ISSA - International Slalom Skateboarding Association

Cat,

You are ranked 82nd in the Men's Am standings with 1047 points.

I would be willing to wager somewhere along the line a race organizer forwarded points to Corky and did not label some points for the Women's class.

One of the things that's important to do is for a racer who thinks the points standing is too low is look through all the classes and make sure every point is where it belongs. It's also important the SAME NAME is used (Racer X, CMC, Fatboy, SST and the list of nicknames goes on.)

What happens is Corky gets the results and will then split points between Cat Young in the Women's standings and Cat Young in the Men's standings. Then you end up with not enough points in either category to attain your appropriate rank.

I know it's a pain, but Corky manages a database with over 1000 names. It's just not his responsibility to sort through these and know Fatboy is Ron Barbagallo or "C. Young" is you and not an entirely new racer because somebody on the computer initialized your name.

Know what I mean?

Corky,

Julie Julie USA has 987 points awarded for the GS race at the 2007 Worlds and in fact it's Julie Boulanger CAN. Please, could you make the correction when you will have the time.

Thanks in advance.

My son got all my worlds points, somehow he got the name WAX tied into his name. I emailed Corky and he was very helpful, and will adjust it for the next update. Just let him know whats wrong and he will graciously fix any misunderstandings.

Wesley Tucker wrote:Cat,

You are ranked 82nd in the Men's Am standings with 1047 points.

I would be willing to wager somewhere along the line a race organizer forwarded points to Corky and did not label some points for the Women's class.

One of the things that's important to do is for a racer who thinks the points standing is too low is look through all the classes and make sure every point is where it belongs. It's also important the SAME NAME is used (Racer X, CMC, Fatboy, SST and the list of nicknames goes on.)

What happens is Corky gets the results and will then split points between Cat Young in the Women's standings and Cat Young in the Men's standings. Then you end up with not enough points in either category to attain your appropriate rank.

I know it's a pain, but Corky manages a database with over 1000 names. It's just not his responsibility to sort through these and know Fatboy is Ron Barbagallo or "C. Young" is you and not an entirely new racer because somebody on the computer initialized your name. Please post them here...
Know what I mean?

Sorry, but I'm still confused.
I am only Cat Young in every contest I have entered.
I don't know about all the other racers, but I don't go by a nickname.
I don't know how I can have 3 different amounts for my point status for women's.

Wesley, if I understood how the points are given, then maybe I could go through & see if all my points are correct.
I don't know how the points system works.

World Championships (27.Sep.2007)
Year Class Place Point DQ Num Pro-Open PO Place PO Point Type
2007 WO 3 504 0 0 0 0 TSS
2007 WO 2 540 0 0 0 0 GS
2007 WO 4 480 0 0 0 0 SPC

This does not make sense to me--- what's PO Point

Cat Young wrote:Sorry, but I'm still confused.
I am only Cat Young in every contest I have entered.
I don't know about all the other racers, but I don't go by a nickname.
I don't know how I can have 3 different amounts for my point status for women's.

Wesley, if I understood how the points are given, then maybe I could go through & see if all my points are correct.
I don't know how the points system works.

Cat,

It's all right here:

http://www.slalomranking.com/rules/?ses ... 9208f29b15

It starts with the introduction. To the right is a list of radio buttons for each segment of the World Ranking rules.

Thanks Wesley.

Below is the points for Total & AM women I copied directly from the Slalom Rankings.
The other 3 women have the same points in both.
Can you clarify why?

Also, what is PO Place & PO Point? Does it refer to "Open"?



2007 "TOTAL WOMEN"

1 Lynn Kramer, USA 2760 6 460
2 Olga Kiseleva, RUS 2638 6 440
3 Judi Oyama, USA 2484 6 414
4 Cat Young, USA 2379 6 396

2007 "AMATUER WOMEN"

1 Lynn Kramer, USA 2760 6 460
2 Olga Kiseleva, RUS 2638 6 440
3 Cat Young, USA 2503 6 417
4 Judi Oyama, USA 2484 6 414

I am just trying to understand this whole points thing---- I did read the entire Slalom Rankings site--- thanks Wesley. Of course I still have questions.
I am a curious animal by nature!
Thank you

Cat Young wrote: Also, what is PO Place & PO Point? Does it refer to "Open"?

PO is PRO/Open. It is a method of assigning PROS more points than AMs in a contest that groups everyone into one OPEN group. If more than 8 PROS attend, then the PROS get more points than the AMS.

slalomranking.com wrote:If an OPEN competition has 8 or more Pros the World ranking will divide the results up in 2 lists. One with Pros and giving them Pro points and one with Ams and giving them Am points. But to do this you will have to know who is Pro and who is Am. The World Ranking program, when calculating if you are considered a Pro or an Am, will use the following rules.

For your other questions, I do not know the answers....

See below

Cat Young wrote:

Wesley Tucker wrote: Cat,

It's all right here:
http://www.slalomranking.com/rules/?ses ... 9208f29b15
It starts with the introduction. To the right is a list of radio buttons for each segment of the World Ranking rules.

Well, the rules were there a couple nights ago, now they are gone?????

That initial page is blank. But clicking on the links in the left hand menu brings up each section of the rules.

I agree it's a bit of a mistake in the web page layout but rest assured it's all there.

It's the "total" rankings" that counts for women.

"Am" class does not exist for women since there is no pro group. All women compete in the "Open" class.

Women can compete in mens classes though and then exist in "Men Am", "Men Pro" classes.

I still don't see why my points are different in Total & AM when the other 3 women have the same points in both.

Am I missing something??

Maybe this can shed some light on it http://www.slalomranking.com/content/co ... c=29&ct=13

But as I say the AM/PRO classes for women does not exist.

I will have a look to make sure all points are correct for the final year rankings.

Look at each racers results ( http://www.slalomranking.com/rankings/person ) and take the 6 best race results (max 2 per event) and you will have the total result.

When is the COSS Open going to be added?

Cat Young wrote:When is the COSS Open going to be added?

Have the results been submitted to Corky?

I sent them.

There are some other errors from a previous event that also need to be corrected. He was working on them the other day.

Give him some he's been busy the other stuff on this site let alone his real job.

Antrim and The Farm are also missing...

and the Dixie Cup................

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New ranking was added a couple of days ago.

COSS
The COSS Fall Open is added but... It has no geographic place attached to it so maybe that is why it does not show up in the event list. But it is in there. Have a look here...

http://www.slalomranking.com/rankings/e ... rson?e=226

Please tell me what town it was and I will fix so that it shows up in the event list.

Worlds
One of the disciplines for the Pros had not been sorted correctly according to Qualification results. That is fixed now.

US Nationals
Noticed also a small error at the US Nationals where the Am's have got Open points instead of Am points. So this will make some changes in the top of the AM World ranking for the final version at the end of december. Those AM's who where at the US Nationals will loose some points. Those who where not there will not. What I can see it will not change the fact that there will be a whole lot of Americans in the top. But the order between them might change. Very interesting last episode of that ranking.

The Farm
The only event left with missing results and somewhat high status (Prime).

Missing events
You have until dec 31 for sending in event results. But the sooner the better.
You have until jan 31 for finding errors. After that the ranking stands as is.

See this link for correcting old results and points
http://www.slalomranking.com/content/co ... =149&ct=13

Were the Dixie Cup results included in this last update?

Miguel Marco wrote:Antrim and The Farm are also missing...

Mig, I am working with Joe to get results in for the Farm GS and TS...Antrim HY/GS results were sent to me by Joe a while back and forwarded on to Corky, but I'll have to check with him since I received no indication he got them.

I'm trying brother, really am...and it's in my best interest as I NEED those Farm points!

Dixie Cup: No results

Maybe we should have some rule for 2008 that if you don't send in the results to ISSA at the latest 2 weeks after the event the points will be lost.

In the proper format...

Hans Koraeus wrote:Dixie Cup: No results

Maybe we should have some rule for 2008 that if you don't send in the results to ISSA at the latest 2 weeks after the event the points will be lost.

In the proper format...

Corky, good rule! But as for this year, did you get the Antrim results at least? I've sent them to you twice, but never heard back. I'm stiill working on joe to pull together some results for the Farm.

Can you define "proper format" for all of us? I sent the Antrim results in as Excel Spreadsheets, but The Farm results were pen on paper - which I hope to at least ranspose to a text file when I get a hold of Joe. I'm not the race organizer for either of these races, but I'm doing my best at getting these in to you - it (especially the Farm) will greatly affect my ranking, as well as others I would think.

Rick,

Thanks for working to get the Farm and Antrim results in the ranking! Hope you're enjoying all the snow!

Karl,

Does your race qualify for any points? I need all the points I can find to get out of equal 610th place!


Keep on rollin,
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Terry, Antrim will of course just be Basic status, so if you have other higher status races it won't do much, but the Farm results are important. The winter has kicked in full-on up here...let me know if you are ever headed this way!

I doubt I ever sent those in but if Corky will still take them I'm sure I could find them somewhere. I think we did get sanctioned basic.

Rick Floyd wrote:Mig, I am working with Joe to get results in for the Farm GS and TS...Antrim HY/GS results were sent to me by Joe a while back and forwarded on to Corky, but I'll have to check with him since I received no indication he got them.

I'm trying brother, really am...and it's in my best interest as I NEED those Farm points!

Thanks Rick!

I have not got any Antrim results. I once got a hint to have a look at the ncdsa contest calendar but there was no results updated there. Had a look again right now and still no results.

By the way I had a quick look at the Am ranking for 2007. The main reasons there are so many Americans in the top is that Brad Jackman was over in Europe on the Major event in Hanover and took home 2 first places. And then Martin Reeves took home 2 first placecs in the Major (Worlds) in USA. And many of the European that did well at Hanover have not competed very well apart from that. And if you fight for getting a good ranking placement the Major events are the most important to do well in.

Also I noticed that Martin did race as Pro at the COSS event. This probably made him loose the AM ranking title for 2007 to Brad.

But Martin can always comfort himself with being the no 1 Amateur Rookie of the Year for 2007. Unfortunatly with the current rules he just spoiled the chance of being the Pro Rookie of the Year 2008 by entering that COSS Pro event.

It would seem to me that if a contest organizer went through the trouble of applying for a sanction to get an ISSA status for his race -- then he would at least follow through and send the results in so the racers get the appropriate points.

According to my records, as of 11/18/2007 the following races had not had points sent in to the world ranking:

Needham Open 19MAY
Slalom St Louis 26MAY
Nature's Outlaw 03JUN
Canberra 01JUL
5th Czech 15SEP
Kentucky Fried Cone Fest 16SEP
Equiniox 23SEP
Blacktown Beast 07OCT
Harbor 100 11NOV
Overlook Open 27OCT
The Farm 10AUG
Dixie Cup 03NOV
Grande Premio Brasil 20NOV


I suggest that if you were a racer at one of these events: Check the slalom ranking for the points and CONTACT THE RACE ORGANIZER if the points are not listed. Contacting Corky will likely not solve the problem. The problem is lack of follow-through from the contest organizers.

Hans Koraeus wrote:I have not got any Antrim results. I once got a hint to have a look at the ncdsa contest calendar but there was no results updated there. Had a look again right now and still no results.

Antrim was not a sanctioned event.

Does anyone mind if I just post these here?

OVERALL RESULTS
THE NEEDHAM OPEN 2.0 May 20th 2007


1. Karl Floitgraf 10.75
2. Bryan Werner 10.78
3. Terry Whalen 12.23
4. Mike Grasso 12.59
5. Jake Hawkridge 12.81
6. Dan Parrish 12.88
7. Nick Chamberlain 12.91
8. Rick Floyd 13.03
9. Ben Volvowitz 13.07
10. Brett Yorks14.06
11. Micheal Ruisi 14.15
11. Adam Proctor 14.15
13. Tony Peters 14.66
14. Glenn Garbett 14.70
15. Tess Herman 14.90
16. Lisa Woodward 15.15
17. Andrew Withrow 17.34
18. Kevin Stein 17.40
19. Alex Powell 17.71
20. Zach Ganley 19.06
21. Nick Baker 20.04

Karl,

This is EXACTLY what's been discussed at length in this thread.

Is Corky just supposed to know who "Dr. Dan" is?

in case you seem to know who dr.dan is,why don't you just throw the name in,wezzzlheeyyyyy?

Pat Chewning wrote:It would seem to me that if a contest organizer went through the trouble of applying for a sanction to get an ISSA status for his race -- then he would at least follow through and send the results in so the racers get the appropriate points.

According to my records, as of 11/18/2007 the following races had not had points sent in to the world ranking:

(among others)
Slalom St Louis 26MAY

I suggest that if you were a racer at one of these events: Check the slalom ranking for the points and CONTACT THE RACE ORGANIZER if the points are not listed. Contacting Corky will likely not solve the problem. The problem is lack of follow-through from the contest organizers.

I submitted results for Slalom St. Louis quite some time ago, and they seem to be reflected on slalomranking.com (I clicked on "Events" and selected Slalom St. Louis, and the results showed up).

The races in red from Pat's list are missing from the ranking database...

Needham Open 19MAY
Slalom St Louis 26MAY OK
Nature's Outlaw 03JUN OK
Canberra 01JUL OK
5th Czech 15SEP
Kentucky Fried Cone Fest 16SEP OK
Equiniox 23SEP
Blacktown Beast 07OCT
Harbor 100 11NOV
Overlook Open 27OCT
The Farm 10AUG
Dixie Cup 03NOV
Grande Premio Brasil 20NOV OK


Maybe some of these events was never done?

Karl,

Thanks for the results but I need the discipline results. Not the overall results.

And if Antrim never got sanctioned I will just set the status as Plain. This status needs no sanction.

/Corky

yes, we would want to leave out any BASIC st louis points.

There was only one event, hybrid. Overall just referred to the junior class we had but I lost those.

antrim dual

Final Results
Final Position Racer No. & Name Qualifying Time Qualifying Position Points Earned
1 Louis Ricard 16.438 1
2 Adam Schippert 16.967 6
3 Sebastian Leger 16.694 2
4 Mig Marco 16.961 5
5 Karl Floitgraf 16.790 3
6 Pascal "Rookie" Jean 16.959 4
7 Curt DiBartolo 17.030 7
8 Brian Peck 17.733 9
9 Eric Brassard 18.088 10
10 Danilo Perich 18.090 11
11 Ben Chapman 18.126 12
12 Glenn Chapman 18.250 13
13 Rick Floyd 18.409 14
14 Terry Whalen 18.750 15
15 Joe Iacovelli 19.152 16
16 Raylene Hill 22.110 25
17 Bryan Werner 17.272 8
18 Anthony Pistono 19.217 17
19 Fredrick Poulin 19.846 18
20 Julie Boulanger 19.966 19
21 Dan Parrish 20.874 20
22 John Friends 20.912 21
23 Henry Julier 21.519 22
24 Raab Herten 21.973 23
25 Lisa Woodward 22.047 24
26 Wntzle Ruml 22.160 26
27 Adam Proctor 22.196 27
28 Emilie Gacon 22.657 28
29 Fatboy 22.836 29
30 Milli Chapmane 23.174 30
31 Rebecca Filion 23.435 31
32 Nick Iacovelli 27.080 32

Antrim GS

Final Position Racer No. & Name Sum of Best Two Times
1 1 Adam Schwippert 49.923
2 27 Sebastian Leger 51.323
3 23 Mig Marco 51.713
4 8 Curt (CMC) Bartolo 52.028
5 2 Loius Ricard 52.075
6 7 Brian Peck 52.484
7 5 Rookie (Pascal jean)52.517
8 28 Karl Floitgraff 52.638
9 3 Anthony Pistono 53.490
10 25 Rick Floyd 53.793
11 13 BrianWerner 53.832
12 16 Glenn Chapman 54.181
13 20 Danilo Pierich 54.480
14 22 Frederic Poulin 54.751
15 17 Mick Reiss 54.948
16 14 Terry Whalen 55.436
17 18 Eric Brisard 55.952
18 11 Julie Boulanger 58.539
19 21 Varley Hopkinson 59.401
20 19 Wentzle Ruml 59.437
21 12 Dan Parrish 59.462
22 15 Joe Iacovelli 60.366
23 9 Adam Proctor 60.612
24 26 Henry Julier 61.545
25 6 Raylene Hill 62.188
26 24 Tess Herman 62.932
27 10 Rebecca Filion 63.178
28 4 Nick Iacovelli 76.101

Farm GS

Mens Tee
Noah Heinle20.548
Mig Marco20.814
Brian Parsons 20.818
Mike Duquette 20.842
Brian Peck 20.955
Sebastian Leger 21.081
Karl Flouitgraf 21.115
Troy Smart 21.17
Chris Barrett 21.205
Luke Melo21.237
Brian Werner 21.323
Danilo Percich 21.532
Rob Sydia 21.602
Ben Chapman 22.128
Glen Chapman 22.259
Adam Daniels 22.464
Terry Whalen 22.612
Gumby 22.628
Rick Floyd 23.07
Joe iacovelli 23.896
Dan Parrish 24.671
Eddy Martinez 24.673
Carl Crider DNF

Ladies Tee
Leo Ojeda 18.169
William Tway 18.423
Anthony Pistono 18.442
Tyler Hagger 18.573
Justin Readings18.599
Chris Gegowicz 18.803
Scott Snow(Scooter) 19.144
Julie Boulanger 19.153
Mike Grasso 19.452
Fatboy 20.535
Nick Chamberlin 21.144
Henry Julier 21.382
Emilie Gascon 21.481
Tess Herman 21.542
Lisa Farrow 23.171
Nick Iacovelli 26.038
Zack Levitt 26.491

Joe Iacovelli wrote:4 Mig 16.961 5

Joe Iacovelli wrote: 2 27 Sebastian 51.323
3 23 Mig 51.713
4 8 Curt (CMC) 52.028
11 13 Brian (Weazle) 53.832
13 20 Danilo 54.480
20 19 Wentzle 59.437
24 26 Henry 61.545
25 6 Raylene A 62.188

Who are these people?

Wesley,

I refuse to tell you.

Farm Dual A Class

Mike Duquette
Brian Peck
Noah Heinle
Troy Smart
Mig Marco
Brian Parsons
Sebastian Leger
Karl Flouitgraf
Chris Barrett
Luke Melo
Brian Werner
Danilo Percich
Rob Sydia
Ben Chapman
Glen Chapman
Adam Daniels
Terry Whalen

Wesley Tucker wrote:

Joe Iacovelli wrote:4 Mig 16.961 5

Joe Iacovelli wrote: 2 27 Sebastian 51.323
3 23 Mig 51.713
4 8 Curt (CMC) 52.028
11 13 Brian (Weazle) 53.832
13 20 Danilo 54.480
20 19 Wentzle 59.437
24 26 Henry 61.545
25 6 Raylene A 62.188

Who are these people?

Sorry Wesley

Sebastian Leger
Mig Abromowitz
Curt CMC Munchausen
Brian Weasle Werner
Danilo Periech
Wentzle Symthers-Jones
Henry Julier
Raylene Hill

Did you really not know who Wentzle is?

Joe Iacovelli wrote: Sorry Wesley

Sebastian Leger
Mig Abromowitz
Curt CMC Munchausen
Brian Weasle Werner
Danilo Periech
Wentzle Symthers-Jones
Henry Julier
Raylene Hill

Did you really not know who Wentzle is?

OK, smartass, so now when all these people have their points split because CORKY might not know who they are you can be the one explaining the process to them.

How many times does it have to be repeated that it's not Corky's job to research every whacked out nickname to match it to the skater's point standings? When Wentzle's point are spread out between his full name, "WRIV," "Wentzle," and "Dogtown Guy," then who's going to give him the reason why he's 100 places lower in the standing than he should be?

Thanks for making this process easier, Joe. Glad you're on the Board of the ISSA and so cooperative.

B Class Dual from Farm 07

gumby
justin Readings
tyler hager
Dan Parrish
Rick Floyd
Chris Gregowicz
Julie Boulanger
Joe Iacovelli
Eddy Martinez
William Tway
Leo Ojeda
Anthony Pistono
Scott Snow
Mike Grasso
Fatboy
Carl Crieder

C Class Dual from Farm 07

Nick Chamberlin
Tess Herman
Emilie Gascon
Henry Julier
Lisa Farrow
Nick Iacovelli
Zack Levitt

OK Wesley, truth be told I have been victim of split points myself and fully intended to go back and resolve name issues (all posts now edited). I was just trying to get things up first.

What I take exception to is before I can even finish posting, you take the opportunity to point out where I am wrong. I wasn't done, but you're so perfect and have so much free time, you can't wait. Did I invent the term "keyboard racer" for you? I forget.

Guess why I resigned from the board of directors? Because of "skateboarders" who don't know Wentzle's last name.

Hope you spell my name right when I come to your race next year.