ISSA - International Slalom Skateboarding Association

It would have been so great to have the two events just one after the other.
The true allaround skaters could have show up from all over the world:
pool - slalom - speed downhill!!

Mmm....nice, very nice!!!


rmn

i wanna go to brixlegg.
but i also wanna go to scheid.
it's both gonna be bigg.
all skater please unite.

2006 euro downhill tripleheader

we see us in brixlegg.

some words from me.

hans, we don´t laugh about your world ranking system. your system is good and it is interesting for racers. if somebody laugh about the ranking system, then present your own ranking version. let´s stay together.

my website www.skateboardworldcup.com is open for everybody. i appreciate all race organizers to use this webadress as a portal for all slalom races. on this side you can see all the important races in 2006 on one site. just push the link button for your favourite countrie or city. no more searching for competition websites. free for every race organizer.
just send me an email info@soulstyle.de

congratulations donald. hannover will show up in brixlegg.

for the growing of the sport. good races are beeter than bad races. but for the growing of the sport, we prefer to work on the base. after our race we decide to work with interested skaters. each tuesday we offer free slalom practise. now, we have the official cones, we have boards and we have the place to race. hmm, place to race, not bad. don´t forget this. we show interested skaters how to be fast at a track. that´s how we help slalom to grow.

european world cup? what´s that? is it european or is it world?

i have my toast for the new season of slalom skateboarding on the north shore of hawaii, see you next year.

too buzy to discute and defend my race now.
Ok friends, I think I stop fighting for the world championship and just want Antibes to be the last main of the season. Some details to see with the city for the next edition (place, accomodations, date...) What is sure is that. Antibes will stay a nice race front the sea and all the staff will try to make you having fun during this week end. I would like to think all those who believe in us. I expect you'll play the game behing present next year.

Congratulation to Donald who will have now all the pressure on his shoulders after proposing so and so nice things and amazing price money. What can I say :Good luck.
I'll be there.

My main reason to vote for Brixlegg is that I can rip the park after getting kicked in the qualification. To be honest: The park alone is more reason for me to travel there than the slalom race which will be great anyway.

Calendar is updated.-

If we can assume that Donald and his crew will run the Worlds for 2006 then a big Congrats to all of you for getting so much together so early for the rest of us to plan.

I guess I will have to train for the 2006 season if I'm going to act and perform like a world class Slalom Skateboarder at 47.

There is a whole new crew of young uns to beat up on as well as several well aged veterans.

Good Luck to everyone hosting and participating in events for 2006. Let's have a toast at midnight on New Years Eve for the Greatest Year in Slalom Skateboard history to date. More to come, Eh!

thanks jani

another add-on for the website will be a forum .
the function of the forum will be to gather and give as much info as possible for the races and the tracks involved.
also a great place for improvements.
i'll listen to each and everybody and everything will be evaluated by me and chris and if positive in any way,it will be used.
we do have lots of ideas ourselves for this event.
next year the riders will also see a spreadsheet of the actual track,which will help to memorize different sections of the gs course especially.the spreadsheet will be at the starting ramps and might be a great help to some riders.
some of you will have their 100 cone challenge there for sure-gear up and stay in shape-this course will be very demanding,especially for your physics.
don't expect it to be relaxing and easy.you will have the same feeling-even worse-than having done a difficult ,long tight.
i thought i'd share a bit if anybody's interested.
besides that i'm fully aware that these will be the first world-championships on european ground,i do have helping hands all around me,i might need a bit help here and there from time to time,the rest of the worldshould see brixlegg as an example of how good things can be done,here in europe.
if the others like what we offered and talk about it in good words,then we really have achieved something very big.
all my work and strength will go towards that final goal,chris will do the same-we are on the same line,we both know about the heavy burden upon our shoulders,we will be strong enough to fulfill what,especially i, promised.
inbetween all you europeans--TRAIN HARD--time to show everybody how good the euros are,that's your thing to do for next year.
i'm just setting the stage-you are the ACTORS.

Now that we've had the debate open for several weeks, maybe it's time to conclude.
Although Pierre seems to ready to defend this event being the Worlds 2006, there's does not seem to be enough fighting from his side. OK, he has his internet trouble, but for such an important decision, maybe it's worth to log in from somewhere else.

Donald, despite having proclaimed himself the Worlds organizer and talking too fast and strong for his own good, has solid support and could very well pull off a great event.

My conclusion would be that Donald and Brixlegg gets the World Championships 2006.
Antibes with the calendar (and weather) advantage becomes the last event of 2006 in Europe and thus will gather plenty of participants anyway. If we do a European World Cup series (using Dete's website etc) it'll be an important event as it is closing the season and it'll be the last chance to earn good points in 2006.

Now it's time to battle for the Main and Prime statuses of 2006 (in another topic, thanks).

Donald, you've set the level. Don't disappoint us now! If you need help to reach your objectives, ask for it. There's plenty of skaters out there ready to give a helping hand. This first World Championship ever (!!) in Europe is important for us all!

Full steam ahead!

I would have liked the voting to have taken place, but time is running and I haven't got the time to a) defend it b) make it happen. With the arguments we've seen over the last few weeks I think it's fair to say that Donald have the strongest cards in his hands. Sure there are arguments against (yes, many) but on the other hand he's promising to put a lot of energy into making this event one of the best so far. That in itself is honorable and what we need to provide new exciting events for the racers. Unless there are strong protests I'd say this debate is now closed.

Any closing arguments?
Any solid protests?
Any alternative solutions to end the discussion?

/Jani

Just some minutes to read all the commentaries.
Sorry my english is not so good than yours Donald and I don't always understand all the subtilities of what you say.
I expect I have more time tomorrow and anyway I 'll have internet again at home in 2 weeks.

So one important thing for a world championship is to have : together best europeans and best americans on the same race. May be we can ask to the best 30 americans where they will be able to come next year.(sure best europeans will be in Brixxleg and Antibes) If 20 Americans come in Brixxleg and 5 in Antibes for sure Brixxleg will become the world championship and in this case Antibes can be the Eurochampionship or inverse. Let's them tell about that.

i am very pleased to announce that concrete wave magazine will be the international media partner for the upcoming brixlegg-world-championships.along with boardstein magazine from germany and rugged from carhartt the official representation of the sport and the event featured in them will be outstanding.
concrete wave will promote the event in the new upcoming buyers guide,heiko will receive a couple of 1000 for europe,which will be passed along then to skatehops and skaters.
also the event will be highlighted in the upcoming dvd release slated for spring next year.we are also talking about thousands of copies.along with that the event will be highlighted by ads in the magazine prior to the contest.
michael brooke promised at least a 4 page feature on the event in an issue following it,which looks also very promising.
besides that concrete wave will be giving away prizes for the amateurs also.

i want to take the chance and thank michael officially for the full support he is offering this event.

hey corky

no sweat

- Donald,
your sitting with a very good hand. Why are you sweating? Pierre is the one who should be sweating right now. He needs a miracle to get a winning hand. But miracles do happen and I prefer waiting until all the cards are on the table. It's only fair for the sake of it to give Pierre or anybody else in the future some time to get their cards together. And since Pierre still havent thrown in the towell at least he still thinks he got something that he can pull out from his sleeve.

Whatever happens, Brixlegg and Antibes are already booked in my calendar.

- Heiko and laughing friends,
Why not start looking at the World Ranking Forum or the World Ranking website.
Take advantage to laugh at Heiko's World Rank placement as fast as you can because soon it will be him laughing at you.

good idea jani,antibes will be good for collecting some extra points,if needed.

brixlegg will be good for having the best of both worlds of skateboarding.

brixlegg is the world-championship place next year-nothing else and that's what i will do.

my input into the european slalom scene will show benefits for the whole sport and so,in the end,being a shouter helps the sport grow.
another thing i want to mention,besides being very early in announcing this contest is,that i also had problems being online,since my store moved.but i find it rather important to show presence when heading into any discussion.and if i were in somebody elses shoes i would have made sure that i am online each day to see and follow an important discussion.
that's what i see you have to do,if you are serious about a thing,anything else is not determined enough and totally unacceptable for anybody who wants to do the worlds.


on a side note:the above comment is not coming directly from my mouth,but i have to fully agree on the statement made by some of my closest friends.

jani,no disrespect,but i have shown enough already,more than you have ever had as a promise here on this forum ,there's no denying that.
for me and most of the involved racers,the discussion is over.
i also respect what pierre has been doing in the past,i really respect everybody,but right now i respect myself and my ideas and the commitment shown to me by my friends.
and this respect is a bit bigger than the other respect i am willing to share at the moment.

next year will show us who rules in slalomskateboarding


thank you all for listening and supporting/critizing/whatever me.


detailed info will be available at the website.

i will pull it through no matter what

Yes Don this the right way. Nearly nobody beside JRAD here in this forum speaks clear and says what he thinks. All the blabla and we do decide it now and then brings nothing. We need facts no more blabla.

Most of the good skaters come for a good race, price money, the skatepark... and not to get some world ranking points. I know a lot of guys who laugh about the whole ranking system. I think the system is ok and it works but don´t take it too serious when only 2 people decide about the whole ranking, contests or whatever.

See you on the Worlds in Brixxleg...Skate or Die.

I'm convinced that both of these events will attract a fair amount of skaters from all over.

If Brixlegg gets the Worlds title Antibes will still have the advantage of being the last (main) event of the year in Europe. That's an important race for those that want to earn more points in the World Ranking. We could also make it the final event of the European World Cup 2006 series and if we create a classification for the overall World Cup results that event will be equally important.

Donald, can we give Pierre a few days to come online again?

/Jani

something else to chew on:
just got word from some nice guys in the skateboard racing scene,namely:
jason mitchell
kenny mollica
they will come to brixlegg,they want to race the park and have a good time skating
the rest will follow
you know what that means eh?


i will pull it through no matter what

dear pierre:
my place is in construction,design,on the tracks-trust me.ask around and you will see that i am definitely what i say i am.
i am taking my time off from my regular work to be here and present
no private votes will be accepted from my side anyway,since the contest is of public interest.
unless you start building a skatepark and increase the length of your tracks 10fold i already know the decision of the public.
i am doing this for the public with the best package ever offered so far.
sorry,no smilies just my comment.

also,refer to my previous list of riders voting for my event,there are quite a few top pros in there.
see you in brixlegg next year and hey-no hard feelings!!!!

Just back for a few minutes from my work.

No more internet line since september 8 th so I can't challenge with you on this forum Donald. My place is on the slope not behind a computer.
No confusion about what I can think. I apreciate what you propose and for sure be present in Brixxleg. I can only say that Antibes crew get a good experience.

I read quickly the 3 pages of discussion. I'm just waiting to be connected soon and I expect I will have time to answer and defend my event.
Riders from the world have to take the decision that's the only way I'm sure. With a private vote... for those who are afraid of Donald

C'mon!

I'm getting some 101's for the front and I'll go back to putting 2 narrow In-line wheels on the rear! I LUV Fresh Pavement

Less dirt to remove when you eat it, LOL ......................................

Marcus Seyffarth wrote:

Ramón Königshausen wrote:Hm...98A Avalons required!

Ramon didn't your sponsor let you know that those wheels are not being made anymore? Hotspots? Ring a bell?

Have you ever seen ninety-EIGHT A Avalons?



rmn

http://nona.net/features/map/placedetail.430892/#

Oh yeah Marcus, at the start of winter the local goats head down the valley from the Tirol hillsides on wheeled planks torn from the side of mountain rescue huts. The new tarmac facilitates their out-running of the fast moving glacier flow and helps them to avoid the amorous advances of the course-handed woodmen.

Images of this peculiar event were purportedly enshrined in woodcut by the Wiener Werkstatte at the turn of the century. Unfortunately most of the prints were later regarded as "degenerate" and destroyed for their impurity against the "new order."

Any that now remain are highly sought after by milkmen.

1%.

so you cannot have the next four or five in a row in Europe as someone suggested.

That was me............

I just said this because to this time only Euros debated about organising the worlds. If we can have the Worlds around the World in a new country every year that would be great, Maybe it will take a while until the Worlds will be in Switzerland or even Germany but I will still skate slalom at 70, so I have time................

Sam Gordon wrote:What hasn't been mentioned is that these will be new courses for 99% of all slalom racers

So who is that 1% bastard that is already running the course?

Ramón Königshausen wrote:Hm...98A Avalons required!

Ramon didn't your sponsor let you know that those wheels are not being made anymore? Hotspots? Ring a bell?

Donald Campbell wrote:#12
brixlegg does have very good and stable weather periods during july.hot and dry mostly throughout this month during the last 10 years.

Ask any Swede about the normal weather of mid July in Stockholm...



Anyways, it's good fun watching this. I'll do my best to be there whatever comes out of this debate. At both races that is. If I find Brixlegg on the map of course

ummm sorry claude forgot you?
damn
it's good to have some support from you guys,also from my friends from the uk,thanks guys.

claude:one of my main goals is to have the world championships travel around the world,i'm with you on what you are trying to do.

Hey Donald! You missed me, EH!

Everything you are proposing is excellent. We support it fully. We will work around the date to make sure we will attend.

Canada particularly Ottawa will also propose to hold a World Cahmpionship in the near future so you cannot have the next four or five in a row in Europe as someone suggested.

We should be trying to alternate them form now on.

Paul Price and Sam Gordon:

So good you named us twice!

It's good to see criteria and clarity for future Worlds events coming out of this disussion.
What hasn't been mentioned is that these will be new courses for 99% of all slalom racers, especially given the recent resurfacing.
This all helps towards making the Worlds a level playing field.

Um, 78A Avolons for me please. And a lot of lip.

Donald Campbell wrote: special and tight courses will be held on freshly paved ground in the city

Hm...98A Avalons required!

rmn

add ons from donald:

a list of names that popped up on the net during the last few months with positive comments and "go for it" comments regarding brixlegg.please feel free to search only this forum for the names and comments on the brixlegg world championships 2006
christoph baumann(he doesn't post anywhere,but he wants to see brixlegg happening)
steve hinzen
paul price
samgordon
heiko schöller
sven lippert
peter darius
jeff goad
yoyo shultz
ramon königshausen
vincent berruchon
chris eggers
chris barrett
martin siegrist
chris hart
daniel gesmer
gary fluitt
the carrascos
paul price
sam gordon
jack smith
david rudnianski
huynh bach sac frederic
martin drayton
i also know that the german and english skaters are almost 100% for the proposed location.without taking this too far i am not adding the names of the american side being involved in this race and the planning of what will happen there.
there's also a strong flow coming from the swiss(airflow) side.
i might have forgotten a few names,but hey... i did my homework.

#1 on the sponsor list a few very popular names in slalom-skateboarding are not mentioned yet,which i do on purpose-they will show up soon enough once the preliminary steps are taken.i can say so much that pavel,airflow and kaliber are in the boat -which doesn't spell big money but lots of help and support from the european side.
i am actually trying to follow through on the idea and keep this event totally skate-company sponsored.
again the 10.000 euros prize money are confirmed and the biggest purse ever to be paid out on any slalom event.this should not be forgotten and will be a big magnet for our friends from the usa to come over-besides the skatepark!
#2
the crew at hand is also the organizing crew of all etnies european open challenges and other big skate events-absoluteyl responsible and very experienced skaters!!!!
#5
the austrian tourist agencey will promote this event through their media sources from beginning of next year as a touristic highlight for the summer of 2006.
i month prior to the race local tv-stations and radio stations promote the event.
also flyers and posters circulated throughout austria,germany,and parts of the usa/canada.
#6
racers that already ok'ed their arrival see above list without adding that many more will come to this event,due to the skatepark,which is world-famous and also host of the race.
#8
refer to the promotional output before the race done by me and the tyrol tourist oragnisation,check the crowd then.

#9

the gs course has very good ground-better than in antibes -no cracks or splits on the surface,smooth asphalt.
special and tight courses will be held on freshly paved ground in the city-thanks again to the mayor of brixlegg.
we do have a shuttle bus at hand for the gs,since it might take too long to walk up to the start again.shuttle service is free for all riders.
start ramps will be brand new and not anything of low quality.
#10
freestyle demo by some of the worlds best riders
20 young guns entering the park race-already confirmed.
highest corner air contest
highest cradle carve contest
carhartt is sponsoring free food and drinks-and i have to mention that the food will be quality food-good stuff.i have to explicitely mention that,since they were so generous to offer this to me and i also had the chance to see how good the stuff is they offer during eventy such as ispo f.e.
one of the carhartt guys is dj and he wants to host an afterparty in the park which is cool for hanging around having good skatesessions under the floodlight.
we had that once and it took all night for most of the people being there.
the award ceremony will also be held in the park and will be different from any other award ceremony you have ever seen.
#12
brixlegg does have very good and stable weather periods during july.hot and dry mostly throughout this month during the last 10 years.

these are my add-ons.

anybody else who felt hurt in his feelings in any way,excuse me,people who know me,also know that i go for it and almost nothing can stop me when i'm behind something because i'm more than 100%.

just trying to push the right buttons in order to set new standards.

thanks for listening to me...




and by the way:it's better to speak out than to shut up.

FSU
DON

So there are two proposals for the World Championships...
- Antibes
- Brixlegg

I have tried to fill the points with info from what has been said. Feel free to correct or add anything you like, Donald and Pierre.

1. Prize money / sponsors

Brixlegg: 10.000euros carhartt vans eastpak-the big sponsors

Antibes: difficult for me to say how many price money we will have. "I'm working with xtreme sport since 20 years now and know how dangerous it is to announce SO early 10000 euros price money.... I think I won't be able to propose so much money.
we have already started to prospect and Europe 2, Banque national de Paris, Pirhana drink, Desillusion Mag, Newrider, Nowave, Sector 9, Aluflex, Silverspace, Coneracing, SC8, Scult, Smallaxe, Desaxe, Dantonku, Sybergiecad, Texas Instrument, Fédération Francaise de Roller Skating, Nice Matin, Conseil general des Alpes Maritime...and other should be partners of the event.

2. Organisation (experience, race responsible, No of persons in organization)

Brixlegg: me and chris hart are gonna show you how we think a big race should be held.chris' experience in organizing races speaks for itself in this case.
brixlegg itself is gonna promote the event through their media presentation for next year as a highlight during the summer season. These guys are pulling some strings and putting very much effort into the project. I have a staff of approx.15 adults/skaters-by the way and 20 kids fromthe park for organisation. Gesmer is time guru.

Antibes: A solid crew. 5 responsable people to organise. More than 30 the d day on the race. We are used each years to see new important race project in Italia, Germany or Sweden.
The result isn't always so good the organisers expect.
About Antibes there will be no bad surprise.

3. Location (flights/travel, sourroundings, big city, countryside, wood, park, inside)

Brixlegg: munich and innsbruck airports are close by,brixlegg is located in tyrol,austrian alps,valley,outside event

Antibes: Nice Airport, Small city by the sea, beaches

4. Accommodation (cheap, helping out with reservations)

Brixlegg: accomodation goes from 20 -50 euros per night depending on what you want.20 starts with a real breakfast and private accomondation-which i can highly recommend.i did NOt find anything else comparable to this offer yet.accomodation will be reserved over the event page and in close contact to the local skatepark crew and the tourist office-everybody gets a room close by the tracks.

Antibes: 100 places (about 20 euros by night with breakfast) front the sea in a Youth Hostel which we will totally reserve for the event and the racers.(200 hundreds meter from the race)

5. Communication/media (TV, papers, magazines, web sites)

Brixlegg: dsf and a european channel will report from this race,posters and flyers will forecast the event.circulation through austrian and german skate-mags,shipping to certain overseas (us) regions too.
german skate mag
international skate mag
european lifestyle mag
will be featured on :
www.brixlegg-championships.com
www.carhartt.com
www.boardstein.com

Antibes: 2 national channel + 1 sport cable channel
Several radios and papers to cover the event
Several specialist magazine to cover the event
AN OFFICIAL INTERNET SITE (ready soon)

6. Racers (last year level, coming from far away/long distance, other regions)

Brixlegg:

Antibes: Who already come in Antibes? : Luca, Kenny, Jason Mitchell, Dong, Straubel, Hart , Konighausen, Price, Soderhall.... all this guy are or was in the 10 first world ranking
You can ask to all of them what they think about Antibes. The best racer of each country will be invited by the organisation (lodge, entry fee...)

7. History (What edition?, First one?, General skate history)

Brixlegg: 2nd edition. first one was very successful-ask the people who were there to witness the huge potential of brixlegg.maybe it's also unnecessary to do that-these folks already posted what they experienced.
general skate history-you gotta be kidding me...

Antibes: 4 years experience

8. Large audience (chance to get a big crowd?)

Brixlegg: combined with a big skatepark race there will be a large crowd.
Antibes:

9. Race quality (Surface, hill/flat, width, length, startramps, food/beverage, shops, Disciplines#, days#)

Brixlegg: longest gs course in europe-leading into a valley-see previous videos,already posted
frshly paved innercity course for special and tight.
perfect ground start ramps?
you all know what i want and how much i critizise-so...you will see
free food and drinks by carhartt.
3 days skatepark race super g special tight
the overall champion will be awarded the money after all events are over.

Antibes: 3 days of races. One on the flat Salice parking and 2 on the Garoupe hill
SPECIAL, TIGHT, GIANT.


10. Added animation/happenings (Other events than slalom, demos, shows, parties)

Brixlegg: skatepark race-once again
afterparty

Antibes: NATION's SLALOM and a CROSS COUNTRY round the Cap d'Antibes.
Animation with child slalom, freestyle demo...
Barbecue on the beach with live music on Friday evening
Disco party in a private place on Saturday night

11. Dates (Worlds at what point during the season)

Brixlegg: july 21st-23rd

Antibes: middle of September as usual. Good period to have the World Championship

12. Other advantages

Brixlegg: immediate broadcast of results through the internet-first day race results and pics.
most of you were unable to that yet.but this is so important.
the park race will definitely attract a lot of new kids/guys for the event-that's for sure.
i already have 20 kids signed up for the park race-20 FRESH young kids hahahaha
my promotion is based on and with serious skate-magazines/companies.
different from anybody else.

My American friends are 100% behind what i want to do.
i am following the ideas and visions of mccree and hackett when i'm doing this event-that counts for me as the biggest plus.
like it or not-that's the way it's going to happen,which will bring slalom definitely to the next level.
the contest will be invitational-since we are talking about the worlds here.
i will reserve the right to have 20 wildcards for amateurs and 10 for pros.
the courses will be set according to world-championship standards.
the schedule will be different from any other race i attended yet.no more wating here.

Antibes: Wheather! The only thing we can't control, but Antibes have better chance than (Paris, Stockholm, Grueningen, Brixlegg or other) just have a look to the past.

No, not today! It's already been a bad day.

(Police caught us on the Grimselpass...hehe)

rmn

It was just a idea. I said only which way i would take.

Jani will make the methode which will be take. Which method he ever takes, i'm behind it.

It was the time to say what i think and i did it. Now it's time to chose the method and make a Voting for the World's.

btw: not today...

/J-Rad

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds....

rmn

huh?

are you on drugs?

No, only two.

Vinz reaction was on the first sentence

They don't know much about Europe !

Your reaciton was on Vinz's word's.


Just it is...

good thought ramon

way to go

huh....this is a real source for psycological/philosophical thoughts!

Importance or no importance? Influence or no influence? Scene or no scene? One or two Worlds?
Tea or Coffee?

What about the top 32 Pro Riders, why don't they get a vote each?
how about pure democracy?

[For me it's Brixlegg, plain as day]

rmn

so you're saying that there is 3 people misunderstanding you,j-rad?

Vinz and Don,
you missunderstand the things.


Jani asked:

Why should the Americans not be allowed to vote?

I answered because they don't know much about Europe. Example: the klima in the region's
If you don't know much, than it's hard to do a Vote.

The same for us ! We needn't to decide where the World's should be in the USA. The organizers can make the decision when they talk with each other.

that is my idea. A diffrent way than Jani's.
"organizers decide in their region"


Steve Hinzen wrote

Europe was very lucky this year to see the top american riders on our continent two times this year. Nobody knows if this will be possible next year. I wish this will come true. But for simple budgetary reasons american riders might have to select only one participation in an european contest.

my answer was, The most slalom people aren't poor. And it's possible to come more than one time over, the same for us.

I don't understand why you write such things "are they from another World" "excluding the others racers from across the ocean" and so on.

I know the most of the people there and they know me. I was two times there the past year. And i would never exclude anyone of them. What i wanted to say, that it's easier for each side of the Atlantic to decide about the World's in their region. nothing else.

/J-Rad

j-rad are you from another planet?

excluding the others racers from across the ocean sounds like a total laugh to me.

this would be the most arrogant thing to ever do,absolutely unacceptable and also unthinkable.


here's a scenario for all to consider:
since the usa have their own slalom association now,which seems to have a rich monetary background and some powerful personalities aboard,the next thing that could and would happen after such an action,would be that they declare their own world-championships without asking or caring for the rest of the world.
a perfect way to split the slalom scene in two halves,just when it seems to grow more and more together,which delivered some of the best events this year ever to be witnessed.people who were either at paris or stockholm were the lucky ones-everybody else missed out on some of the best skating ever.

so the american side has to be a partner in the decision:


who wants to creat the list of names needed for that decision?
are we gonna debate on who should be named and asked?


and who is able to contact each of those riders immediately and get a result/vote from our friends within a week f.e.?


lots of tasks and no time to waste

carry on

Jadranko Radovanovic wrote:Sorry guy's me again.

Why they shouldn't vote:

Because the most of them didn't know much about Europe !
..blalbla..

oh.. interesting
so they (US people) are from another World than the one we have in Europe
Is Swiss really in our World too?

Sorry guy's me again.

Why they shouldn't vote:

Because the most of them didn't know much about Europe !

If i have only one chance to go to US to race, what would i Vote ?

I would Vote for the Contest which has the best chance that it doesn't rain and doesn't be canceled because of the weather.

Did any of us want to Vote which Status an American Contest should have ? I don't want to do it, because i don't know much about US.
I participate in Morro, I participate in West Virginia, I skated in Chicago and I participate in Athens. I saw there bigger and smaler competitions and i don't understand either why i should Vote for the Statuses there, only because i have payed my 25 $ to ISSA ?

The most people in the Slalom comunity aren't poor ! Make sponsorchips for those who can't buy a plane ticket. We did it last year in Grueningen. The two best rider's from the Russian competition won the ticket's to Grueningen ! And we will do it next year as well !

btw: we had every year participants from US, and it was never a World Championchips in Grueningen.

think about...
my last post in this Topic

/J-Rad

Especially given that we should allow new members to join before the final vote.

Where can I buy the right to vote?
How many votes can I buy?

Just laughin´.

Why should the Americans not be allowed to vote? They have a strong interest in this event as well.

Damn right, Jani. They do! Because it is at the major contest where they can make points for the world title 2006.

Europe was very lucky this year to see the top american riders on our continent two times this year. Nobody knows if this will be possible next year. I wish this will come true. But for simple budgetary reasons american riders might have to select only one participation in an european contest.

Every european organizer of a World Championship should be interested in a strong participation of the american riders. Their participation is a garantee for a "real" World Championship. The generell level of riding will rise and make the show more attractive. Next year american riders will be our guests again from the other side of the atlantic. So they definitely should have to say a word about where the Worlds should happen.

J-Rad, your method is good because it allows us to compare each of the actual quality parameters which constitutes a race. I strongly prefer your method for the decision of which competition gets which status next year.

Jadranko wrote:not counting the site cost payer from this year

If you do count them (which of course we should) Switzerland gets 4 votes, Germany 1 more and US 7 more. There is also a list, although not very long, of others who have paid their contribution to the ISSA. I have not yet published the full list. Actually I thought it was more interesting to discuss the principle rather than the actual (current) list. Especially given that we should allow new members to join before the final vote. With this method we have a group who care enough about the future direction of this sport. The larger it gets the more accurate such voting would be. The list would quickly grow as soon as we request monthly site cost sponsors for 2006, which is near anyway.

Jadranko wrote:i can't understand why the people on the list (most from US) has to decide

Why should the Americans not be allowed to vote? They have a strong interest in this event as well.

Let's not forget both events will be awesome! And which ever way the decision is made, most racers will show up at both! I fully agree with Chris reasoning that it is the promotion of ethusiasm which is it the most important factor whether or not to go to a race. Sometimes one can be much more enthusiastic about going to a smaller event than the World or European Championships.

For the World Championships, I might still prefer the voting idea I posted. This is of general international interest. It's not a European only matter. For this part of the decision, maybe we could do J-Rads fact processing first and publish the outcome, then leave it up to members to vote.


If you want a third voting model, give votes to the top ranked skaters. Maybe it's the most reasonable way?

Can we have a few more post their opinions? And let's hear it from Donald and Pierre. Their opinions should be given priority.

/Jani

You know what I think: (personally)

I heard about the World Championships in Vancouver in 1986 and went
I heard about the Grüningen race in 2002 an went
I heard about the World Championships in Morro Bay in 2002 and went
I heard about the European Championships in Stockholm in 2005 and went
I hear about the World Championships in Brixlegg in 2006 an will go!


I don´t care how many spectators there will be or how much money is at stake. I see the effort the organisers make and I like the idea and the location and the date and I will be there. If Don or J.rad or Pierre or Axel or Detlef call and I find the time, money and enthusiasm in me I will go.
Don makes it this year, J-rad next, Piere in 2008, Detlef in 2009, we are covered, see. Fight less, skate more.

I don´t care about that, I am a skateboarder. Period.

Of course it's politics.

But a fair way of politics ! The people who are involved now and not those before 20 year's decide.
I saw the list and i can't understand why the people on the list (most from US) has to decide about the World's which will be held in Europe.

If we look to the votes:

50 Votes Total (not count the site cost payer from this year)

Votes per country:
USA: 24
Germany: 10
UK: 5
Sweden: 5
Russia: 2
Italy: 1
France: 2
Latvia: 1

21 US-Votes werent in Europe since the scene restarted in 2000.
The country who has every time the most representatives at all European races has no Votes.

If you want i can told you the result now without Voting.

The bad thing is that the money is taking place one more time.

But if this is the way, than do it...
We will see the result's...

/J-Rad

Listen to Jani, he is the only one in skateboard I know of whom been working for all disciplines. Like he wrote, his been there in every form and shape since 1980. I will surely be listening to what he has to say, Jani has the BIG PICTURE.

PK

Jadranko wrote:I don't know how fair it is, if all member's can vote, or did i understand some things wrong ?

If all can vote, than it's about how many people can you motivate to vote for you !

Sounds like politics. Isn't that what you do there?

Anyway my proposal was not to let everybody vote, that would create complete chaos and everybody would register their mom or grandpa. This method is slightly different because those who want to make their voice heard will have to be a paying member. That will surely limit the numbers. It'll also bring in some money to be used for some good causes (to be determined by the members, bib numbers for example!).

As there's already some 80 votes available it'll be quite hard for somebody to buy enough votes to change the general opinion of the members. It's probably better then to use your words to convince people with good arguments.

I'm not against your method J-Rad, it just happened that we both posted at the same time.

If we don't use the method now, it can still be used for other purposes, unless you tell me the idea is useless.

/Jani