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<b>The S-camber is here! And greatly improved, we might add.</b>
Originally designed by Henry Hester in the 1970's, the s-camber quickly became the shape of choice for tight slalom racers around the globe.
The camber on our boards has been perfectly modeled after one of the most successful tight slalom boards in the history of slalom skateboard racing. (Thanks Jani!) The utilization of modern construction methods, the highest quality woods and aerospace composite materials will make this board perform like no other s-camber ever has! Extremely responsive with AMAZING traction in the tight stuff!
<b><i>S-Camber PS</i></b>
Overall Length: 28"
Overall Width: 8"
Camber: "S"
Drilled Wheel Base: 18 1/2" - 19"
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RoeRacing 2003 Performance Series Racing Boards
<b>The S-camber is here! And greatly improved, we might add.</b>
Originally designed by Henry Hester in the 1970's, the s-camber quickly became the shape of choice for tight slalom racers around the globe.
The camber on our boards has been perfectly modeled after one of the most successful tight slalom boards in the history of slalom skateboard racing. (Thanks Jani!) The utilization of modern construction methods, the highest quality woods and aerospace composite materials will make this board perform like no other s-camber ever has! Extremely responsive with AMAZING traction in the tight stuff!
<b><i>S-Camber PS</i></b>
Overall Length: 28"
Overall Width: 8"
Camber: "S"
Drilled Wheel Base: 18 1/2" - 19"
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We will be running these boards this weekend with the new Metal Seismics (105's front and rear).
For wheels, we will be using our secret green wheels (92a front and rear!) and maybe some of the hardest 3dm Cambrias we can find in our wheel bin.
Also, it goes without saying that the TNR footstop will be an integral component on this small board!
Oh ya, Biltin's all around for theie incredible spin and quick, no fuss wheel swaps!
What do you think? What else would you try?
5-footers, HERE WE COME!
We will be running these boards this weekend with the new Metal Seismics (105's front and rear).
For wheels, we will be using our secret green wheels (92a front and rear!) and maybe some of the hardest 3dm Cambrias we can find in our wheel bin.
Also, it goes without saying that the TNR footstop will be an integral component on this small board!
Oh ya, Biltin's all around for theie incredible spin and quick, no fuss wheel swaps!
What do you think? What else would you try?
5-footers, HERE WE COME!
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If you want the traction of an offset, PVD or Custom truck but dont want to spend the extra cash this deck is for you. The S shape was originally concieved by Henry Hester and Bob Skolberg with camber under the front foot and rocker under the rear. This combination provides insane traction with stock trackers or indys. I set mine up with a radikal up front and a wedged indy in the rear. The deck is highly manuverable and eats up offsets like they were stingers. In the 90's John Gilmour was whalluped all to hell by guys (Jani and all his boys) riding these decks. (not that this would ever happen again to John). Anyway, Gareth and Steve have resurrected the design and improved upon the original by using superior materials. S-cambers...They're not just for ts anymore.
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Wedge the hell out of the back truck, wind it up and watch it go.
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Good call TK.
The first image does not show it too well, but the rear Radikal is wedged with a 12 degree Swiss MDF block (fat side to tail), on top of which I've added a folded thin green rubber riser over the rear bolts inbetween the MDF block and truck to further steepen the angle. The second image shows the true state of the setup, with the photograph taken from the tail end.
The first image does not show it too well, but the rear Radikal is wedged with a 12 degree Swiss MDF block (fat side to tail), on top of which I've added a folded thin green rubber riser over the rear bolts inbetween the MDF block and truck to further steepen the angle. The second image shows the true state of the setup, with the photograph taken from the tail end.
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This is a board that I've been hoping to try for quite a while, as you might be able to tell from my earlier playing around with a regular CrossFire:
As an enthusiastic, yet less than technically perfect skater, I find that much of my weight (around 65 kilos) is put through the front foot in order to lever the steering. I also ride too inflexibly in the vertical position, with a resultant raised heel on the rear foot, thereby lowering the weight and traction over the rear wheels.
The S-Camber goes a long way towards meeting the raised foot and so allows more downforce directly over the rear truck. Because the camber has a kicktail effect, the trailing foot can confidently apply greater pressure because there is a reduced fear of losing one's grip over the tail of the board. In other words, the rear foot is forced into the centre of the deck by default rather than in the other direction. This means that the critical placement of the rear foot is reduced by a couple of degrees, thereby giving the rider the confidence for foot adjustment on course without jeopardising race speed for fear of losing control over the back wheels.
Even with the setup above, I would like to take out more steering from the rear if it were possible, but I have yet to try the deck through cones. The board I'm riding is the Medium Stiff version which is comparatively rigid under my weight. For me this is a good thing. If it were to flex under the front foot then the resultant action from the tail would be to steepen up, thereby giving the back truck greater turnability. I prefer the rear to follow rather than to steer, so I'm happy with the lack of deformation offered by this deck.
What I did find, however, was that more traction than expected was being applied through the back wheels. I discovered this through the non-scientific means of losing the tail in a patch of water. I went down fast and hard; my left knee paid the penalty.
What may have gone unnoticed through the photographs is that the griptape on these later Roes is far courser than that of last year and gives much improved traction. I'm currently running a TnR footblock on the front of the S-Camber which I initially thought might be unnecessary, but what it does is not only to stop the front foot creeping forward over longer courses, but also to allow and maintain accurate foot placement over the front truck from the off.
The S-Camber is a confidence-inspiring deck to ride. In conjunction with new bushinged Radikal trucks and softish wheels (81/ 82a) it is very smooth and precise. With the rockered tail you can also tic-tac turn in extreme situations, making the deck very versatile and extremely chuckable in a good way. It may not have made me a technically better rider, but this deck allows and forgives foibles of style whilst amplifying my efforts. I'm only left wondering what a less accentuated S-shape GS Bullet might be like to ride...
As an enthusiastic, yet less than technically perfect skater, I find that much of my weight (around 65 kilos) is put through the front foot in order to lever the steering. I also ride too inflexibly in the vertical position, with a resultant raised heel on the rear foot, thereby lowering the weight and traction over the rear wheels.
The S-Camber goes a long way towards meeting the raised foot and so allows more downforce directly over the rear truck. Because the camber has a kicktail effect, the trailing foot can confidently apply greater pressure because there is a reduced fear of losing one's grip over the tail of the board. In other words, the rear foot is forced into the centre of the deck by default rather than in the other direction. This means that the critical placement of the rear foot is reduced by a couple of degrees, thereby giving the rider the confidence for foot adjustment on course without jeopardising race speed for fear of losing control over the back wheels.
Even with the setup above, I would like to take out more steering from the rear if it were possible, but I have yet to try the deck through cones. The board I'm riding is the Medium Stiff version which is comparatively rigid under my weight. For me this is a good thing. If it were to flex under the front foot then the resultant action from the tail would be to steepen up, thereby giving the back truck greater turnability. I prefer the rear to follow rather than to steer, so I'm happy with the lack of deformation offered by this deck.
What I did find, however, was that more traction than expected was being applied through the back wheels. I discovered this through the non-scientific means of losing the tail in a patch of water. I went down fast and hard; my left knee paid the penalty.
What may have gone unnoticed through the photographs is that the griptape on these later Roes is far courser than that of last year and gives much improved traction. I'm currently running a TnR footblock on the front of the S-Camber which I initially thought might be unnecessary, but what it does is not only to stop the front foot creeping forward over longer courses, but also to allow and maintain accurate foot placement over the front truck from the off.
The S-Camber is a confidence-inspiring deck to ride. In conjunction with new bushinged Radikal trucks and softish wheels (81/ 82a) it is very smooth and precise. With the rockered tail you can also tic-tac turn in extreme situations, making the deck very versatile and extremely chuckable in a good way. It may not have made me a technically better rider, but this deck allows and forgives foibles of style whilst amplifying my efforts. I'm only left wondering what a less accentuated S-shape GS Bullet might be like to ride...
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Hunter, I'm using the Airflow risers from http://www.sk8shop.ch/detail_Accessories.asp?id=92
also available through http://www.airflow-skateboards.com/be_A ... meset.html
also available through http://www.airflow-skateboards.com/be_A ... meset.html
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The 1st post in this heading tells the story.
The S Camber comes in Crossfire and Cut-A Way/ Crossfire.
I have the cutaway. Nice!
The current manufacturers Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) for the 2003 RoeRacing Slalom boards are as follows:
Performance Series CrossFire - US$95.00
Performance Series Unlimited- US$95.00
Performance Series Cut-A-Way - US$95.00
Performance Series Keith Hollien Models (TS,GS, & SS) - US$95.00
Performance Series S-Camber (either shape)- US$115.00
Foam Core CrossFire - US$225.00
Foam Core Unlimted - US$225.00
Foam Core Bottle Rocket - US$225.00
Foam Core Bullett - US$225.00
Foam Core Gary Holl Models (TS, 31", 34") - US$235.00
Foam Core Keith Hollien Models (TS,GS, & SS) - US$235.00
Foam Core Hester - US$235.00
Foam Core Hester TS - US$235.00
Foam Core Bonita - US$235.00
Foam Core Elderado - US$235.00
Foam Core Custom Shapes - US$xxx.xx (Priceless!)
All of the above listed prices are for the deck only and does not include shipping and handling or any applicable sales taxes. All of our decks come drilled and gripped.
All prices may vary slightly from one retailer to another. Look for new pricing after the first of the year.
The S Camber comes in Crossfire and Cut-A Way/ Crossfire.
I have the cutaway. Nice!
The current manufacturers Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) for the 2003 RoeRacing Slalom boards are as follows:
Performance Series CrossFire - US$95.00
Performance Series Unlimited- US$95.00
Performance Series Cut-A-Way - US$95.00
Performance Series Keith Hollien Models (TS,GS, & SS) - US$95.00
Performance Series S-Camber (either shape)- US$115.00
Foam Core CrossFire - US$225.00
Foam Core Unlimted - US$225.00
Foam Core Bottle Rocket - US$225.00
Foam Core Bullett - US$225.00
Foam Core Gary Holl Models (TS, 31", 34") - US$235.00
Foam Core Keith Hollien Models (TS,GS, & SS) - US$235.00
Foam Core Hester - US$235.00
Foam Core Hester TS - US$235.00
Foam Core Bonita - US$235.00
Foam Core Elderado - US$235.00
Foam Core Custom Shapes - US$xxx.xx (Priceless!)
All of the above listed prices are for the deck only and does not include shipping and handling or any applicable sales taxes. All of our decks come drilled and gripped.
All prices may vary slightly from one retailer to another. Look for new pricing after the first of the year.
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Vincent,
Ric is correct. The S-cambers are available in the Crossfire and Cutaway shapes. The price is $115 USD. Shipping and handling to France is $30. If you have a Paypal account, you can order directly from us at sales@roeslalom.com. We can also accept checks, but Paypal is the fastest method. All boards are built to order and generally arrive in the buyer's hands in about 2 weeks. Even to Europe!
At today's exchange rate an S-camber, including shipping, is 118 Euros. The dollar is very low now so it's a good time to buy.
If you have any more questions, please direct them to sales@roeslalom.com and I'll answer them personally.
Thanks!
Steve Hopper
"Your Humble RoeRacing Board Builder"
Ric is correct. The S-cambers are available in the Crossfire and Cutaway shapes. The price is $115 USD. Shipping and handling to France is $30. If you have a Paypal account, you can order directly from us at sales@roeslalom.com. We can also accept checks, but Paypal is the fastest method. All boards are built to order and generally arrive in the buyer's hands in about 2 weeks. Even to Europe!
At today's exchange rate an S-camber, including shipping, is 118 Euros. The dollar is very low now so it's a good time to buy.
If you have any more questions, please direct them to sales@roeslalom.com and I'll answer them personally.
Thanks!
Steve Hopper
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Vincent,
You are correct! Coneracing.com will be receiving a shipment of s-cambers shortly. We're very excited about them stocking our boards.
Thanks,
Steve
You are correct! Coneracing.com will be receiving a shipment of s-cambers shortly. We're very excited about them stocking our boards.
Thanks,
Steve
Steve Hopper
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S-Camber!!!
Just got my XFire S-Camber last week. It only took about 9-10 days shipping from the USA to Australia, super quick.
I set it up with a TTC in the back, no wedge, and a wedged RTX in the front, and Av's. Took it out for a spin on Monday on the local netball courts, flat super smooth surface.
What a great board. The S-Camber felt very comfortable under my feet, and I'm really digging the fuller shape of the board versus my other one, a Turner GS/Hybrid. Without any warm up, I set up a course of 22 cones, not much room for more, at roughly 5.5 ft centers with some 5 ft centers. The board helped me through with no problems, fast and smooth, averaging 5.6 sec runs. I absolutely love how my back foot feels on this board, so comfortable, and there's a sweet spot just before/over the back truck that is awesome.
Overall, I am stoked I got this board, it gave me confidence to ride hard and I was ripping offsets and 5 ft sections that I was nowhere near doing with my Turner.
Great work Roe!
I set it up with a TTC in the back, no wedge, and a wedged RTX in the front, and Av's. Took it out for a spin on Monday on the local netball courts, flat super smooth surface.
What a great board. The S-Camber felt very comfortable under my feet, and I'm really digging the fuller shape of the board versus my other one, a Turner GS/Hybrid. Without any warm up, I set up a course of 22 cones, not much room for more, at roughly 5.5 ft centers with some 5 ft centers. The board helped me through with no problems, fast and smooth, averaging 5.6 sec runs. I absolutely love how my back foot feels on this board, so comfortable, and there's a sweet spot just before/over the back truck that is awesome.
Overall, I am stoked I got this board, it gave me confidence to ride hard and I was ripping offsets and 5 ft sections that I was nowhere near doing with my Turner.
Great work Roe!
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I have bin thinking that I want to get an s-camber with rts rear, radikal front, grippins(rear:88a, front:92a). will it still have very good traction?
because I don't want to spend much on a rear truck(scince it is supposed to have good tration anyways), but I want the fast turning front truck.
because I don't want to spend much on a rear truck(scince it is supposed to have good tration anyways), but I want the fast turning front truck.
Its like a gift. I can't control it.
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You'll have a cream of the crop setup there!!! The S in S-camber is the S#!T!!
I have the Crossfire, it's a nice full shape for about any type of stance and shoe size...
Although I don't have a Radikal front, I do run a 45* 105 Seismic
which offers basically the same sort of
single action geometry... although admittedly different feeling and heavier...
Having tried a few Radikal setups now, one is definetly in my future!!!
I run a RTS rear on my S-camber and if
I run it flat I'm faster getting up to speed in the 1st
part of a Cyber slalom course
and if I dewedge it, i.e. make it steer less,
I can pump more speed out the back end of the course.
Kinda depends on your style of skating and ultimately
what is fastest for you.
Be sure and get ½" axles with your Radikal so you can run the
Grippins without baseplate rub...(regular width hanger)
Is the 92a- 88a Grippin combo for real smooth pavement? I have a set- (84a frt. 81a r.) that work super on about every type of pavement I've run across...
You'll have a cream of the crop setup there!!! The S in S-camber is the S#!T!!
I have the Crossfire, it's a nice full shape for about any type of stance and shoe size...
Although I don't have a Radikal front, I do run a 45* 105 Seismic
which offers basically the same sort of
single action geometry... although admittedly different feeling and heavier...
Having tried a few Radikal setups now, one is definetly in my future!!!
I run a RTS rear on my S-camber and if
I run it flat I'm faster getting up to speed in the 1st
part of a Cyber slalom course
and if I dewedge it, i.e. make it steer less,
I can pump more speed out the back end of the course.
Kinda depends on your style of skating and ultimately
what is fastest for you.
Be sure and get ½" axles with your Radikal so you can run the
Grippins without baseplate rub...(regular width hanger)
Is the 92a- 88a Grippin combo for real smooth pavement? I have a set- (84a frt. 81a r.) that work super on about every type of pavement I've run across...
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Cameron,
The Grippins are a center set bearing wheel so you'll have to take that into consideration
when matching them up to a truck, especially narrower or "cut down" hangers.
Grippins mount up 9/16" narrower "BETWEEN" the wheels than a stock Avalon... the between measurement is what to pay attention to for baseplate interference.
As far as the Cambrias go, They won't keep as much momentum as a taller wheel,
but being smaller they're a smidge more nimble feeling across the fall line...
It never hurts to have plenty of wheel options... The Grippins or Avalons are the way to go initially, IMO
Hopefully, someone will chime in with more info....
The Grippins are a center set bearing wheel so you'll have to take that into consideration
when matching them up to a truck, especially narrower or "cut down" hangers.
Grippins mount up 9/16" narrower "BETWEEN" the wheels than a stock Avalon... the between measurement is what to pay attention to for baseplate interference.
As far as the Cambrias go, They won't keep as much momentum as a taller wheel,
but being smaller they're a smidge more nimble feeling across the fall line...
It never hurts to have plenty of wheel options... The Grippins or Avalons are the way to go initially, IMO
Hopefully, someone will chime in with more info....
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S-Camber
Here is my S-camber
Tracker Rtx 106 and grippin 92a front/ Tracker rtx offset and grippin 88a rear
Rides really well, and is a great TS board
"By todays standars but in true english tight I would have to ditch the trachkrs," LOL
and maybe even the deck hehehe
It rocks tho...........
Tracker Rtx 106 and grippin 92a front/ Tracker rtx offset and grippin 88a rear
Rides really well, and is a great TS board
"By todays standars but in true english tight I would have to ditch the trachkrs," LOL
and maybe even the deck hehehe
It rocks tho...........
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Jim-
Nice board! The s-camber continues to be one of my favorite decks. Something nice about the way that pocket in the back just holds your rear foot!
I have not yet tried the s-camber with Grippins! Should be a fast combination.
Thanks for posting a picture of your deck - I always love to see our decks in others photos.
Cheers-
Gareth
Nice board! The s-camber continues to be one of my favorite decks. Something nice about the way that pocket in the back just holds your rear foot!
I have not yet tried the s-camber with Grippins! Should be a fast combination.
Thanks for posting a picture of your deck - I always love to see our decks in others photos.
Cheers-
Gareth
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Yes Gareth,
This is a very nice flat land board indeed.
From the hester original thru Jani's improvement to this.
The grippins do work well on this set up. I am in the middle of coming to terms with the transition between the super tight English courses of the 70's and todays slalom (just as thrilling but a totally different technique) and this is my chosen flatland combo.
I do have other choices for downhill but this is, I believe, an essential weapon in anyones arsenal.
Comfortable underfoot with a feeling that she needs to be pushed forever harder.
Nice, very nice
Thank you for your effort, and product.
Jim Slater
This is a very nice flat land board indeed.
From the hester original thru Jani's improvement to this.
The grippins do work well on this set up. I am in the middle of coming to terms with the transition between the super tight English courses of the 70's and todays slalom (just as thrilling but a totally different technique) and this is my chosen flatland combo.
I do have other choices for downhill but this is, I believe, an essential weapon in anyones arsenal.
Comfortable underfoot with a feeling that she needs to be pushed forever harder.
Nice, very nice
Thank you for your effort, and product.
Jim Slater
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