[2006] Region East Atlantic: Europe

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:30 pm

Nothing is taken away from anyone. And there is still one Prime status left for Europe. And I fully agree that statuses has to be decided as early as possible. And that is how it works already. And that is why some are missing out on statuses. They are too late. For europe all statuses except two Prime statuses was decided early on this year. Now, a third has gone to Germany. So there is one left.

But I'm totally against that statuses are decided after they have been done. You can't have a World Cup event and then when people arrive "Sorry it's no longer a World Cup because not enough racers have come". People who come should not be punished. Better punish those who don't come. And why limited statuses? So that there is some control over the attendance factor. At least for the higher statsues Major and Main it's more fair that people know how to priority their travels during the season. And to make most of the good guys show up at the same events. We can't force people to travel to each and every event during the year. There is not enough money in our budget for that. And it will favor too much those who is living nearby and disfavor those who has to travel far.

ISSA will set up a work group to look over the World Ranking rules for 2007. All ideas are welcome of course. Good and bad. It would have been really easy to set up strict rules from the beginning but the slalom scene has to mature along with them also. No use having hard rules if nobody can follow them or if they will cripple the whole ranking system.

Most events are still in their early stages when it come to organisation and running a perfect slalom race. We are far from it and we just have to move ahead step by step.

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:21 am

peter

you're just repeating what i said about the statuses,that's what has to happen,definitely!!!
good to hear it from another experienced rider!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i also didn't intend to take anything away from you,bro.

but again,i'm asking:YOU COMING????????????????????????????

Peter Klang · Post by **Peter Klang** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:11 am

Donald you can have the last Prime, that´s not my point (reciving the status). I want to make an argument till next year. We all have to agree on a decision making presses for status. No more of this ad hoc shit. All Status for 2007 should be crystal clear and posted before march 1st. If ISSA don’t have the balls to do it I do.

Personally, I think its bullshit with limited amount of statuses if more races then 4 races have great ryders it should have high status.

CHEERS
PK

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:00 am

ok.... take the fights for points aside....

PETER?

some of you swedes coming?

we got a pool,we got some tracks,we got the drive,we got the vibes,we got enough free places to stay

we want to see you too
battle it out with our french and english friends the last time befre santa knocks at your door.

so wassup?

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:17 am

Hum...either him or Vlad, we don't know...or even both? What about you?

Visiting Zurich in the early autumn...

rmn

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:40 pm

What about Platon Ellenin will he show up as well?

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:15 pm

80 Cones is a highly recommendable Contest. Since the difficulty of the courses and the riders' level is increasing towards the end of the race and because of the big crowd that's gonna be lined up there, is is a contest to show up.

Rumor has it that even Vlad Popov is coming...who knows...

rmn

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:05 pm

no problem for us.

we take the basic or plain status. It's just an one lane competition with a diffrent modus in Zurich. It will be nice to have some German's in Zurich. I think chris eggers and christoph baumann are looking to come for the race, some italian's as well. the spectators are just 1 meter from the course away and there will be many of them.

/J-Rad

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:48 pm

Peter, I have explained for you but I can explain for others as well that when it comes to Prime, Main and Major statuses it is not enough to just post or talk about that you want to organize an event. And by post meaning that it is either in the contest calendar here at slalomskateboarder or at NCDSA (or directly at www.slalomranking.com ).

When it comes to Prime, Main and Major statuses it has also to be decided since there are limited number of these statuses. This is where the hard knot is in the current World Ranking system. I think it is a fair system and I prefer having the knot early on than to have discussions just before, or even worse, after competitions when you know how results will affect specific persons.

When decided and everybody have had a chance to have a say then the status is official. Why 80 cones and Great Wetsern Race did not get the Prime statuses directly when discussed early on this year was because there was disagreement. And also because it was not so urgent at the time being so far away. Maybe other events would come up during the season who would want to candidate for a Prime status. Stockholm for example or some english events that we really would like to see happen.

It is in the organizers interest and also his responsability to make sure he does everything he can to gain his aimed World Ranking status. If that is in his interest. If it is of no interest then no reason to complain either. But hopefully an organizer also think about the many racers that may be interested to come also depending on the World Ranking status. That is a very good carrot and should be worth fighting for.

Donald should be thankful to Jadranko who brought this up in the last second for the Great Western Race Oct 8. The situation right now is much different than early on this year. Right now there is only one known candidate around the 2 month limit needed for a Prime status. And we are seeing the end of the season. And there are two Prime stauses still to give out for Europe. Right now there is no reason not giving one of them to "the Great Western Race".

P.S. And I don't think this have anything to do with why Marcus says he will never want to put on a race again. If that is what you say he is saying.

Peter Klang · Post by **Peter Klang** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:49 pm

I posted the Swedish open on may 4th

I guess it´s to late in your book Corky

I feel like I just got ramed up the ass

The swedish Open is a Prime and that´s that corky

Macster will never put on a race, guess why? don´t make me come to the same conclusion

Pissed off
PK

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:10 pm

I'm gonna be there as well.

rmn

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:31 pm

ok,corky

we still want the prime for great western
the cologne crew is at hand and we will have a VERY GOOD contest.
thanks
don

Guillaume Saint-Criq · Post by **Guillaume Saint-Criq** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:52 pm

Hans Koraeus wrote:Have a look here http://www.slalomranking.com/rankings/ and click on the events link

"Lyon Slalom Cup" (09/09/2006) is missing in the event list :
viewtopic.php?t=3959

edit :
CowBoys Road (Vendée, 27/08) is missing too:
viewtopic.php?t=2894

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:07 pm

Carsten,

Have a look here http://www.slalomranking.com/rankings/ and click on the events link and then find the Hannover event in the list.

Jadranko,

Yes, it seems like Slalom Skateboard Series 4 (80 cones) is too late now but if decided very quickly (this week) the Great Western Race could be a Prime still.

Should not be problem to decide since there is only this event we know of as Prime candidate for the remaining time of the year. We had hoped for the English guys to make some noice but...

Maybe there will be another WinterClash in Stockholm... or elsewhere?

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:45 am

Do we missed now a prime status race for Europe ?

candidates:

Over 80 Cones 24. Sept.

Great Western Race 8. Oct.

The deadline for both races is over (8. August).

Does Klangster makes another garage race ?

/J-Rad

Carsten Pingel · Post by **Carsten Pingel** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:33 am

Slalom Ranking Points from Hannover ???? Where ?

Steve Hinzen · Post by **Steve Hinzen** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:57 am

Vinzzz,
I will try to come. I believe I can get 3 or 4 other guys motivated to share a car.
...if some of you guys could help with a place to sleep on Saturday night.

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:09 pm

Anouncement

Name of event: PIRATE SLALOM #7
Date : Sunday 30/04/2006
Location : Paris - probably Bois de Boulogne (but one other possibility:
Chaville/Forêt de Meudon could be great too)!
planned disciplines: Giant
categories: Open
organizer : Pirate Slalom / Riderz + ConeRacing.com
Entry Fees: 2EUR
website address: <http://pirateslalom.online.fr/>
http://PirateSlalom.online.fr
Contact: <mailto:PirateSlalom@onlineDOTfr> PirateSlalom@onlineDOTfr

Status : Basic

alavoine jean paul · Post by **alavoine jean paul** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:18 pm

Is a Freestyle-park a park for freestyle?

P.S. : Say hi to all of the Gruningen contest crew from us French stylists...

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:24 am

The result of the decision is not important for me. The ranking will be probably take over by the ISSA when the BOD is elected. some ideas for changes are in the room.

I hope the decision will be take this time on the facts.

as far as i'm concerned the swiss scene has had its share for this season.

another time an intuitively statement...

what i see from your side are only big words....
I hope all will go well, but if the tourist info didn't know about the event, than it is a bit strange. Another example is the website with the info about the event.
It isn't the discussion here, but it's the explain for my sentence above

i'm out of this discussion...

ps: If you go to our pages you will see the prize-money.
pps: Zurich will get the biggest Freestylepark in Europe http://www.freestylepark.ch/allmend_bru ... hi_res.jpg

Steve Hinzen · Post by **Steve Hinzen** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:17 am

Damn right, Heiko!

The venue is fantastic. There is a lot of space. It has even a bank with grass on it on one side of the course, which will serve as natural bleachers. Everytime we are riding there, people stop to watch and cheer ....und überhaupt.

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:59 am

it's not the feelings i really try to be rational on my comments.
we can definitely talk when we meet,no prob.

as far as i'm concerned the swiss scene has had its share for this season.

please don't go and make this statement look emotional,ok?

the decisions on the ranking are sometimes really sketchy,as you also saw recently again,j-rad,no denying that fact.

in the end they will be all good,once you get what you want,isn't it so?

here's my final announcement:
Great Western #II
we will have prize money and some serious stuff to win,good,expensive stuff.
sponsored by carhartt,vans,pavel,concrete wave.de and maybe a few others also.
you all know what that means.
we do have a challenging track for that race which is also scenic.spectators?no problem on that.
hp will be up for the 2nd race also in about a month.
special shirts will be available.
the regional skaters will deliver a tough competition,you all know whére they were ranked last season,now it's a whole new game,you'll see it this season.
we are awaiting quite a few racers for the second race,since we throw enough stimuli in to make it good.
maybe you should go ahead and spice up your event a bit-where's the money?
yeah i know :"money is not everything" but it's a fact that money draws attention.

i'm out of that discussion.

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:11 am

jadranko is doing a contest in the same region 2 times a year-the same region means,that there are only 20-30 kms distance from grüningen and zürich.
that's a bit too close for my taste and i think for each and everybody's taste,especially ifj-rad would go by the "holy bible",he would see that this definitely is an unfair advantage.

For the distances:

Grueningen --> Zurich 20-30km
Hannover --> Düsseldorf 279km

accord to the size of the country it's the same distance. Every argument can be the distance. Even if we make a race in geneve that are only 277km.

In the meantime I've learned from our Mastermind Jadranko that we all have to follow those damn rules. Wow! Strong words!
Anyway, there are 2 simple criterias Corky set up which make really sense to me:
spread the events out geographically and periodically.

I think you didn't learnd enough.

The Worldranking isn't only about the geographical and the time (spread over the season) criteria. Are those the only which make sense to you ?

There are many more criterias (listed on the website). for an example: take the World Ranking. compare the number of the riders per country, compare their positions in the Ranking, compare what they traveled the last year.

take the organisational part: Who has done somthing yet ? Are the information available somewhere, do you know what you expact (second edition) and so on.

Until we have no weighting on the criterias, there will be a never ending discussion about the statuses. For everyone the order of the importance of the criteria will be diffrent.

I wrote enough and you have all information about our race. The starterfield from last year speaks for it self.

The competition is organised by the Organisation Youth-Generation (official body since 2002) and is supported by Chris Hart (member of the Organisation committee). Maurus (Indiana) is informed as well and he support us as well. We will have 7 Slalom races (no one of this is outlaw) this year in Switzerland and arround 4 Boardercross races. 11 races where you can compete during the season. If think we needed to talk about the support between each other in the swiss scene.

This is what i have to say.
Corky which decision you ever take, for me personaly every decision is Okay.

j-rad should only get one prime this year,anything else will be unfair to the rest in europe,who is trying to get some good races started.
otherwise,we will announce 2 big races next season,with money and sponsors and then it will be even tougher to decide who gets what.the races would be in the same areas we have this year,btw.
since the great western race is a event happening 2 times a year,we should actually get at least one prime,that's how i see it.

Don, in this statement you say what do you really want. As i say before, it's not about my person. I'm the representative of an official organisation (16 people involved), who represent the organisation. As you know, our main target is to promote the SlalomSport here in Switzerland. We have now some good contacts to big companys (not skate companys) here in Switzerland. If we don't get what we want this year, we will get it next year. The most important thing was, that they see that we are alive and that we have interest of their support. Some showed their interest some said that they don't want to support the slalom sport. I try all what i can to show you why we should have this status, but it's not easy to give your my thoughts when you have a problem with me as person. The intuitively arguments show this very well.

I think i needed to speak with you about fair or unfair. It started with the main statuses, i needn't to replay what you wrote about our race. Even if we hadn't the problems which the other organisers had. Perhaps some time is beter to analyse the Fact's as to wrote from your feelings.

/J-Rad

Heiko Schöller · Post by **Heiko Schöller** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:32 pm

If the weather will be good Düsseldorf will be a good opener. Nice place and people. Right now about 30 people from France, England, Swiss and Germany have said that they will come so what do we need more...

Steve Hinzen · Post by **Steve Hinzen** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:28 am

Peter and everybody else,
for the Great Western Race Series No.I in Düsseldorf at April the 2nd check under:

viewtopic.php?t=3446

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:59 pm

Funny how I always hit post no 50 when I try to make my conclusions. So here it is again as post no 2...

Current Candidates for the two last Primes 2006
- Stockholm, SWE | | August?
- Zürich, SUI | Swiss Slalom Series #4 Final | September 24
- Dusseldorf, GER | Great Western Race Series #2 | October 8

Lot's of time before we need to decide but the sooner we decide the better it is for everybody.

Organizers: You are supposed to speak for your thing and tweak the rules in your favor.
Racers: You are supposed to support the events you believe in and is in your favor.

Then add a big spoon of what is good and fair for the European slalom scene in general.

Peter Klang · Post by **Peter Klang** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:35 pm

Dusseldorf in April, I´m there, Ryan flies to Dusseldorf don´t they?
What are the dates?

PK

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:33 pm

Funny how you have to tweak arms to get some action.

Notice that I wrote "Any protests on this?"

Now this is how it should be. People speaking up for what they belive in, for and against different actions. The two remaining Prime statuses are up in the air again.

At least we can now agree that Dusseldorf April 2 don't get one of the two remaining Prime statuses for 2006.

Current Candidates for the two last Primes 2006
- Stockholm, SWE | | August?
- Zürich, SUI | Swiss Slalom Series #4 Final | September 24
- Dusseldorf, GER | Great Western Race Series #2 | October 8

Steve Hinzen · Post by **Steve Hinzen** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:48 pm

Hans Koraeus wrote:
This means that all the Primes are gone for this season but... why not.

Any protest on this?

Corky, I don't agree on that.
Düsseldorf in April will be a great season opener. Corky, you took a decision on that before and beside our protests we had to arrange things quickly around that. So there is no turning back for us to a prime. Corky, If I would have posted such a "verdict", I would have curiously obeserved the reactions on this forum...sorry, but your latest proposal comes too late.

In the meantime I've learned from our Mastermind Jadranko that we all have to follow those damn rules. Wow! Strong words!
Anyway, there are 2 simple criterias Corky set up which make really sense to me:
spread the events out geographically and periodically.

Conclusion:
Stockholm in August is a lot more qualified for a prime contest than Zurich.
I don't have to explain why.
But Stockholm gets a prime and wins it over Zurich for another reason. This year the Swiss scene is gifted by beeing situated closer to the World Championships than anybody else. The road distance Zurich-Brixlegg is 326 km, which means a 3.50 hours drive.

Comes the question about the second prime:
with our proposal of Düsseldorf as a backup for a prime at the end of the season, Corky and everybody else can take it easy by waiting for other proposals fullfilling those 2 criterias I mentioned in the beginning.

The future looks bright, eh?!

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:43 pm

Mike Cividino wrote: Switzerland could fit in my backyard.

Hum, okay. In that point you're completely right. I also told J-Rad that those races are too close to each other and the rest of tiny Switzerland would also like to hold races in their region. And of course it isn't a problem at all to travel around here, not only if you look at the distances, our infrastructure is just killer too!

So I'd say: bad luck J-Rad, you've chosen your locations too close to each other. What about Thun, Chur or Lausanne?
Okay J-Rad, you might try to counter (since we've had that discussion before, I can guess how you'd respond): It's the first time you're organizing a racing serie and you don't want to make it become too big at the beginning to look how it turns out etc.; sort of trial. I accept that agument but then, now it's your turn, you should also accept that you might not get 2 Prime Statuses this year. That's the price you got to pay...

rmn

Mike Cividino · Post by **Mike Cividino** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:14 pm

I think the issue about 2 primes in the same area that is the problem. Personally I dont think it should be a big deal if you dont get 2 primes in Zurich and Grunni, just travel a little to another race. Consider yourselves very lucky to have such short distances to travel to races.

I wish we had your problem over here. How about Canada? We're 5000 km from coast to coast, and we get 2 statues races. Switzerland could fit in my backyard. Space it out for the euros a bit.

Just my opinion.

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:27 pm

Donald Campbell wrote:j-rad should only get one prime this year,anything else will be unfair to the rest in europe,who is trying to get some good races started.

Actually it's not J-Rad who gets the status, it's the Swiss scene that deserves the status. Since we've got a very strong & connected scene [...], I think J-Rad is right about the fact that we'd deserve at least 2 Prime "because" we haven't got a Main Status for this year.
But anyway...I don't care too much about those statuses - do what you want...

rmn

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:14 pm

At the top on the right side you've got some flags like the British or the Amarican...click on them and you get the main information in your language. http://www.pscontest.ch/index.do/news_show.html?lang=en

rmn

Mike Cividino · Post by **Mike Cividino** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:54 pm

J-rad, you say you have info online for your race but it is all in swiss german....how is the rest of the world supposed to know whats going on?. Please translate your page, more english cabable people than swiss german into slalom. Thank you.

EDIT: thanks ramon.

Peter Klang · Post by **Peter Klang** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:43 pm

OK let me say this ones and for all.
I don´t care if Stockholm will get prime, Main or major status this year, the event will be big anyway. What I do care about is that at least one Prime will be in late august or early september, we need a race between Brixlegg and Antibes, that´s all.

London would be da bomb.

Yo
PK

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:29 pm

this is getting ridiculous.

ok,corky here's why i protest:
peter had his fingers a long time ago on the prime-he should get it.

jadranko is doing a contest in the same region 2 times a year-the same region means,that there are only 20-30 kms distance from grüningen and zürich.
that's a bit too close for my taste and i think for each and everybody's taste,especially ifj-rad would go by the "holy bible",he would see that this definitely is an unfair advantage.

brands hatch should be also mentioned.our friends are still trying to pull off a bigger race this season and they should see some support.

yes,we would like to have the prime,but we don't need it to make this race happen.
actually we qualified for the prime soon enough and the change of location has been made in favor of the audience,which is even more appealing to what the "organizing body" wants to see.

j-rad should only get one prime this year,anything else will be unfair to the rest in europe,who is trying to get some good races started.
otherwise,we will announce 2 big races next season,with money and sponsors and then it will be even tougher to decide who gets what.the races would be in the same areas we have this year,btw.
since the great western race is a event happening 2 times a year,we should actually get at least one prime,that's how i see it.

again:each race good enough should qualify for a prime-make the system more flexible.

if not,ok your thing....but i am completely against j-rad reaping all the benefits for his events-the reasons are obvious.the only thing i see in his posts is trying to make his interpretation of the system work for him.
also noteworthy is the explanation that most of the racers visiting grüningen do not travel and are in need of a few points.ridiculous,if you ask me.
check the top 10 and see how many racers were in there who travel quite a lot,or is airflow and indiana a brand of guys who don't go to other contests?
stupid question,but the answer bears the truth.

all this drama is really annoying and i am not doing an event in order to get some points from the ranking,but i am not willing to let things go that easily,when i see somebody trying to snake himself into the system,trying to use it for his own advantage.
as long as i see this feud without a resolution,you will have me objecting against your second prime status.
it's not against the race-you know that.

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:18 am

Corky, i would follow the rules.
They are published and for everyone the same. Follow this line makes the slalomranking believable.

If you make here an exception than will the next question be why you didn't make an exception in the US with the canceled race. For your view, perhaps it isn't a big exception because of one day to late, for other people it can look like a big exception.

My proposal for this situation:
SWE and UK should be preferred for the two last Primes.
make them a deadline when they have at least to announce their races. If they don't announce anything until the deadline, than give the statuses to the other candidates away.

The deadline for the nomination of the ISSA representatives will be finished in the end of this month. The ranking is an important Topic and it will be discussed and worked on the guidlines.

/J-Rad

Peter Klang · Post by **Peter Klang** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:54 am

Stockholm taking a step back????????????????????
Wake up Corky, I spoke personaly with you just two days ago.
I feel I just maybe do something soon... This has to become more professional.
If ISSA don´t act, somebody else will.

/PK

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:31 am

Oops, sorry but I have been too busy latley.

2005 December 10 Prime in Stockholm
It was a very special situation with two Primes left for the season and no events wanting them. If it would have been early on in the season it would have been another thing.

2004 April 2 Prime
It was announced very early (Oct 2005) but then in Cologne. On Feb 3rd it was re-announced with a new location in Dusseldorf. Strictly to the rules 1 day too late but we are not that strict. I have been slow to act on this and since there has been no other candidates showing up and Stockholm taking a step back I propose that Dusseledorf and Zurich take the two last Primes.

This means that all the Primes are gone for this season but... why not.

Any protest on this?

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:23 pm

Jadranko Radovanovic wrote:no answer on my question ?
1. What will happen if we have no rules, how should the statuses be setted ? Should every organiser decide by him slef which status he should have ?

What is all the tragedy about? Like I mentioned before: While you are caring about statuses, organisation and all that stuff, others may worry about sales on our stuff and ask themselves who might be the next generation, the next compeditior or even the next slalomskateboard-owner.
What is so important to have such a status? It looks like the only joyful thing for you about slalomskateboarding is to gain points and compete with others on that, sorry corky, stupid world ranking. Are those points important for your existence or what?
In my eyes the only thing you got to know is whether an event is considered big or not.

just my comment on that...

rmn

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:06 pm

no answer on my question ?

the discussion is about the the two last prime statuses.

The Fact is that if you want a status of this slalomranking you have to follow the published rules.

let the americans rejoice in such classic statements as "When the rules are setted, than you have to follow them, if you like it or not".
or show our british friends why there should be no support for their attempt to organize a race .

1. What will happen if we have no rules, how should the statuses be setted ? Should every organiser decide by him slef which status he should have ?

2. as i say before, i don't know what happens in Uk. It was a statement from Chris Linford not from me. what i say is that there are no more information about a race in uk and that we have enough time for a decison.

You are censorious agains't all rules, but you have no other proposal. How it should be decided when we don't follow the rules ?

In our situation here:

corky

i'm not gonna comment on your decision,maybe i will do my next race in a garage though to get a prime?
getting a prime for the great western was a fact for all of us,there didn't seem to be the need for discussion.

if it's not you to decide,but the racers,then do yourself a favor and change it to a prime.
i don't want to recruit all the racers to this forum to start a discussion.

it's that easy,why make things complicated?

It's not about me and the rules. Check your posts what you wrote.

Do we have so many rules ?

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:21 pm

Jadranko Radovanovic wrote:The organisation (ISSA) is not running yet, it will need some time. But i'm shure the slalomranking will be included in the ISSA. Than it will be official running by an official organisation

The ranking is the only we have now. It don't depands by who it is created or who did the rules. When the rules are setted, than you have to follow them, if you like it or not.
If it doesnt change anything, why do you wanted a prime for your first race when you want to give brands hatch a chance ?

Brands Hatch isn't shure. Chris Linford wrote in the ncdsa.com Forum:
It is easy for us to travel to europe than to host an event here. I se no reason why we should have an event here when it is not supported.
I don't no what happen in Uk, but i didn't saw any announcement or information.

Our race is in September, so we have enough time for the decision.

since your zürich race is such a great and exciting race,why the need for a prime status anyway?
will it change the number of spectators watching the race?
what's your benefit?
Those from Switzerland who don't travel to the big races have a chance to earn some point's for the ranking. That's the only reason.

What's your benefit ?

/J-Rad

damn i have to quote your whole pamphlet,because the nonsense starts with the first word and ends with the last.
incredible stuff you are writing there,jadranko,absolutely incredible.

please do us all a favor and post this stuff on ncdsa and we all will have some hearty laughs.

let the americans rejoice in such classic statements as "When the rules are setted, than you have to follow them, if you like it or not".
or show our british friends why there should be no support for their attempt to organize a race .
what you just showed us is absolutely incredible....thanks again man.

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:18 pm

The organisation (ISSA) is not running yet, it will need some time. But i'm sure the slalomranking will be included in the ISSA. Then it will be official running by an official organisation

The ranking is the only we have now. It doesn't depend on who created it or who did the rules. When the rules are defined, then you have to follow them, whether you like it or not.
If it doesnt change anything, why do you want a prime for your first race when you want to give Brands Hatch a chance ?

Brands Hatch isn't sure. Chris Linford wrote in the ncdsa.com Forum:

It is easy for us to travel to Europe than to host an event here. I see no reason why we should have an event here when it is not supported.

I don't know what happen in Uk, but I didn't see any announcement or information.

Our race is in September, so we have enough time for the decision.

since your zürich race is such a great and exciting race, why the need for a prime status anyway?
will it change the number of spectators watching the race?
what's your benefit?

Those from Switzerland who don't travel to the big races have a chance to earn some point's for the ranking. That's the only reason.

What's your benefit ?

/J-Rad

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:50 pm

j-rad
which rules?
who enforces those rules?
which organization created those rules?
are they legit and sanctioned by any existing body that has been elected by whom?

you won't be able to come up with a decent answer to those questions,unless you are plain stupid.

see,corky created a ranking system on his own.the rules posted on his site reflect his or janis thoughts on how things should be handled,that's the way it is,no denying that.

most of these rules are sort of quality benchmarks as far as i see it.

stepping back from the demand of a prime status means that we want to give brands hatch a chance.
you should do the same,if you want to act as a real sportsman,anything else would only show your selfishness on this whole debate.

since your zürich race is such a great and exciting race,why the need for a prime status anyway?
will it change the number of spectators watching the race?
what's your benefit?

so domink says the he doesn't care about the rules,damn right.

what a great season is ahead of us this year,oh my god i am so happy.
some nice contests in switzerland in some scenic(that's a bit over the top,but hey,i gotta give you a break) small villages nobody ever heard of-i am counting the days and i'm so anxious...

get a grip on reality man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

all i see in your posts is that you want the most for what you do,always pointing at the "rules" you so blindly obey and never hestitate to citate.
it's not only the rules,j-rad.
skateboarding is different than that but you must have slept the day away on that info.

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:43 pm

We, the organizers of the GWR-Series, have something cool to offer:
our second race of the series in Octobre as a "backup"-race for a prime status.
As I said before, we are not in urge for this status.

Our suggestion will give the chance to other attractive races, which might want to candidate a little bit later for different reasons, for example "Brands-Hatch". This is defintely a race which might deserve a prime to make the season more interesting.

I propose that the Zurich-race steps up with the same kind of offer as we do.

As we see now: tow races for two Prime statuses.

The date for the Zurich race is setted. And the information about the race are on the slalom-series.ch website.

Stockholm, no further information yet.

I don't understand your offer or for what it should be. I don't know which kind of offer do you want from us.

We candidated for a prime status and are now waiting what will happen.

Jadranko, it's not about following some rules, it's about creating a great European racing season.

Does it change anything on the great season if we fallow the rules for the world ranking statuses ?

The rules are here for the statuses of the races.
And that are official rules which are published on the slalomranking.com site. The website explain why it's needed and how does it work.

At the moment that is the only ranking which we have. There isn't an official body now which analyse and change the rules except the developer of the rules. Corky takes the inputs of the racers/organiser in account, but in the end he has to follow the rules which he published. Corky explain on the webiste how it works and what the rules are.

That is how it is now.

FXCK THE RULES - GO SKATE!

what a statement...

/J-Rad

Dominik Kowalski · Post by **Dominik Kowalski** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:59 pm

FXCK THE RULES - GO SKATE!

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:53 pm

Sorry, this is almost smarty-pants boy stuff but it has to be done:

Steve Hinzen wrote:Jadranko, it's not about following some rules, it's about creating a great european racing season.

rmn

Steve Hinzen · Post by **Steve Hinzen** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:08 pm

Pat, thanx for your creative suggestions for next year. I guess, this is something Corky should think about.

In order to stop your constant hassling, Jadranko, i have a suggestion for this year's prime candidates:

There is no problem for the GWRS in April to step back from a prime status. The race will be great anyway. A lot of great racers have announced their coming. Most of them don't give a damn about points and ranking....

We, the organizers of the GWR-Series, have something cool to offer:
our second race of the series in Octobre as a "backup"-race for a prime status.
As I said before, we are not in urge for this status.

Our suggestion will give the chance to other attractive races, which might want to candidate a little bit later for different reasons, for example "Brands-Hatch". This is defintely a race which might deserve a prime to make the season more interesting.

I propose that the Zurich-race steps up with the same kind of offer as we do.
Jadranko, it's not about following some rules, it's about creating a great european racing season.

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:02 pm

ok so steve will give you a proposal in a few mins,j-rad.

something about the rules,you so easily accept,my thoughts on that subject:

there was no existing body of members,who constituted those "rules".

most of the "rules" are to be viewed as suggestions,to say so.
that's what you are referring to,there is absolutely nobody who can or will enforce those rules,because there is no solid base for the rules in question

if you set up a ranking system like the one in existance,you have a certain responsibility to the community which is eyeing at the system.
this responsibility may be a burden sometimes,but the prime directive has to be that the creator of the system should be present in any discussion regarding status or anything else referring to the system.,be it whatever,in our case ,status for a race,without doing so,the system loses its credibility and it also shows its weaknesses.

coming to corky and the role he's playing in the system.
it would be absolutely perfect,if he just keeps programming and updating the site.
all major decisions should not be only done by him,they should be done by an existing issa.

we all know that some of the decisions which have been made in the recent past are questionable and also i see that pat chewning is tending to go to the same direction i proposed a few months ago,regarding prime statuses and their seeding.

it is high time that any rule any of us are referring to gets sanctioned by an existing,governing body.until then,there are no real rules.
you should know that,jadranko,whenever you refer to those rules.

i do not want to shed a bad light on anything either jani or corky did.
but it seems that we should all be in for a reality check.

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:55 am

Don and Steve,

the answer is very easy.

There are rules on slalomranking.com
http://www.slalomranking.com/rules/?ses ... 1a79d7a41a

Steve asked on the 10 of January if there are others who want the prime too.

Yes there are others:

Zurich
Stockholm
Cologne

There was no reaction after my post from 24 of January from the organizers site of the cologne race. You knew realy good the deadline of the 2nd of February. The announcement for the race came on February 3rd on ss.com. It was announced in october for this Date, but without info.

you are always trying to bend the things to fit in your scheme,aint that so,jadranko?
at this young age you show the same tendencies,the old german organization from the seventies and eighties had.
this organization passed away sooner or later,since all the skaters didn't like the way it has been run.

There are rules (not setted by me). We all have to fallow this rules. It's not my problem if you don't read the rules. What you are doing with your short proposals to change the setted rules is what i see as fitting the things in your scheme.

If i'm wrong, please tell me where my fault is or where i interpret the rules in a wrong way.

I'm not intereseted what happened to the german organisation but as you know we have to share the statuses between the organisers in Europe. The rules are needed that all know what the prozess is. When i analyse our race in Zurich with the given rules/criterias, than i must say, yes we deserve a prime status for this race.

why is it that you are trying to undermine our race,each and every way possible here on the net?
which benefit does this bring to you?
maybe you take your time and quote me again,after you have done so,a clear answer is due.

It has nothing to do with you or your race. There are two primes left for 3 races. What i'am doing is the same thing what you do. We candidate with our race for one of this statuses.

I told you the arguments why (because of the rules) your race shouldn't get the prime.
If the rules are here to regulate the things than we have to take them in account. If we don't take them in account we will have many diffrent worldrankings. The most important thing is to develop the rules together, what will be done by an official organisation (ISSA).

Is this answer clear enough ?

/J-Rad

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