2009 ISSA Rule Update Proposals - Process for applying

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2009 ISSA Rule Update Proposals - Process for applying

Post by Pat Chewning » Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:21 am

Yes, I know that the ink is still drying on our 2008 ISSA rules, but recent events have reminded me that eventually near the end of 2008 we will have an opportunity to update the rules.

So I have created this message to outline how to submit a change request, and what might happen near the end of the season.

1) Submit your rule update proposal in this forum, under a new topic. Begin the SUBJECT line with "2009 Rule Update" (Area of rule affected) . Example: "2009 Rule Update DQ Penalty". This will allow us to find your proposal in September, when this process will kick off.

2) If a topic already exists in the same rule area, please respond in that topic. For example, if someone should start a topic "2009 Rule Update DQ Penalty" and that person is promoting a 999 second DQ penalty, if YOUR proposal is a 1.23 second penalty, make your proposal in the same topic area.

3) At the end of September the ISSA will form a rules committee to dig through the proposals and come up with some way of determining which ones warrant implementation into the 2009 rules. The exact methodology to be used is TBD and would be one of the tasks of the rules committee.

4) Among the outcomes, the rules committe could enact the rule outright, combine the "idea" of the rule with other rule proposals, call for a vote, or deny the proposal. There is no guarantee that the rule committe will follow the process we used in the huge 2008 rule writing effort.

If you want to volunteer for the rules committe, propose a process for the committe to follow, or have other ideas about the overall rule update procedure, you can reply in this topic area.

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Suggestions for how to get your rule update the best chance

Post by Pat Chewning » Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:33 am

1) Describe the problem you are trying to fix.

2) Describe your solution in terms of what the current rule is, and how you want the future rule to be.

3) Be clear if you are describing a change to the existing rule, adding a rule, deleting a rule, or providing for an optional rule.

4) At some point, write the exact wording of the rule the way you would like it to be. This saves the rules committe some effort.

YES: Rule 5.2 DQ: Displacing more than 10 cones. (11 cones is a DQ)
NO: Dude, conespray sucks -- lower the cones.

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Post by Peter Klang » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:46 pm

So will this apply regardless of the length of the cours. What if it is a 30 cone cours or a 80 cone like in Zurich. THINK. Rules are good, if they make sence.

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Post by Pat Chewning » Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:57 pm

It was just an example of how to construct a rule proposal... not a real rule proposal.

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Suggested changes

Post by Pat Chewning » Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:08 pm

Martin Siegrist wrote:I had a look at the rulebook and I'd like to share my thoughts and questions with everybody. some of the points are minor graphic problems.

- does the ISSA have a logo? put it in the rulebook

- I would call it 'ISSA rulebook'

- ISSA can be mentioned in headline on every page

- is a pointy nose a safety hazard? a saftey hazard for who? rider/oponent/spectators

- list of world cup points per rank for each status

- why is there no index

- page number

- link to website - more dominant, bigger

- ISSA on the title page

- name of ISSA president and person responsible for the rules

- no pictures - this is a rulebook, not a presentation/portfolio of the sport

- why can you have more than two trucks if only 4 wheels are allowed?

- 'slalom' logo is cut of on the second page

- on some pages it might be good to move one title with only one line of text to the following page (..... 6. Calculation of time)

- 9.6 / 9.7 sloped surfaces ------> please no 'space' before 'Sloped'

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Post by Pat Chewning » Tue May 27, 2008 5:45 am

Ramón Königshausen wrote:I think for Juniors it is very important to acquire racing experience and therefore they should be allowed to race both, Amateur AND Juniors category, if the want to.

Like this they get used to the racing rhytm and it won't be that much of a big step to race Amateur or Pro because they already know how it goes.

Furthermore I think that at races you always make the greatest progress and learn many things concerning mental strength...

That's just my opionion and I'd like to make this a suggestion for a Rules revision in 2009.

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Ramon is suggesting changing the current rule which calls for racers to race in one and only one class.

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Post by Pat Chewning » Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:07 am

Marcus Seyffarth wrote:I guess I'm a little late coming with input to the rules, but why really should there be a masters division (and how old should you be), and why don't you specify that it should be center to center and not xx ft/meters between cones. A common mistake by beginners is to set courses this way and it makes quite a big difference.
This is for the WORLD RECORD rules. Cone measurements center to center.
(That was the intent, but it might help to clearly indicate this).

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Post by Martin Drayton » Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:10 pm

Pat Chewning wrote:
Ramón Königshausen wrote:I think for Juniors it is very important to acquire racing experience and therefore they should be allowed to race both, Amateur AND Juniors category, if the want to.

Like this they get used to the racing rhytm and it won't be that much of a big step to race Amateur or Pro because they already know how it goes.

Furthermore I think that at races you always make the greatest progress and learn many things concerning mental strength...

That's just my opionion and I'd like to make this a suggestion for a Rules revision in 2009.

rmn
Ramon is suggesting changing the current rule which calls for racers to race in one and only one class.
Would the same thinking carry over to Masters who wanted to race in Pro or Am as well? Although most wouldn't have the energy, being so old and decrepid...

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Post by Pat Chewning » Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:03 pm

I know this is a little bit late and perhaps not the right thead, but I really don't see a reason for records having to be 0.05 seconds better. Is is 0.01 second better then its a new record I think. This is not high jump where you could beat the record with as little as possible lots of times. Anybody agree?
Marcus is proposing that new world records only have to beat the old record by .01 seconds, not .05 --

Topic for discussion when 2009 rules are updated...

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Post by Jani Soderhall » Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:53 pm

You're absolutely right. It's about to happen, but there's been too much going on lately, so the rules section has been completely left aside.

/Jani

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