Can Slalomcross and Banked Slalom be Sanctioned by ISSA?

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:56 am

Question:

Is skateboarder cross considered a slalom event?

If so, can we apply for and ISSA sanction (Basic or Prime)?

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:24 am

Rule 8 of the ISSA is the course technical specifications:

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8.1 Timing System
Timing Systems on the ISSA-approved list shall be used.
8.2 Starting Ramp
• Start platforms shall:
• Be a minimum of 0.75m tall.
• Be a maximum of 2m tall
• Be a maximum angle of 45 degrees from horizontal
• Contain transitions of minimum radius 1m
• Be placed no closer than 4m from the 1st cone in the course.
• Provide hand-holds for the racer to pull on for propulsion from the start
• Have a signaling device placed such that the timing equipment can be signaled when the race
starts from the ramp.
8.3 Straight Parallel Slalom (SPS)
• Course Intent: Test the racer’s ability to turn as quickly as possible on a regular, straight line
course down the fall line of the racing surface. Turns are all short radius.
• May be run on flat or sloped surfaces.
• Cone Spacing Limits: 1.0m to 3.0m
• Cone Spacing Suggestion: 1.5m to 2.0m
• Course Length: 25 to 100 cones. (Suggestion: 50 cones)
8.4 Tight Slalom (TS)
• Course Intent: Test the racer’s ability to turn very quickly, with occasional rhythm interruptions
and offsets away from the fall line. Course is primarily down the fall line of the racing surface.
Turns are all short radius.
• May be run on flat or sloped surfaces.
• Cone Spacing Limits: 1.4m to 3.0m
• Cone Spacing Suggestion: 1.5m to 2.5m
• Course Length: 25 to 100 cones. (Suggestion: 50 cones)
8.5 Hybrid Slalom (HS) [also known as Slalom: Special (SS)]
• Course Intent: Test the racer’s ability to turn quickly, with constantly-changing interruptions and
offsets away from the fall line. Course may combine fall-line sections, angled sections, and curved
sections. Turns are a mixture of short-radius and medium-radius.
• Sloped surfaces of moderate pitch are used. (Suggestion 3% to 8% grade.)
• Cone Spacing Limits: 1.5m to 4.5m
• Cone Spacing Suggestion: 2.0m to 3.0m
• Course Length: 25 to 100 cones (Suggestion: 50 cones)
8.6 Giant Slalom (GS)
• Course Intent: Test the racer’s ability to make a variety of short, medium, and long-radius tur
through the course. The course should use the full width of the racing surface, with the course
curving a smooth path down the hill. May be run single-lane or dual, depending on road width.
Speeds are higher than the Slalom events. Racers tuck occasionally for short intervals.
• Sloped surfaces of moderately-steep pitch are used. (Suggestion 3% to 10% grade.)
• Cone Spacing Limits: 2.0m to 10m
• Cone Spacing Suggestion: 3.0m to 5.0m
• Course Length: 20 to 100 cones. (Suggestion: 40 cones)
8.7 Super-GS (SGS)
• Course Intent: Test the racer’s ability to make high-speed long-radius turns through the course.
The course should use the full width of the racing surface, with the course curving a smooth path
down the hill. Speeds are much higher than the Slalom events. Racers turn while tucking for
whole subsections of the course. The cones shall determine the turning points, not just the
curves in the road (to distinguish from downhill racing).
• Sloped surfaces of moderately-steep pitch are used. The road follows several natural curves and
changes of pitch. (Suggestion 3% to 10% overall grade.)
• Cone Spacing Limits: 3.0m to 20m
• Cone Spacing Suggestion: 5m to 15m
• Course Length: 20 to 100 cones. (Suggestion: 40 cones)
8.8 Course Setting
The race organizer is responsible for setting the course. The method used shall be clearly stated in
the race sanction application. (Who will set the course, description of course, when will course be
set, etc.)

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Sorry. Nothing about Slalom Cross.
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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:57 am

So why has this event not been moved to the "non-slalom contest schedule"?

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Post by Steve Collins » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:19 am

You must be referring to the Burningwheelstour Luzern Boardercross on August 15th. I'll move it.

There also isn't a category for banked slalom/ditch slalom or park slalom...

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:29 am

Yes, that's the one. Thanks Steve.

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:30 am

The race in Australia has both. Slalom and a ditch race.

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Post by Steve Collins » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:32 am

I wasn't referring to a specific race. If it has slalom at all it goes on the calendar.

Would you agree that there should be a slalom category for ditch/bank/park?

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:40 am

Oh.

I believe we've always included "alternative" slalom in the slalom calendar.

What I thought Ramon was referring to was if such a race can be SANCTIONED or a points-worthy race at an event. As of right now we only sanction going down a hill through cones. Going over ditches, around hay bales and off of walls isn't in our rules.

So, I would say we can list such an event on the "slalom-exlusive" calendar but it won't earn anyone any points.

Does that make sense?

(Steve, if there's no dissent and everyone concurs feel free to delete all this stuff or move it to some other topic.)
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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:41 am

Yes. I would definitely count a race such as the Indian School Ditch Slap in Albuquerque.

It's just like a GS but not on a road. The rules don't state it has to be on a road.


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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:43 am

Wesley Tucker wrote: What I thought Ramon was referring to was if such a race can be SANCTIONED or a points-worthy race at an event. As of right now we only sanction going down a hill through cones. Going over ditches, around hay bales and off of walls isn't in our rules.
Hm, is a ditch considered an additional obstacle or just a crappy road?

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Post by Steve Collins » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:04 am

I'd consider a ditch an enhancement really.

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:25 am

Sorry, I forgot.

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aka

Land of enhancement

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Post by Pat Chewning » Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:46 am

Slalomcross and ditches are not prohibited by the ISSA rules.

If you have cones and are going around them, if the skating surface happens to be banked (like a ditch or a pool), then that's OK.

If you have cones and are going around them, and if the courses converge for awhile and then diverge, then I think this is also OK.

In my opinion, the banked slalom is a minor alteration to normal slalom. (And could therefore be permitted in MAIN/MAJOR competitions).

In my opinion, the slalomcross where the courses converge and then would have to have modifed rules for cone penalties -- this is a major alteration to normal slalom (And could therefore be permitted in PRIME or BASIC competitions).

The Oregon State Games (PRIME) will have a slalomcross event. It is sanctioned by the ISSA already.


Some of this was discussed earlier:
http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/phpBB ... php?t=4709

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Post by Donald Campbell » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:43 am

f&%$§ those rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

who cares as long as it is fun?

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Post by Spike Taylor » Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:13 pm

I had a go at a Snowboard Cross track in France last month, are the skate ones similar, rollers, banks and small jumps?

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:51 pm

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Post by Pat Chewning » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:29 am

Ramon:

I agree that the video shows banked slalom and it should be allowed to be sanctioned.

There is no rule against having banks and jumps and other interesting terrain in the slalom course.

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:35 am

But what is in the video and does not comply with the ISSA rules are Skyhooks. ;)

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Post by Jani Soderhall » Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:08 am

Maybe we have to separate "sanction" and "ranking". Boarder Cross is cool, but you can't really mix it with GS results or any of the other categories we have in the slalom ranking. Or, maybe we can?

I wouldn't worry too much about the sky hooks. If all else is solved, that could be solved too. For example it could be authorized only in the Boarder Cross category.

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