ride as fast as she wanted. There was a funny road sign there; it read Speed Limit “MIN 140 MPH”. And they really meant that- going any slower was dangerous. Top speed, however, was limited by a rather short straight-away, so 145-150 MPH was pretty much anyone could get out of their machines. In addition, that was a natural speed limit of my Yamaha. But the most fun wasn’t going fast, it was going fast in the curves. Quick acceleration and deceleration makes a car seem more like a farm animal in comparison.
So when somebody told me “ya know, my (this and that car model) can get to 60 in, like, 6 seconds, I used to say “so what, I used to pee in my pants when I was little”. :grin:

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Post by Vlad Popov » Sat Apr 05, 2003 6:30 am

Da ozer speed toyz. Both are for slalom. Both are faster dan a skaitbord.
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Post by Brady Mitchell » Sun Apr 06, 2003 2:46 am

Adam,
A few months back my brother took a trip to Costa Rica flying out of MIA. He lives up in West Palm and I`m just minutes from Miami.

The day before he was to leave, one of his employee`s work truck broke down so my bro had no choise but to take his BMW Z3 Roadster (not the coupe`) and he left it at my house while he went surfing.

So now I have this schweet ride sitting in my driveway and the keys, along with his permission to use it.

Well, I took it to work one morn and was going to swap it out with my truck later on. My office was right off the FLA Turnpike and my territory was close to my home. Traffic was normal in morn but on my way back home to change out the vehicles, it was non exsistant. I had a 15 mile straight stretch with 4 lanes and decided to see what she could do.

Well it didn`t take long to hit 145 and there was plenty more speed left. but that was enough for me. I let off of the gas and figured it would just idle down. This biotch just purred down to 120 amd sat there. I had to down shift and pedal the brake to bring her down.

That was the fastest I`d been in a car and though it was a rush, I have no desire to get there again.

Funny thing is I had a 911 SC and never had it over 95 the whole time I had her. Maybe because she was a little tempermental? But that Beemer just glided like glass.

(I hope Scotty doesn`t read this.. heh heh !!)



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Post by Mike Cividino » Sat May 10, 2003 10:01 pm

Ok, i know this thread is old but I forgot to post. My dad had leased one of the new turbo VW bugs. It was 180 hp and 5 speed std tranny. There is a strech of open highway near me and I like to open it up there. We got that car up to 230kph, for about 10 seconds and then I shat my pants.... pretty fast for such a little car.

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Sat May 10, 2003 10:25 pm

230kph?

What's that in American, like 60-70 mph?

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Post by Will J » Sun May 11, 2003 12:16 am

it's nice to have friends in the HWY patrol... had a friend of mine follow me with his squad car and clock me with his radar gun to check my top speed, seeing how my speedometer only goes to 120mph.. got my Camaro up to 150 before we both had to slow down b/c we were both overheating.. Oh yeah, my camaro is a '93 V6, and yes, it is MUCH faster than the V8 models, no turbocharger either... :wink: gotta love that domestic muscle.. r.i.p. camaro

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Post by Mike Cividino » Sun May 11, 2003 3:12 am

No Wes.....our speeds dont convert like our money does. Thats about 130-140 mph. So wes what has your sleezball camaro been up to?

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Sun May 11, 2003 10:30 am

I don't know. The speedometer only goes up to 150 mph. I'm sure, though, my Z goes nowhere near as fast as Will's Camaro with its high performance Briggs and Stratton powerplant.

Why, everyone knows that normally aspirated 220 hp V-6s will just kill a 315 hp V-8? Not to mention that Will more than likely has that killer 3-speed auto. Those always gets the job done better than any puny Getrag 6-speed my Z-28 could ever muster.

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Post by Will J » Sun May 11, 2003 6:54 pm

actualy, i've put 5 years of hard labor into my car.. it is naturaly aspirated.. but NOT stock, by any means.. i've got my timeslips from racing Z's and yes, winnning EVERY time.. i can't catch an SS YET, but i will.. and my car on the dyno was running over 350 horses when i was running it on the track, add that to the weight differences and a Z has no chance.. bigger is not always better, ask the guy in the honda civic(2.1L 4banger) that roasted my friends SS by 2 seconds in the quarter mile.. Granted , throw a blower and some n20 on an LS6 and there's no catching it... it's like slalom, ya gotta watch out for the lil guy, they're loony...
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Post by Wesley Tucker » Sun May 11, 2003 7:12 pm

Will J,

I never said mine was stock. I, of course, was comparing stock specs. If you want to spend $1,000s turning a V-6 into something else, then it will probably beat a stock V-8.

One other thing: don't immediately start saying Hondas can beat Chevys. That's really an unacceptable oversimplification. After all, I would be willing to bet that Kenny Bernstein in a Honda would whip Luke Perry's ass in a Chevy any day. It's as much as comparing DRIVERS as much as it is comparing cars.

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Post by Will J » Sun May 11, 2003 9:09 pm

yes, but i didn't put as much money into my 6 as it would have cost to buy an 8(did alomst all the work myself), plus i still get 30mpg on the hwy :smile: .. and i'm not sayin that every honda is fast or that Z's are slow (they definately aren't), i'm just sayin watch out for the sleepers.. btw, the guys civic was running almost 600 horses, talk about death trap, for me anyways(i wrecked my 'maro at 120 and couldn't imagine if i was in a honda)..
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Post by Wesley Tucker » Sun May 11, 2003 10:15 pm

Will J,

Just one thing I want to let you know before things get carried away: I don't race my car. The performance is there and I know what it can do, but I do not compete or attempt to out perform someone else.

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Maybe it's age talking, but I'm clever enough to know there are just too many things to go wrong. What's more, I would rather use my available cash to buy a new Turner or Ick as opposed to just give more money to GEICO. Plus on top of all that, my Z-28 takes Eagle GSCs. Event though the price has come down a little bit in the past three years, it still costs me almost $1,000 to put new rubber on my car and get it balanced and aligned. I just can't handle laying down rubber just so I can call NTW on Monday and lay out a stack of Ben Franklins for more tires.

Am I a wuss? I don't think so. Like I said, I'd rather behave myself in the car so I can buy all the neat new toys out there for slalom: Icks, Roes, Turners, PPs, Indy offsets, PVD GERTs, 3dm wheels, ceramic bearings, ROAD TRIPS TO RACES and on and on. I guess my priorities are just a lot different.

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Post by Will J » Mon May 12, 2003 12:12 am

yeah, i quit racing(only on the track, i never was a "street racer") about a yr and a half ago.. it is too expensive of a habit/vice, hahah, all my money goes to pay off my old college loans now.. i have the occasional "fast itch" but haven't had a driving violation in almost 5 yrs(my wreck was in 96). I'm actualy looking for a nice lil convertable like my old mg midget so i can put the camaro in the garage and slowly work on it, only have 15 more yrs till it's antique and might actualy be worth something :smile:
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Post by Ricky Byrd » Tue May 13, 2003 6:19 pm

I'm in on this. I own a red '94 Z28 convertible. LT1 engine purrz. It's fast enough for me.

My favorite toy (after my skates) is my 2001 Yamaha FZ-1. It's fast enough too.

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Post by Patio Mendino » Tue May 13, 2003 6:47 pm

my '73 Charger with a big block 400(with Edlebrock/Holley goodies) is for real...it goes really fast, brings home big trophies from the dragstrip and gets about 3,000 miles outta' the rear tires...
and yes, a 1,500lb Honda civic with nitrous will give it a run...
power to weight ratio is what it's all about.
I got the power and the weight.

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Post by Vlad Popov » Tue May 13, 2003 8:28 pm

Victoria’s dad had an FZ1 last year. Plush ride.

American muscle cars seem over-represented here. We need JG with his “muscle” Euro car here ASAP. :smile:
What good is all this horsepower/torque and power-to-weight ratio, if you sink the gas pedal and make a lot of smoke without going anywhere?

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Post by Will J » Tue May 13, 2003 9:58 pm

On 2003-05-13 12:47, Patio Mendino wrote:
my '73 Charger with a big block 400(with Edlebrock/Holley goodies) is for real...it goes really fast, brings home big trophies from the dragstrip and gets about 3,000 miles outta' the rear tires...
and yes, a 1,500lb Honda civic with nitrous will give it a run...
power to weight ratio is what it's all about.
I got the power and the weight.
now thats a beautifull peice of machinary, what's it running (10's??)... and i'd much rather be in it on the track than that honda that smoked us, just incase something went wrong..
charger = hole in wall
honda = flags at half-mast

oh yeah, when it comes to tracktion, the subaru WRX cannot be beat... test drove(rode) one in the rain(almost 2" of water on the road at places) hitting sharp turns at 70(dealer was drivin at this time).. actually scared me, and thats hard to do... but it stuck, and i mean STUCK.. and those things get up and go (a stage 3 wrx will outrun a porshe easily at half the price)

as much respect as i have for fast imports, you CAN'T beat the sound of a chevy big block, or a dodge hemi, roaring down the road to fast for it's own good getting 3mpg.. guess it's the little bit of redneck still in my blood :smile:
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Post by Will J » Tue May 13, 2003 10:02 pm

oops.. double post...

oh yeah, ricky's z is VERY nice.. love that interior..

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Post by Steve Prue » Tue May 13, 2003 10:36 pm

1977 firebird...350 with 4 barrel. not a stoplight screamer, but damn fun and better looking than those third an fourth gen f-bodies (at least in my eyes). just bought a 1985 Honda Nighthawk S (stage 2 jet kit and aftermarket 4 into 1 exhaust) from a friend for $400..just need the bozi 36" in the quiver and all will be well.

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Post by John Gilmour » Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:02 pm

I can have three hot chicks in my car doing 160 and they won't even smear their lip liner while the stereo drowns out their high pitched squeals of excitement.

All the other cars in this thread are limited to one hot chick and two amputees.

Though the Brabus S600 can fit 3 in the back and two up front (one on Simons Lap).

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:17 pm

Bullshoot. I can easily get a hot chick in the pax seat AND two laying DOWN in the hatchback . . . actually, THREE hot chicks if they don't mind the intertwined arms-and-legs thing.

Amputees are cool. They usually have all the good parts and don't bitch about matching their handbag and shoes.

By the way, Gilmour, after you gave these three hot chicks a ride to the mall, what did you do with the rest of your afternoon? :razz:

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Post by Chuck Gill » Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:47 am

I've had my 1994 Escort up to 90 mph. It will go faster but at 90 the duct tape holding the back bumper together starts tearing off. Then part of the bumper starts scraping against the rest, and it makes a creaking sound. So I slowed down again.

Did I ever tell y'all about the time I rear-ended a BMW in downtown Ft. Lauderdale on a Saturday night?

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Sun Aug 10, 2003 7:05 pm

Hey, Chuck, isn't rear-ending an escort what got Kobe Bryant in trouble?

Whoa ho! Let's see Slappy make a pic out of that one!

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Post by Chuck Gill » Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:43 am

Buying used Ford Escorts is the most fun. I get to call people up on the phone and say, "Hi, I'm calling about the ad for the escort you have in the paper." Invariably there will be a pause on the other end of the line until they realize that is in fact the type of car they took an ad out in the paper to sell.

So much fun I bought two of them.

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Post by Adam Trahan » Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:58 pm

Gilmour, do you have a picture or a URL about your car? I am not familiar with that model, I would like to read about it.

What have you had her up to?

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:30 pm

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Post by Patio Mendino » Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:42 pm

http://www.mindspring.com/~artcat/pfphot3b.html

here's a photo of mine, getting done with the tire warming process...
(I did a little extra for the camera...)
I am INVINCIBLE.

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Post by John Gilmour » Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:27 pm

Here's a photo- not a very good one...but it is the same color and same rims.
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I've gone 150mph in it- very smooth and predictable, wind noise and the blur from the side windows are the only real indicators that you are truly hauling ass.

Here's a video of a few crazy Germans- bad judgement on this two lane road.
http://www.500e.de/500e56k.ram

You can drive this car endlessly at 120+mph without driver fatigue. 100mph feels like a normal speed. They are truly great cars and nearly depreciation proof making them almost cheap to drive. As for reliability... look at who built them. I've had a Black E500 and a Silver one and they- COMBINED- have had the lowest ownership costs of any other car I have had. My Silver one is a little special because it has the E500 Limited 17 inch rims and a handy traction control defeat switch (for faster standing starts)- also has the older spec. for Hp - best of all...more people in the car just means you have more weight on your rear wheels and sometimes just go faster.

And lets not forget those factory 0-60 times for the 500E and E500 were achieved with an automatic tranny starting in 2nd gear and ASR activated. You CAN trick the tranny into a 1st gear start and with the traction control defeat switch....it's a different car entirely.

Here are a few photos and a good description of the mechanicals, feel and performance.
http://www.mercedesshop.com/500e.htm

Here is a history of the making of the car- pretty interesting- and a very complicated project.

The Four Door Porsche
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Pros
Porsche engineering and assembly, Mercedes hardware and reliability

Cons
Limited production run makes them hard to find for sale

Full Review A few Porsche enthusiasts will remember the four door prototype, called the Type 989, that Porsche began developing in the early 1990s based on a stretched 911 chassis with a rear mounted 8-cylinder engine and four doors. The project was eventually shelved, but the 989 hardware was reverted back to a two door configuration and evolved into the Type 996 or 1999 911 that we see today. The foor door Porsche spirit lives on, however, in the form of another Stuttgart car.

In 1990, Mercedes decided to develop a high performance version of their successful 300E model which debuted in 1986. Porsche was contracted to engineer the modifications necessary to transform an ordinary 300E into the very special 500E. However, the extensive modifications to the floor and external sheetmetal meant the 500E could not easily be built on the normal assembly line at the busy Mercedes Sindelfingen plant. So, Mercedes also called upon Porsche to perform the assembly of the 500E at Porsche's Rossle-Bau plant in Zuffenhausen. The contract called for 8 to 12 500Es per day, 2400 per year, built to the highest quality.

During the 1992-1994 production run, Porsche's Rossle-Bau facility was operated by Old World standards: cars were built on wheeled pallets and were moved by hand from station to station as they were assembled. Electric spot welding was also done mostly by hand. This process is a major reason why I would place a special value on the 500E, as no other modern-day Mercedes has received so much care in assembly and quality control.

Each 500E started life at the Rossle-Bau plant where the basic body shell was completed, including doors, trunk, and hood, and then transported on special trucks to the Mercedes Sindelfingen plant across town. There, the body was corrosion-proofed and painted, giving it the full measure of rust protection and allowing customers to choose from the entire palette of Mercedes colors. Then each 500E went back to the Porsche plant for more assembly. Engines, transmissions, and other major mechanicals were assembled by Mercedes and shipped to Porsche for installation. Then another trip across town, back to Mercedes, where each 500E received a final inspection before delivery or export. On average, it took 18 days to build each 500E, much of which was consumed by transportation time.

Porsche's modifications to the original 300E included splaying-out and reinforcing the frame rails, widening the driveshaft tunnel, modifying the front axle crossmember and other engine bay components to accept the 5-liter 322-hp V8 engine that was also specified for the 500SL at that time and weighed 70 lbs more than the 300E's inline-6 engine. The heavy duty battery was moved to the trunk to achieve an ideal 50:50 weight balance with two occupants and 175 lb of luggage aboard. 500SL-sourced wishbone suspension pieces and steering linkages were reinforced to accomodate the 500E's increased weight. The 500E stands nearly an inch lower than the 300E due to shorter and stiffer springs with plastic buffers and gas pressurized shock absorbers with internal damping springs. A hydraulic self-leveling suspension is standard equipment. 11.8-inch vented disc brakes in the front were sourced from the 300CE- and in the Special 1994 E500 were sourced from the 600SL, and the 10.9-inch vented rear discs were the same as the 500SL. Wider wheels and tires resulted in a 1.5-inch wider track, and the wheel well fenders were flared out to better accomodate the extra width.

While the 500E's engine was the same M119 V8 used in the 500SL, the 500E was specified with Bosch LH Jetronic fuel injection (the 500SL used KE Jetronic) and a redesigned intake manifold with longer runners that resulted in an additional 22 lb-ft of torque, developing a maximum 354 lb-ft at 3900 rpm.

To handle the extra horsepower and torque, the 500E's 4-speed automatic transmission was sourced from the 500SL model, as well as its rear axle that used a 2.82:1 differential to fully exploit the V8's torque. ASR traction control was standard and no defeat switches were provided by the factory (aftermarket defeat switches are available, however). Like all other Mercedes transmissions at that time, the default starting gear was 2nd, presumably to ensure smooth acceleration. There were two ways to force a start in 1st gear: either floor the gas pedal, which resulted in a less-than-smooth kickdown, or by moving the gear selector down and over to B, then back to D (this tricked the gearbox into starting off in 1st, regardless of throttle position).

Factory performance figures were 0-to-60 mph in 5.6 seconds and a top speed of 155 mph. With the standard ASR, most real-world acceleration runs produced 6.0 to 6.2 second results. With ASR defeated via aftermarket equipment, sub-6 second times would be more reliably achieved. The 155 mph top speed was electronically limited, in accordance with the Audi/BMW/Mercedes agreement to avoid escalating top speed wars.

The 500E's competition was the BMW M5 and Audi S4 (not to be confused with the 2000 S4 which is a high performance version of the A4; the 1992 S4 was a high performance version of the then 100/200 model, now A6 model). The M5 was typically more desireable to track enthusiasts because of its standard manual transmission (no automatic was offered) and beefy inline-6 engine. The S4's standard Quattro four wheel drive appealed to all-season sport sedan owners. But the 500E was the king of the autobahn with its torquey V8 engine and tank-like build quality. The kind of driving fun you experience in the 500E is not the sort of tail-out tire-smoking session you could have with an M5, but rather an impressive display of smoothness and effortless power delivery and roadholding grip that can only fully be appreciated on the long, winding, high velocity roads of the Autobahn and Autostradas of Germany and Italy.

The 500E had few faults. The single windshield wiper arm, although engineered to clear most of the windshield with each stroke, cannot compensate for high speed duty. The climate control system was not very friendly to use, and not very accurate in keeping the cabin at a steady temperature. And, as already mentioned, the ASR was non defeatable (Mercedes has since offered ASR defeat switches in its high performance models beginning around 1995).

The 1992-1994 Mercedes 500E is truly special because of its unique involvement with Porsche, something no other Mercedes model can claim, past or present. That distinction alone makes the 500E desirable to both Mercedes enthusiasts and Porsche enthusiasts. And unlike the AMG Mercedes models of today, with their attention-getting 18-inch 5-spoke wheels and sculpted lower body panels, the 500E looks nearly identical to its plebian 300E sibling, truly defining the old adage "a wolf (silverfox) in sheep's clothing".



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Amount Paid (US$): 79,200 MSRP (1992), $30,000 to $40,000 resale value (1999)
Condition: Used
Model Year: 1992-1994
Model and Options: 500E


I met with the North East Chapter and we went driving 10 of these all at once. You couldn't buy the entertainment we got when we heard the police band chatter going off when people we talking about these cars zooming everywhere. They were like.....- we've got a Black Mercedes E Class sedan going pretty fast on Rt. 35-zzzsh! You sure about that? We heard it was Blue,zzzsh! Well we have a red one also- but I think we heard it was black...what the hell is going on here?"


If you are interested....
Here's the whole archive.
http://www.homestead.com/need2speed/E500.html


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Post by Adam Trahan » Fri Aug 15, 2003 8:14 pm

Excellent.

Thanks for the web site, these are the kinds of resources that I look for when investigating an interest.

On speed...

At first, this thread was protested by a couple of respectable people. I listened to what they had to say and perhaps I still made a mistake in posting the thread.

Speeding can kill even innocents.

Here in the West, there are fenced roads, no hills, miles long, good surface and visibility and well, you can do it pretty safely.

We drive, some faster than others. I like driving fast by myself when the conditions are favorable for it.

150mph is fast indeed.

I've done 110mph for about 40 minutes once on the way to Vegas from Flagstaff. I was up to 120mph for a while then back down to 110. This was in a new Accord and it purred.

Accord, Civic, CRV, Passat, Maxima, 924, 928, Jaguar and Cadillac, I've had them into the 3's and some sit down and feel good, others you float in and still others feel like they are a flying.

I like it when the car "sits" and the steering gets firm and centered. I scan far ahead, quickly far behind and then continue with the scan and then start to relax. I like the feeling of driving fast...

Thanks for the info John.

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Post by John Gilmour » Fri Aug 15, 2003 9:04 pm

I like them because they don't call too much attention to the law enforcement. Though I guess to be really stealth it would help for me to dump my plate and rims. I did get stopped with Tway in the black E500- the car looked stock enough to just get a warning.


BTw this will give you an idea of the 1992's which are a lot less money- though not as nice looking and have a old becker stereo. 1992's run about 24-28k. They have the smaller brakes and higher front grill. Mr. Bean recently bought one.


I'll take you for a ride in my car when you're East- the thing is just "hunkered down" like nothing else- most similar ride I think is a 928 Porsche- but the E500 still feels more glued. They crowned it "King of Brick Roads" in Europe. The edge of traction comes much later than you would expect and the tire squeal gives you plenty of warning.

You could take Abec11 101mm flywheels and put them on a lightweight Gren-tec. It would go fast...but I wouldn't want to be piloting it. that basically my take on some of the souped up rides I see.

So who had the ultimate ride? Well it would have to have a great seats, fast speeds,navigation systems and video, and tons of weapons. It seems this guy had both.

God damn it Scotty, I need more power!
Vlad's bike will dust my car.


Oh and if you want to go even faster- not necessary- you can soup these up. At the last rally we saw two with 580 hp and 550 ft/lb torque. the below link has one for fairly cheap. Though only 450 horsepower. I'm sure the owner could just pop it on one of his oil tankers and have it delivered to the dock nearest you. Sweet ride. For about $35,000-$37,000 USD
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