ISSA - International Slalom Skateboarding Association

i really agree with SJ on that point : i would love to see an overall Men ranking, with no more class, further more since most of european races are held as Open !

1.15.67

Sj Kalliokoski wrote:Please no more classes, we have already now too many over laping ones.
I would rather see one Men division which would cover curent AM and Pro, and another Masters one where are those old enough and who dont want to be race in Men.
Plus additionally naturally youth divisions.

Another totally confusing topic is current ranking and side that also that 4 year ranking. Could we have just one ranking like in sports?

There is only one already for 5 different classes. Pro, Am, Wom, Jun and Jun girl. The official world rankings you see here. There is actually no official World ranking yet for the masters...

These are the ones we should push for officially as World Rankings. And the Pro ranking as prio 1.

All the other rankings are just for fun and different objectives. 1 year ranking for the short term motivation and the 4 year ranking for the long term motivation. Maybe we should add a lifetime ranking also. All years count. :-)

Just as in other sport you can rank things in many ways. There are so much more rankings we can do. We have for all classes, 1 and 4 year, Rookie ranking, life time race count ranking. But one could add who has had most first places, most podium in Worlds, and ... the list can go on forever.

If you are a ranking freak there is no end to what rankings you may calculate. But that is of course all the rankings under the hood. There are only 5 official ISSA World Rankings.

Please no more classes, we have already now too many over laping ones.
I would rather see one Men division which would cover curent AM and Pro, and another Masters one where are those old enough and who dont want to be race in Men.
Plus additionally naturally youth divisions.

Another totally confusing topic is current ranking and side that also that 4 year ranking. Could we have just one ranking like in sports?

Marcos Soulsby-Monroy wrote:Perhaps there should be a masters Pro class too, I don't know if there is enough to make that happen tough any thoughts other than mine that is :)

I think when this was planned in early 2000 the idea was that if you race pro you are a pro. Nothing else. And if you are older than 45 then maybe you just want to skip pro and race with all masters all together.

But these old Pro racers just don't want to stop and just keep skating so good and fast that it does not fit with the initial idea anymore. ;-)

Yes we could start to treat masters as a PRO and AM class also. It all depends how many skaters there are though. I think it would have been nice though to have master classes run on their own when possible but it's not always possible maybe.

Or... if PRO and AM are only racing in separate classes just decide that PRO Master racers come before AM Master racers in the general master class result. Then the issue is solved and we would have all masters in one class.

Maybe something to propose for the BOD...

Perhaps there should be a masters Pro class too, I don't know if there is enough to make that happen tough any thoughts other than mine that is :)

Yes, maybe we could have a short one.
But, you know there's always been a "problem" with the Masters ranking in that it doesn't include everyone. It only includes Masters of the Am category, or those that really raced in a Masters category during a race. That made it slightly scewed, so I may have treated it a little bit less official.

Corky and I should sit down during the winter and see how we can either merge or just create a common design for the two sites, or rather three: SlalomSkateboarder front page, Forum and SlalomRanking.com.

/Jani

It would be nice to have Master-ranking on the front too...like Pro and AM.
And maybe the other ones?

Neil Orta wrote:1965 Still a puppy.....:)

Sorry Neil we have no Puppy class yet in the ranking. ;-)
But from now on you will also show up in the Masters ranking.

1965 Still a puppy.....:)

11.05.61

1960 Texas Outlaws Por Vida.

1962 ...Oi!

9.11.61

3.13.1961

Hans Koraeus wrote:Are Paula Kalliokoski and Sj Paula Kalliokoski the same person?

No.

/Jani

Hmmm well you'll see a lot more of me on the forums.. Typically when I am stuck inside due to bad weather... I post a lot.. But moving to Aspen (last 3 years) .... we have 300 sunny days a year.

But I moved to Los Angeles - 167 sunny days....

And now I injured myself.... torn calf and soleous both grade 3 tears and twin sprained ankles...

So I guess I'll be posting a bunch..but not competing until I heal..

Keyboard racing does serve a purpose....it helps you maintain sanity.

Are Paula Kalliokoski and Sj Paula Kalliokoski the same person?
I see both in the racer database...

John, we are missing you in the ranking. Let's see some Master points this year.

July 1 63

Jani, I just wanted you to know when to send me a front Rad for my birthday! HaHa

Paula Kalliokoski 1958

Year is enough.

/Jani

2/13/62

My brother from another mother!

9/9/1964, same as JBH. Now only if I could skate like him.

Any new Masters out there? (or are you above 40 and coming close to the Master class)
Report your year of birth here to have the ranking site updated.

Thanks!

/Jani

Am I in the Master group?
23.02.1964

Well Kalliokoski, welcome to the Masters Ranking. You will be in in there for the next update 1.3. Very soon.

Just realized that i did not update my age in this thread. Not old yet, just lived long, born Dec 1953

This is me on -78

Jonathan Harms wrote:One final question, just to make sure I do understand: So if sound like a racer who fits into more than one category (such as Masters and Amateur, as Rick does) doesn't have to worry that one division will "rob" his/her points from the other division--which is a good thing. If they qualify for both, they get both. If only one applies (such as when a separate Masters division is run AND they enter that division), then only that one is counted. Is that correct?

Yes.

Something to think about is that...
- If there are multiple classes held and you fit into both you have to enter both the classes to get the class rank points. For example if you want both Master and Am points and both these classes are held separatly you have to enter them both. Same for Juniors wanting both Junior and Am points when there are junior classes held separatly.

That's what make the Open class so efficient. You get all classes in one. Once you start making separate classes the racers and organizers have to watch up.

Corky, thanks for the replies so far. Like Rick, I think I actually "get it" now.

One final question, just to make sure I do understand: So if sound like a racer who fits into more than one category (such as Masters and Amateur, as Rick does) doesn't have to worry that one division will "rob" his/her points from the other division--which is a good thing. If they qualify for both, they get both. If only one applies (such as when a separate Masters division is run AND they enter that division), then only that one is counted. Is that correct?

I finally get it...it's a miracle!

Harms wrote:And let's say 45+ racer Gib Lewis gets 6th place in the Am race, and places higher than any other 45+ racer. Would he receive 6th-place Am points AND 1st-place Masters points, just by virtue of his age?

Yes this is correct. Assuming that no Master Class is run separatly.

Same idea for junior classes getting their points from the AM class if no junior class is run separatly.

And also Women classes will be calculated in th same way if no women classes are run separatly.

Corky, I just asked a similar question as JBH, in the 2010 rankings thread...just answer here and I'll check back.

-RF

Hans Koraeus wrote:Just to clarify how it works in the ranking system right now.

Master points are calculated automatically from results if no master class is run. Note though that it is the AM or OPEN class results that are used in this case. If running a PRO/AM event it is the AM result only that are used for this. Pro class is a very special class. It's a class of its own. Same goes for juniors and women entering the PRO class. These results will not translate into any other junior or women results.

Conclusion concerning Master class
- If running an OPEN event with only an OPEN class there is no problem with calculating the Master Class automatically.
- If running a PRO and AM Class the Master Class will be calculated automatically from the Am class. So in these events it is a good idea to run the Masters Class as a separate class. If wanting to run the Master Class as a head to head one could use the placements from the PRO and AM class to speed things up. PRO placements then always coming before AM placements.

Corky, I'm confused. Can 45+year-old racers earn BOTH Masters points (and ranking) AND Am or Women's points (and ranking)? I think I'm reading it correctly in assuming they can. But am I reading it correctly? Example: Let's say there's a Colorado race that has separate Pro hybrid and Am hybrid classes. And let's say 45+ racer Gib Lewis gets 6th place in the Am race, and places higher than any other 45+ racer. Would he receive 6th-place Am points AND 1st-place Masters points, just by virtue of his age? Or would he only receive one OR the other, depending on which category he's listed in in the database?

Note: I'm not currently concerned about whether I have a Masters ranking or not, I'm just trying to make sure I understand how the system works.

Ok, you elders.

I'm back to see if we can get all results together for 2009 and calculate 2009 World Rankings.

So check out if your ranking age is registered correctly here to have a chance to get points in the 2009 Masters Ranking.

Concerning Master ranking discussions above
Just to clarify how it works in the ranking system right now.

Master points are calculated automatically from results if no master class is run. Note though that it is the AM or OPEN class results that are used in this case. If running a PRO/AM event it is the AM result only that are used for this. Pro class is a very special class. It's a class of its own. Same goes for juniors and women entering the PRO class. These results will not translate into any other junior or women results.

Conclusion concerning Master class
- If running an OPEN event with only an OPEN class there is no problem with calculating the Master Class automatically.
- If running a PRO and AM Class the Master Class will be calculated automatically from the Am class. So in these events it is a good idea to run the Masters Class as a separate class. If wanting to run the Master Class as a head to head one could use the placements from the PRO and AM class to speed things up. PRO placements then always coming before AM placements.

09/09/1964. The year of the Dragon.

Roar.

11/61 makes me old I guess

i'm not sure if beginners are concerned here, however i was born nov 20th 1962

I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier... I hope he'll be back soon!

Cat Young wrote:Is 2009 going to be added to the rankings?

Corky is taking some time off from slalom skateboarding. He got bored with steady criticism. We still hope he'll be back at the end of the year to get all the 2009 results in. Some guys have already volunteered to help. Still probably need a volunteer or two from the US side to get the US results in order for the end of the year update. So if you're serious and have a sense of order, you can volunteer directly to Corky.

/Jani

Is 2009 going to be added to the rankings?

Miguel Marco wrote:Yeah! And 47 rocks!

Well... not that much when you try to get out of bed in the morning... Ha! Ha! ha!

I'll bet Fabian didn't get frosting licked off his head by one of his friends at his party though!

Martin,

I'm 48 about to be 49 on July 5th. I didn't mention that I put it in the shredder, did I? It's rightful place IMHO.

Yeah! And 47 rocks!

Well... not that much when you try to get out of bed in the morning... Ha! Ha! ha!

Hahaha cheers Miguel!!!
Nr 22 rules

Marty Schaub wrote:While you young bucks are just turning 45, I got a membership "come on" packet in the mail yesterday from AARP.

Screw that, your as old as you act, right? I am going to ride my skateboard today, and crank some music up really loud in protest to my mailer. AND I listen to music loud because I want to not because I have to in order to hear it with my hearing aides!

How old are you Marty? I don't want that stuff in the mail, I'm 50 next May and getting worried now! I just started working Summer Ops at Park City Mountain Resort and normally there are a few guys in their 30's when I work winters for the Snowboard School, but right now I'm double the age of everyone I work with....

MD

Fabian! We have the exact same birthday!

One day before me!

may 22 1962
That adds up to 47 Still hungry!