RESULTS AT THE WORLDS

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Post by Erik Basil » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:56 pm

Marion is finalizing the Overall Finals spreadsheets as I post this. In the meantime, FULL RESULTS OF THE SLALOM WORLDS are published on Silverfish Longboarding.com.
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Post by heidi mckenzie » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:23 pm

thanks for standing up for marion and all his hard work! All of the DHB guys worked their asses off making a very fun event! Let's give these guys the credit they are due and be thankful they strive for accuracy on the results... love you DHB boys!!! wonder if marion has slept yet?
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Post by Michael Stride » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:56 pm

Thanks Wesly (And Marion for the PM)

Fact is there was a big hoo haaa about Silverfish being a media partner...a website I dont frequent, dont like etc etc etc.

The very least Id expect at a Worlds is the results (called preliminary if need be) the evening of the race.


So what was the Silverfish thing about...could no one report coherently back on even that site.

Nope.

So the media partner thing was a load of baloney.

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Post by Marion Karr » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:57 pm

Erik Basil wrote:Marion is finalizing the Overall Finals spreadsheets as I post this. In the meantime, FULL RESULTS OF THE SLALOM WORLDS are published on Silverfish Longboarding.com.
We are working on getting the full spread sheets up as well so that you can see all the detail.

The full list of OVERALL will be up later tomorrow as we are having to go through it in detail to determine which racers participated in all three events, two events only, or one event only.

Thank you for being patient as we are wrapping up all of the efforts from this weekend.
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Post by Cat Young » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:59 pm

It looks like Dom was helping out his elders!

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Showing some love at the World's.

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Kickin' it at the GS. What a FUN hill.

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Post by Marion Karr » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:51 am

Michael Stride wrote:Thanks Wesly (And Marion for the PM)

Fact is there was a big hoo haaa about Silverfish being a media partner...a website I dont frequent, dont like etc etc etc.

The very least Id expect at a Worlds is the results (called preliminary if need be) the evening of the race.


So what was the Silverfish thing about...could no one report coherently back on even that site.

Nope.

So the media partner thing was a load of baloney.
Silverfish was unfortunately working with the info they were receiving and the failure to communicate was on my end. I specifically focused all of my attention to race day on-site information for the participating racers and failed to consider those interested in the community who were not attending Racers had updated and timely access to data unencumbered and in a shaded environment with chairs. Silverfish was very supportive, ran a great deal of pre-race information, and was ready and willing to provide the reading public. So if you want to blame someone for the lack of timeliness of informaiton you can place that blame squarely on my shoulders.

In my haste to address the concern we have sent to Silverfish information that has a slight flaw in the overall placement of subsequent or lower level finish placement based on Qualifying time. We are making that correction but the flaw did not impact any of the top finishing places and our manual calcuations based on the brackets of the winners of both each dual event and the overall top 3. We will have the spread sheets up and corrected tomorrow but all data in the brackets themselves is correct. Only those places that depended on a reference to qualifying times for sortation are incorrect.

Again, I apologize to all of those internet spectators who were not able to receive timely updates.

For the Dixie Cup we will address this particular issue.
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Post by Erik Basil » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:04 am

Thanks, Marion.

We were stoked to be able to promote the Worlds and to have had Michael Brooke and other members of the 'Fish community posting results from the races --sometimes nearly in "real time" for some of the heats over the weekend.

Some people, and we all know who they are, can never be pleased, but others might not realize how much work you DHB crew were doing after each "day" of racing. I do, because I spent almost a week at the Maryhill Festival of Speed to cover and shoot the event. After a full day on the hill, it took HOURS to upload photos and then the daily standings, after the race officials were able to finalize the files and hand them to me. Such transfers usually took place around 2am and, like I know you were, the whole crew was up at 5am to get the next day rolling. So, I and a few others (including IGSA President Marcus Reitema, who raced the Worlds and was the guy handing me files at 2am in Goldendale)--certainly the DHB crew-- know that's it's not necessarily easy or convenient to post the excel spreadsheets each day as the racers walk off the hill. Personally, I think it's a lot to ask and that's one reason our team at Silverfish will sponsor with "sweat equity" to help get such things done.

This isn't to say that it's unreasonable for each and every one of us to crave photos and results, because I know I sure do. The slalom racers in distant lands, like the U.K., do also, according to the IP stats that spiked as information was posted over the weekend. I know you and your DHB crew are working hard and that you're now in the Very Most Thankless part of the race organizers' job: the aftermath.

In the meantime, we've got the translated results, and a link for free downloading of the Excel spreadsheets, available Right Here..

Tomorrow, when the amazing Downhillbillies update information, we'll update the files and data, too.
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Post by Mr Surly » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:08 am

It's obvious now that your issue[s] with Silverfish have more to do with your rant than not getting instant results. I'm glad that Marion has had time to go back to his family, career,
sleeping, and trying to have a normal life ... oh no ... wait, that's not good enough. "Get off your tired ass Marion and give us complete and detailed results!"

All of you should have been there ... it was a great time.
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The Worlds racing results

Post by Art Pryde » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:37 am

Unfortunately, I couldn't make it to the World's this year, or any other year, but give Marion and the DHB crew a break on the results!!!!

I am as interested in viewing the "spreadsheets" as anyone, but Marion and the DHB do need to get back to work, spending time with their families, sleeping and just sitting there doing nothing for a bit. Sure, there might have been a few communication gliches, but Marion and Eric (Silverfish), in one way or another, are both very committed to our slalom scene.

Hey Marion and DHB crew, take a breather for a few days, then post the full results....we will all still be living. I'm sure your race was first class.

Great job Lynn, Martin (I'm going to call you "Cool Breeze" for your deceptively fast smooth style), and all the Euros for crossing the pond!

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Post by Michael Stride » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:13 am

Well Eric, your amazing statistics need analyzing...

One reason why there is a 'spike' of interest in Silverfish from the UK was because we were told that was THE place for info.

I suspect a high proportion of veiws to Silverfish that your report were people checking back constantly to see if the results were there! Again and again....

A little less of a rose tinted, blinkered view might be in order? As we all know there are ..."lies, Damn lies and statistics".


Whilst I fully appreciate the time and effort involved in organising a race which sadly I couldnt attend, this almost 'live' reporting fromthe race never happened. What we got was the last four, or in one case the top 3 of a race result when in fact people who wernt at the race want to see the whole results to see how there friends were doing.

As it stand Silverfish was a complete waste of time.
And your right, I do have an issue with the 'fish....and that issue is about its wholly unrealistic interpretation of its website stats...one reason why we chose not to advertise with them...and also one reason why other UK companies dont anymore too.

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Post by Donald Campbell » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:21 am

hey jani
i'm easy just porking a bit here and there

some things we all should consider:
worlds have to have stuff available superfast
all this needs to be done either with existing spreadsheets or by an expert.
i walked this way last year and i used gesmers sheets and i had jani and corky
working on those sheets too,trying to avoid the chance of making big mistakes.
without their help i wouldn't have been able to get things done the way they were done.
i made my mistakes though and i learned from the process.
the day after the worlds i had to work in brixlegg wrapping things up and heading home.
i failed in posting the results on raceday-that was very bad.

if we want to be pro in what we are doing then things have to change.

i understand stride too.
he has his points which are just

if the "fish" is media partner for this very special event which is the climax of each season there are more things due than what has been done on that page.it is insufficient to tell people how stoked you are or whatever,this is no professional job on this end.
the "fish" is more a downhill/longboard forum than a slalom forum.
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Post by Peter Klang » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:54 am

Stop it now. Let’s focus on the race itself. From the report I received from Team Sweden, the race was KILLER. And that is VERY important. Look at the times, wow soooo close. Remember it was 15 second courses in Hybrid and TS. I think it’s refreshing with new names like Pappas , and that the obvious is not always so.

Everybody has comments on every race, included me, but from history I’ve learned that the races we go back to are the one we liked the most. I heard NC was a great race and I am pissed I missed it. I hope we can keep the flow of racers making the trip across the Atlantic both ways. I been to the US and A, and I recommend it to all Euros. The americanos have historically been better at making the effort. Keep up the good work and keep coming. I hope to see Kenny back next year, get well bro.

For the season 2008 I just have one point I want to make, get started now with plans and don’t tell the Europeans to plan there races according to your personal travel plans, the sport is small but bigger then you.

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Post by Michael Stride » Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:22 am

Of course the Swedes enjoyed the race!

They won! (and BIG congratulations too!)

We on the other hand pinned all our hopes on Sam Gordon, who can only come highly placed in Hugh Grant lookalike competitions.

Thats why we needed the resuts...most of the Brits thought that their compters couldnt scroll that far down.

(Tongue firmly in cheek, Michael)

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Post by Peter Klang » Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:00 am

Well michael,
I dont think Göthberg and Hadestrand would agree, they are anything but happy about there results. Even though I told them they did great. Top 10 is great.

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:01 am

Hey I just got back from over there. My luggage is still in Frankfurt and I am sure Dominik has some things left behind in the big country, too. What I enjoyed most was meeting new faces and racing new competitors (such as George Pappas - we raced each other eight times this weekend!)

Also Kenny was there as a hilarious speaker ("Look at him, he's racing like a possessed animal!!!!")

The "TS" loosened up towards the bottom and that's why Janis was even using his GS board. I'm pretty content about twice having the best qualifying time but then got knocked out by the two physically very strong contestants Pirnack and Pappas.

Oh yeah, thanks to Marion who finally picked me up at the airport ;) and for all the organisation!

Well, that's it so far. An article with all about that event is about to come out I think....

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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:11 am

Thank you Ramon! Thats about the first informative sentances in this thread. When and where will there be a article? Will it be in Swiss or some language that I understand?

If the hybrid/TS was open I'm even more supprised you didn't win... But then again, the times posted in the pic above was very close.

Did Janis win on the C81?

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:07 pm

Me and Dominik already worked on it and it'll be in the English language.

Yes, Janis won on the C81 using the small wheelbase. And there was a TS and a Hybrid which should not be confuesed.

The TS was the same for Amateurs and Pros, maybe that'll help you understand the results a little bit better. - It was nice at the top but then opened up towards the end (about 15 cones) and that was where Pappas passed me (twice). Anyhow, it was a steep, fast road. Nothing comparable to what we're riding over here...

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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:28 pm

Nice... I wrote TS/Hybrid guessing that if the TS was open, then probably the Hybrid was even more open (which it of course should be).

Was the TS and the Hybrid on the same hill?

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Post by Mike Cividino » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:06 pm

same fast hill. Awesome race hill really. And the GS hill was the fastest yet this season, even with the head wind.
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Post by Jani Soderhall » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:35 pm

Marcus Seyffarth wrote:...the TS was open...
Don't let Ramon's remarks fool you.

GIANT
The fastest hill I've ever skated on. I never thought I would even ride from the top. But once in the race it was no big deal. The course was very easy. Too easy, but at least like that it was safe for everyone. It was fun!

HYBRID
Way too open for Euros, but considering the hill and the speed you got, it was just right for me. Guys like Janis needed quite a few races until he figured out how to race well on the course. No hybrid/special race would be held on such a hill in Europe. But now that we know it can be done, let's look for one!

TIGHT
Too tight for many Americans. Too open for Ramon and Janis. Too hard for many ams and juniors, girls. And me. It took me a few runs only to make the course. Then I got it sorted, but once in the race I couldn't keep the wiggling up, so I DQ'd twice. The first 27 cones were tight which gave you a lot of speed up to that point, then it was a bit irregular in cone spacing for a while, but larger than before going across some little bruises in the surface, also snaking down the hill. Finally opening up to closer to 8 foot for the last 15 cones or so, otherwise most people wouldn't make it to the finish line. The fact that quite a few racers didn't even enter the tight tells you that it wasn't tooo open. Cone counts also shows that the combined hill and course was a bit too much.

But the racing was great and the top Pros and Ams were just blazing through the courses. It was some of the most intense racing I've ever seen.

Marion, Surly, Dillon, Paul, the Computer Crew and all other DHB volunteers - Thanks for an exciting race!!!

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Post by Jeff Goad » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:01 pm

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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:28 pm

Jani Soderhall wrote:Cone counts also shows that the combined hill and course was a bit too much.
Still waiting for them...

Sounds like it was a lot of fun that I missed. Just as expected.

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Post by Marion Karr » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:06 pm

Here is the Formula we used to calculate the overall World Champion. This is the same method used by COSS for the US Nationals and we have tried to emulate what they do with our events:

Overall rankings will be calculated as follows:

- In each event, "equal" placings will be further ordered according to qualifying position (the 4 racers with "equal 5th" will be ordered 5-8).
- The sum of each racer's placings in the 3 individual events (GS, HS, TS) will be added together to produce an overall placing value.
- Racers will be sorted by overall placing values to compute the overall rankings (lowest number is best)
- In the case of a tie for overall placing between 2+ racers, the final results from the HS event will be used to break ties.

We will be publishing the complete list of OVERALL Placings later this evening but your TOP 10 for PRO and OPEN and Top 3 Women/Juniors are as follows:

PRO
MEN:

1 10 Henrik Wadsten
2 12 Gary Fluitt
3 13 Dave Pirnack
4 18 George Pappas
5 18 Jason Mitchell
6 19 Dominik Kowalski
7 23 Ramón Königshausen
8 29 Jonathan Harms (JBH)
9 33 Michael Dong
10 34 Mikael Hadestrand


OPEN MEN:
1 4 Martin Reaves
2 9 Zak Maytum
3 10 Joe McLaren
4 13 Brad"Jackhammer"Jackman
5 19 M iguel Marco
6 23 John Stryker
7 29 Louis Ricard
8 29 Karl Floitgraf
9 37 mike duquette
10 38 Kevin Dunne


WOMEN:
Lynn Kramer
Judi Oyama
Cat Young

Juniors:
Kyle McLaren
Josh Byrd
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Post by Marion Karr » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:43 pm

Spread sheets are over on the Fish ..and when I have time tonight I will have them available in PDF.
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Post by Jani Soderhall » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:34 pm

At the bottom of the list of the Tight slalom...

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24. Chris Bara                   17                    17.836                         24
25. Jeff Goad                    17                    20.726                         25
26. Jani Soderhall               26                    DQ / DQ                        26
26. Attila Aszodi                26                    DQ / DQ                        26
Goad, I want your secret as to how you managed to ride that course 3 secs slower than the rest of the guys! If I would have known I wouldn't have DQ'd. I just could keep the speed down and the wiggle up. Double DQ is a bummer.

Marion, do include myself and Attila in the Overall as three entries, obviously better placed than those with only 2 or less entries. Probably there were a few double DQ's the ams too that deserves the same treatment. It's important to have us all listed in the full results so that Corky assigns points to us in the World Ranking for participation. Giving it a try is obviously better than not entering. Thanks!

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Post by Marion Karr » Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:50 pm

Jani,
I am on it...I had you both included as 3 event participants. That is the format we are using...ranking racers in the OVERALL that have 3 events, then 2, then 1.
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Post by Jeff Goad » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:04 am

Jani Soderhall wrote: Goad, I want your secret as to how you managed to ride that course 3 secs slower than the rest of the guys! If I would have known I wouldn't have DQ'd. I just could keep the speed down and the wiggle up. Double DQ is a bummer.

/Jani
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someone checked my wheels when i was walking back up the hill(to see if i had cranked them down) but i use real precision-machined bearing spacers so crank all you want, all roll as tight as you can crank.

i just did not want to lose to you for the 2ed time in two days!

but i guess its the over all that counts.

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Post by Cat Young » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:56 pm

It was a great time---- a learning experience!

I really don't have much to compare, as I have only done a handfull of contests.

The hill on Wednesday was super fun! It was a great opener for the "real" contest. Even though there were some timing issues, everyone got plenty of runs.

The GS hill, I thought, was fun. Yes, it was a little flat on top, but that's where experience & technique (and yes, practice) come into play.
I now know I need a tremendous amount of practice on my flatland pumping.

The Hybrid, in my opinion, was challenging. Again, note to self........ flatland pumping, flatland pumping, flatland pumping!
Also, note to self....... practice ramp starts!

No lie..... I went to bed & dreamed about racing. I must have gone down the ramp into a course 500 times last night!

The TS course was also challenging for me & several others, judging by the spray of cones!

I was happy to meet the Swede's, the Brit's, Ramon, Janis & look forward to seeing everyone again next year in Sweden & Brixleg.
It's always good to see the Canadians, COSS, the Eat Coasters, Detroit Rock City, & all the Washington/Oregon peeps.
Thanks to Marion & all the DHB's for their hard work.

Hey Richy..... I didn't know you could speak Swedish! You had us laughing so hard, we were crying!

It was good seeing Dom again & a big thanks to Donald, Pavel & GOG for the continued support.

I appreciate everything & consider myself lucky to have found this sport.

See ya'll at the Pump Station and/or Colorado!
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Post by Jeff Goad » Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:36 am

Jeff Goad wrote:
Jani Soderhall wrote: Goad, I want your secret as to how you managed to ride that course 3 secs slower than the rest of the guys! If I would have known I wouldn't have DQ'd. I just could keep the speed down and the wiggle up. Double DQ is a bummer.

/Jani
dont ride a slalom board for 90 days?

someone checked my wheels when i was walking back up the hill(to see if i had cranked them down) but i use real precision-machined bearing spacers so crank all you want, all roll as tight as you can crank.

i just did not want to lose to you for the 2ed time in two days!

but i guess its the over all that counts.

maybe i should start to party?

i think out of 27 pros i got26 you 25
next year i make you look bad? you do you think? side bet?
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Post by Peter Klang » Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:21 am

i think out of 27 pros i got26 you 25
next year i make you look bad? you do you think? side bet?

Hey Jeff, you already make us all look bad, you are young and pretty :-)

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Hey Peter,
Do you know how Hasse did? I don't know if you remember me but I skated with you in Stockholm back in 1990. I was staying with Hasse and was good friends with Eric Larsen and Per Viking. I miss that crazy dude. Anyway, if you know how he did I'd like to know. Say hi to Per Shrimp for me........Fiber
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Post by Marion Karr » Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:30 pm

Tonight I will have the complete and corrected OVERALL list through the whole group adjusting for those skaters who did not compete in all three events.

Sorry for the delay but my real business has occupied me for a few days ...that making a living crap is for the birds.
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Post by Peter Klang » Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:15 pm

Hey Fiber, I know you, yeah man, Hasse came like 12 overall I think, whitsh I think his not happy about. I spoke to The chrimp just two days ago. You know, Per Viking is dead:-(

Say hello to Eric from me, and tell the bitch he can call me sometime.

Are you into slalom? if so, come race with us around the globe. Big race in GBG next year if you feel like comming back to Sweden.

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Post by Fiber Crabtree » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:20 pm

Hey Peter,
I just spoke to Eric today and told him that I sent you a message. He wanted to know whats going on with you. He called you an old man who can't give up skateboarding. Does Eric have your phone #?
I told Hasse last week that I want to go to Sweden next summer. When is the World Championship being held? Eric and I will come over and kick ass!
I heard about Per. Sucks! I also heard Per Shrimp is a rock star and getting more ass than he deserves!
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Post by Mike Ohm » Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:17 am

Can anyone e-mail me the elimination brackets from the Worlds. I have not been able to open the file on the other site.

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Post by Erik Basil » Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:09 am

Have you decompressed the file? The Excel spreadsheets are compressed with WinRar, a free utility that's similar to WinZip, and that you can download by Googling and clicking the link. JBHarms ran into the same trouble, so a kind soul also posted the decompressed, separate file links in a the one of the forum threads on that site, too.
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Post by Donald Campbell » Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:13 am

erik,did you decompress the file and generously make it available for the non sf people to have a look a it?
here on ss .com or on ncdsa?
it's a "community" thing...
maybe someone else can do so,my computer refuses he makros used in those files,marcus,jani?
here's the link o the download:
http://www.silverfishlongboarding.com/a ... --results/


World Championships of Slalom, 2007

Final Results

Giant Slalom: Pro Division



Name Best Time

1 Jason Mitchell 22.3404
2 Dominic Kowalski 22.5403
3 Henrik Wadsten 22.6611
4 Gary Fluitt 22.9563
5 Dave Pirnack 23.0923
6 Jonathan Harms 23.1482
7 Richy Carrasco 23.1642
8 Greg Fadell 23.1722
9 Noah Heinle 23.2362
10 Claude Regnier 23.2562
11 George Pappas 23.3123
12 Adam Schwippert 23.3482
13 Hans Gothberg 23.5159
14 Evan St. Clair 23.5402
15 Ramón Königshausen 23.5642
16 Chris Barker 23.5801
17 Mikael Hodestrand 23.6761
18 Michael Dong 23.7522
19 Mike Cividino 23.8673
20 Keith Hollien 24.1236
21 Bobby Mandarino 24.2401
22 Janis Kuzmins 24.2600
23 Paul Price 24.8519
24 Chris Bara 25.2480
25 Jani Soderhall 25.2999
26 Attila Aszodi 25.5649
27 Jeff Goad 26.5677
28 Bye


World Championships of Slalom, 2007
Final Results

Giant Slalom: Womens’ Division


Name Best Time

1 Lynn 25.1159
2 Cat 26.0521
3 Judi 26.5875
4 Ella 26.9636
5 Laura 28.3194
6 Julie 28.4194



World Championships of Slalom, 2007

Final Results

Giant Slalom: Open Division



Place Name Best Time

1 Martin Reaves 22.8526
2 Zak Maytum 23.1722
3 Brad Jackman 23.3002
4 Joe McLaren 23.3080
5 Miguel Marco 23.6082
6 mike duquette 23.8841
7 Karl Floitgraf 24.0201
8 John Stryker 24.0398
9 Marty Schaub 24.0521
10 James West 24.1801
11 Marcus Rietema 24.2201
12 Mike Ohm 24.2764
13 David Bevis 24.4546
14 Brian Parsons 24.4639
15 Kevin Dunne 24.4680
16 Shannon St. Clair 24.4721
17 Louis Ricard 24.4801
18 Michael Reiss 24.5999
19 Ricky Byrd 24.6200
20 Peter Klock 24.7034
21 SKIP 24.7040
22 Chris Miller 24.8919
23 Justin Collins 24.9639
24 Wax 24.9999
25 Mark Harris 25.1959
26 Rick Floyd 25.2240
27 Marion Karr 25.2552
28 Darren Holt 25.2599
29 Ethan White 25.3119
30 Sam Gordon 25.4919
31 Danilo Percich 25.5016
32 Brian "The Weez" 25.5079
33 Scott Moore 25.9038
34 Kyle McLaren 26.3035
35 Wesley Tucker 26.3597
36 Mark Kovachi 26.4157
37 Earl Cephas 26.5478



World Championships of Slalom, 2007

Final Results

Hybrid Slalom: Pro Division



Name Elimination Place Time Overall Place

Dave Pirnack 1 15.967 1
Gary Fluitt 2 15.934 2
Ramón Königshausen 3 15.417 3
George Pappas 4 16.063 4
Henrik Wadsten 5 15.949 5
Dominic Kowalski 5 16.01 6
Jason Mitchell 5 16.127 7
Mikael Hodestrand 5 16.276 8
Jonathan Harms 9 16.121 9
Chris Barker 9 16.148 10
Michael Dong 9 16.277 11
Hans Gothberg 9 16.279 12
Richy Carrasco 9 16.369 13
Greg Fadell 9 16.4 14
Claude Regnier 9 16.595 15
Janis Kuzmins 9 16.684 16
Evan St. Clair 17 16.319 17
Mike Cividino 17 16.321 18
Adam Schwippert 17 16.443 19
Keith Hollien 17 16.556 20
Noah Heinle 17 16.79 21
Bobby Mandarino 17 17.131 22
Paul Price 17 17.156 23
Jani Soderhall 17 17.385 24
Chris Bara 17 17.913 25
Jeff Goad 17 18.88 26
Attila Aszodi 17 19.364 27



World Championships of Slalom, 2007

Final Results

Hybrid Slalom: Women’s Division


NAME
Qualified as
Time in Final
RESULT

Lynn Kramer 1 17.57 1
Judi 2 18.337 2
Ella 3 19.021 3
Cat 4 18.64 4
Julie Boulanger 5 19.229 5
Sarah 5 23.012 6



World Championships of Slalom, 2007

Final Results

Hybrid Slalom: Open Division



Name Elimination Place Qualifying Time Overall Place

Joe McLaren 1 16.439 1
Martin Reaves 2 16.14 2
mike duquette 3 16.77 3
Ethan White 4 16.411 4
Zak Maytum 5 16.229 5
Miguel Marco 5 16.412 6
Brad Jackman 5 16.761 7
Louis Ricard 5 16.404 8
John Stryker 9 16.759 9
Justin Collins 9 16.856 10
Karl Floitgraf 9 16.901 11
Mike Ohm 9 16.917 12
Brian Parsons 9 17.046 13
Josh Byrd 9 17.168 14
Marcus Rietema 9 17.392 15
Kevin Dunne 9 17.847 16
Peter Klock 17 16.605 17
Brian "The Weez" 17 16.997 18
Marty Schaub 17 17.115 19
Shannon St. Clair 17 17.329 20
Danilo Percich 17 17.397 21
Mark Harris 17 17.487 22
Wax 17 17.541 23
Sam Gordon 17 17.543 24
Marion Karr 17 17.669 25
SKIP 17 17.797 26
Kyle McLaren 17 17.848 27
James West 17 17.958 28
Darren Holt 17 18.039 29
Chris Miller 17 18.139 30
Ricky Byrd 17 18.462 31
Scott Moore 17 18.816 32



World Championships of Slalom, 2007

Final Results

Tight Slalom: Pro Division



Name Elimination Place Qualifying Time Overall Place

Janis Kuzmins 1 15.531 1
Henrik Wadsten 2 15.557 2
George Pappas 3 15.778 3
Michael Dong 4 15.705 4
Ramón Königshausen 5 15.396 5
Gary Fluitt 5 15.468 6
Dave Pirnack 5 15.62 7
Chris Barker 5 15.677 8
Mikael Hodestrand 9 15.722 9
Jason Mitchell 9 15.831 10
Dominic Kowalski 9 16.125 11
Hans Gothberg 9 16.307 12
Claude Regnier 9 16.565 13
Jonathan Harms 9 16.579 14
Richy Carrasco 9 16.72 15
Adam Schwippert 9 16.731 16
Paul Price 17 16.469 17
Mike Cividino 17 16.511 18
Noah Heinle 17 16.612 19
Bobby Mandarino 17 16.636 20
Greg Fadell 17 17.12 21
Keith Hollien 17 17.177 22
Evan St. Clair 17 17.516 23
Chris Bara 17 17.836 24
Jeff Goad 17 20.726 25
Bye 17


World Championships of Slalom, 2007
Final Results

Tight Slalom: Womens’ Division


Name Raw Time Cones Result React Time


Lynn Kramer 16.1920 8 16.9920 0.2560
Judi 17.7770 7 18.4770 0.4360
Cat bye

World Championships of Slalom, 2007

Final Results

Tight Slalom: Open Division



Name Raw Time Cones Result React Time

Martin Reaves 15.5640 15.5640 0.0820
Zak Maytum 15.5630 2 15.9470 -0.0920
Brad Jackman 16.5140 2 16.7140 0.0700
Louis Ricard 16.3180 5 16.8180 0.3340

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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:13 am

I've seen the files thank you, and I'm not hosting them.

Since they are based on Chronocone I'm guessing they used computer based timing at the worlds, which is sad to see. It sucks, its inaccurate and I've said this so many times that I just wont repeat it once more.

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Post by Mike Ohm » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:47 pm

Thanks Donald! I really want to see the Open Tight placings as well as the elim rounds.

Erik, no I haven't tried that.
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Post by Erik Basil » Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:37 pm

Donald Campbell wrote:erik,did you decompress the file and generously make it available for the non sf people to have a look a it?
Yes, as posted above, the compressed files and the decompressed files are available for anyone to view, download, print, etc... The links here, including the one you used will all work. Bitte shon, amigo. We're happy to be of help.
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Post by Jani Soderhall » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:42 pm

Marcus Seyffarth wrote:Since they are based on Chronocone I'm guessing they used computer based timing at the worlds, which is sad to see. It sucks, its inaccurate and I've said this so many times that I just wont repeat it once more.
Marcus,
I have good news for you and all the participants of the race. Chronocone was only used during the Friday GS (where a high precision wasn't really needed). It stopped working as the first racers went through the Hybrid courses and caused an hour (or more) delay. It couldn't be fixed and was ultimately replaced by a Trackmate, much to the relief of certain skaters. Saturday evening it was fixed again and we were told it worked Sunday morning, but once racers were on the course it stopped working. I was told it was not Chronocone itself but the wiring. Whichever, it couldn't be fixed, so they switched to Trackmate again.

It may be that the Chronocone spreadsheets were used (I've never seent hem), at least it wasn't the usual Seismic spreadsheets. I think the timer guy Paul did a good job and he tried to stick to (and fix) the timer, which refused to be fixed. In the end Trackmate worked without a single flaw.

I have the same doubts as you have about Chronocone and also of all PC based timers. It may be that the Trakmate is not accurate either, but I personally have better hopes of any hardware solution being safer than a software solution. I wish we could have them all tested. I spoke to a couple of guys at the Worlds and there will be a few attempts to do so in the next few months. If anyone has a good solution to the test the accuracy of the timers I would appreciate input.

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Post by Jadranko Radovanovic » Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:25 am

The solution is Alge, Tag-Heuer, Swatch or somthing else.

I will bring my ALGE to the next race to test the trackmate...

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Post by Jani Soderhall » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:30 am

Jadranko Radovanovic wrote:The solution is Alge, Tag-Heuer, Swatch or somthing else.

I will bring my ALGE to the next race to test the trackmate...

J-Rad
I agree, but Alge, Tag-Heuer and Swatch are professional systems costing several thousand euros per setup. Every race organizer cannot afford that, so we're trying less expensive solutions. Trackmate seems the most reliable among the lower cost systems. The kind of testing I'm thinking of is in a lab be staff competent to deal with it. I'm not.

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Post by Pat Chewning » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:02 am

May I suggest that this "Worlds Results" forum is not the best place to talk about timing systems?

The OFFICIAL forum for bitching and moaning about the FREE Chronocone timing system is:

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/phpBB ... m.php?f=58

Slalom is SO fun ... I love putting in hours of work and offering free timing systems ... I do it just for this kind of thanks.

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Post by Jadranko Radovanovic » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:08 am

I think it's possible to connect the Alge timing with the tapeswitches/photo cells at the same time as the trackmate with a banana plug. Than we can see if it gives the same times out.

In the current season 30'000 - 35'000 $ were paid out as price money. If the trackmate is not accurate either than it is possible that the money is payed out to the wrong people.

And for 30'000 $ you can buy a lot of Alge-Systems.

There was a situation in Grenoble this year. Me against Gustavs, Gustavs qualified as 5th me as 12th. After the first H2H i was .377 in the front. After the second run Gustavs was in front of me .476 although i was first over the finish line (we had the same number of cones in both runs). I asked by the timekeepers (the speaker), the answer was the chrono gave this time. Together with Gustavs we told them that i was first over the finish line than they changed the row times.

I saw on tapeswitches.com that you can buy tapeswitches for arroud 30 Eur. We payed 230 Euro for one Alge Tapeswitch. The tapeswitch react when you let a ballpen fall from 5cm height.

I would like to test the trackmate and see if there is a differenze between the systems.
I will ask Stephan, he is electronic engeener and has perhaps access to some test systems.

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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:51 am

Pat, its great that you provide a FREE timing system, and its even better that it is used frequently and seems to work fine.

The problem is that the world championships should not rely on a freeware that is not verified in accuracy.

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Post by Jani Soderhall » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:30 pm

Jadranko Radovanovic wrote:There was a situation in Grenoble this year. Me against Gustavs, Gustavs qualified as 5th me as 12th. After the first H2H i was .377 in the front. After the second run Gustavs was in front of me .476 although i was first over the finish line (we had the same number of cones in both runs). I asked by the timekeepers (the speaker), the answer was the chrono gave this time. Together with Gustavs we told them that i was first over the finish line than they changed the row times.
It's a bit late and not the right place talk about this specific incident now, but one thing that Trakmate does not solve is that you have type in the times. In the first run you take the top time and put it into the top line of the spreadsheet. In the second run you must take the bottom line from Trakmate and put it into the top line in the spreadsheet. This could result in times being switched, but the timer guys know about this problem and normally it is double checked by the guy sitting next to him. This is a problem Chronocone would have avoided and it is one of the reasons Marion wanted to use Chronocone for the Worlds.

PS: There is now a PC connection on the Trackmate, so you can get data directly into a spreadsheet, but someone needs to sit down and program it. I requested it for so long, ordered a whole bunch of Trackmates to encourage him. Now we've got it, but I haven't got the time to program it. Any candidates?

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Post by Jani Soderhall » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:33 pm

It I haven't said it clearly enough, the Worlds 2007 was one of the most interesting races to attend. I had a great time. I raced types of roads and courses that I had never had a chance before to try. I saw skaters that impressed me very, very much. My friends did well! and overall it meant a great deal to me!

I came home very motivated to return!
I'd love to see some good photos posted. Yeah, I know there are probably a 1000 out there already, but I want the best ones in here!

I should do a post about riders that really impressed me (like Fluitt, Pirnack, Zac, Martin and a whole lot of others). I'll do that later. Gotta work also!

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Post by Erik Basil » Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:18 pm

Jani, there have recently been some really good photo links posted in the Downhillbillies' event thread on the 'fish. Farid's link now works and another photog has just released a load of great shots.
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