100-cone slalom course

William Tway · Post by **William Tway** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 8:18 pm

The end of Trippe's Boston Slalom Vid from 2001 has a brief clip of Gilmour going for the 100 cone record. I can dig out the complete clip if anyone cares.

http://www.attikus.com/tv/tv_4.html

Jack Smith · Post by **Jack Smith** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:34 pm

Yep, Prefumo Canyon it is.

Wesley Tucker · Post by **Wesley Tucker** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:05 pm

Jack,

Sounds like Perfumo Canyon Road?

Jani Soderhall · Post by **Jani Soderhall** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:22 pm

Wow, I'm impressed with the speed at which this thread took off. Great!

Out of memory, and before I locate the exact information, we must have done 6 ft center to center as in the ISSA rules and with 0.1 second cone penalty. No maximum cone count. If you start hitting cones you loose your concentration anyway and You've got no chance of beating the record.

Good luck to those who want to try it. I think we should organize a few "real" attempts for a new World Record at some of the major contests next year, to add some extra spice to already event filled weekends.
If we can agree upon the rules we should be able to do one over here, and maybe a few in the States and all be able to accept the outcome. Sound like great fun.

Getting somebody into the Guinness book of Records could be a way to give some attention to our sport. Every magazine, local, national, international, likes to write a few words and show a picture of a new world record holder.

Jack Smith · Post by **Jack Smith** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:09 am

Ok, the central coast crew is going to give this 100 cone thing a try this weekend. Here's how were going to run it. 25' push, timing lights will be positioned even with the first and last cone and 1/10 second per cone penalty. The area we will be using has a slight grade, so will not be in the flat category. Racers will include the Gordon and Benko clans, Jackie Lee, old time turned new racer David Baker and hopefully Mr. Dunn if he is not too jet lagged from his trip to Panama with his wife Michelle and my wife, Maurine. We'll let you know.

Vlad Popov · Post by **Vlad Popov** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 4:31 am

You know, Michael, an interesting thing: for a short wheelbase board the speed increases as the cone distance decreases (up to a certain point). We will run 6 and 5.5 ft center-to-center Soccer cones this weekend and do inter and intra time comparisons.
It will be hard to make the course clean, but we will try.
I've done almost 60 5.5 ft cones, and it was never a problem making it clean, but the man says wait till you get to 70, so I can't wait.
Vlad.

Claude Regnier · Post by **Claude Regnier** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 4:30 am

I had already contacted guiness regarding the record to find out if it was recognized. It wasn't but they did state to me that they would be interested in it.

I'll look to see if I have it on file. It has a contact name on it. I probably lost it when my system went down but you never know.

Micheal you are right about the conditioning. It's a long haul. I was running 130 cones this year a couple of times. As Vlad said you start to get tired.

This is why the Ave. speed is only 20 + MPH. It's tough to maintain anything faster that long. Times for 130 cones were all right around 30 seconds, by the way. Only the last 22 were going slithly uphill. The first 90 were on a slope, then flat, then up and up and up.

Another Cyber comp as such.

Michael Dong · Post by **Michael Dong** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 4:14 am

I think a 100 cone would be really cool. Physical conditioning will be key. Gotta have power and concentration the whole way through. I like it.

I am thinking it really doesn't matter what cone spacing you have, you still have to move body and board at the same frequency regardless of cone spacing. For a larger cone spacing you will have to be travelling much faster. A hill will definitely make it less physically demanding. Man - a flat 100 cone course and we will all have legs like olympic speedskaters.

Maybe two categories:

1. Getting through 100 cones any way posssible, any grade, surface, tow yourself behind a motorcycle at the start - whatever.

2. Specified "flat" course within some spec flatness, with push distances called out. Any cone spacing you want.

Let the previous world record either stand on its own or be lumped into the 1st category.

Cone specs would be important (height, diameter, weight (Turners would be a good place to start))

Cone penalties TBD or require a clean run.

Gotta find a place in Seattle to do this. Maybe have a 100 cones race in a dry place before the FCR season starts.

Jack Smith · Post by **Jack Smith** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:20 am

Vlad,
The Guiness documentation is not specific to slalom. It is explains the requirements for witnesses,submitting, etc. I think a good plan would be to have everyone who competes in the 100 cone challenge from various parts of the world submit the paperwork to Guiness. It would make the record look more legit.

ur13 · Post by **ur13** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:19 am

0.1 cone penalty, no DQ. Over 100 cones 0.1 could add up quickly, especially at the end (last 30 cones).

fatigued legs are a bitch.

Vlad Popov · Post by **Vlad Popov** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:03 am

Wes,

Gilmour was seen carving (snow) at Killington Resort today. People are looking for him on at least 3 forums, and he’s nowhere to be found. Oh, where’s John when you need him? Also, I believe it was Jani Soderhall who organized the competitions in which John participated in EU.

Jack,

I’m very much interested in what Guinness has to say about the push start distances. We can try them all this weekend. Do they say anything about cone penalty? Should we just take 0.1 as a standard, or is it really clean runs only?

Some thoughts:
Road surface/pitch and wind are important “variables” that can’t be standardized.
The pitch can be unlimited; if it’s too steep, no matter what board one uses 1.7 m cones or so will be impossible to skate. There is probably one road grade that’d be optimal for skating tight slalom courses, and I’m sure it’s not 12%.

Vlad.

Wesley Tucker · Post by **Wesley Tucker** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 1:52 am

If I remember correctly what Gilmour told me, the penalty is DEATH if you hit ONE. This is sort of a giant "Cyber Slalom": it's an all or none situation.

As soon as JG gets online again and reads this thread, he can fill in all the details. If I remember correctly, he was involved in two 100-cone slalom events events during his travels across the pond.

Jack Smith · Post by **Jack Smith** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 1:01 am

Cone Penalty?

Brian Morris · Post by **Brian Morris** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 9:44 pm

I have 2 spots in Hawthorne, one on mostly flat and a curved hill that you can run about 100 cones, maybe more. Hopefully the town will give me the permit to run a race early next season around March or so.

Regards,
"Brain"

ur13 · Post by **ur13** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 9:25 pm

I agree with jack. Limited the the push to say 20' (2 huge, 3 good pushes or 4 little pushes for msot people) is a good thing.

I think a record should be for the following
-100 cones with 20' push start, flat
-100 cones with a ramp flat + hill (FCR ramp?)
-100 cones on a hill (defined pitch?)

Jack Smith · Post by **Jack Smith** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 9:17 pm

Hey fellows, this does sound like fun. We have a spot here on the central coast where we can give it a try.
One suggestion I would make is to have a limited push, be it 25', 50' or 100'. I have all the documentation forms from Guiness, I can email them to anyone who is interested. They recently sent the forms to me to use for documentation of my next skate across America. Also maybe have two records, one for a course on a hill and another for a course on the flat.

ur13 · Post by **ur13** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:34 pm

Jani - the Morro Bay course (sunday, day 2) was what 50-60 cones. You saw how many people were huffing and puffing by the end of that one!

vlad - yes I do remember that side of the lot. The pitch is flatter to so it will give the newbies a chance at making 100. Their speed won't build up to a point where they just start popcorning!

I figured we will see some "vlad inspired" tight courses this winter in DC. I have a secret "plank killer" deck (yes it is a turner) for your courses. No more being stuck with a 8.375" pig in 5' and under!

see you on the 7th.

Vlad Popov · Post by **Vlad Popov** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:23 pm

Chris! How are you?!!!

Yes, the idea seems exciting enough by itself! We want to try it this weekend and see if it’s doable at Walker. P@R should not be a problem as well; remember the left side of the lot - it’s not as steep and it appears to be long enough? - I think it’s a perfect place for a 100-cone course right there!
Also, we will test one place tomorrow and if it fits what it’s supposed to fit, we might have something really BIG this winter! Like really-really BIG. Bigger then a 100-cone course! But only about 25% of the length. Not a word anymore....

Thank you, Jani. I guess we’ll just make up new rules so that we can (unofficially) beat the world record. No ramps, only a timer and an unlimited push start. Some cones too!
We have a chance to try 6 and 5.5 feet courses at ones.
Will keep the community posted.
Good luck Michael on the other side of US!
Vlad.

Jani Soderhall · Post by **Jani Soderhall** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:12 pm

When you come up to 70 or so you start to get really, really tired.

Enjoy!

ur13 · Post by **ur13** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:07 pm

Vlad - I'm in for this one. Looks fun! Lets run it at one of the DC winter outlaw races. I don't think the P&R will hold 100 cones but maybe you guys have another spot.

Most of have ever run was 85 cones 6'OC (ran out of room), 100 should be interesting.

Jani Soderhall · Post by **Jani Soderhall** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:01 pm

How about this picture for a start. It gives you the kind of slope we used in 1995.

It would have been better if we would have done on completely flat ground, because it would have been the only fair way to reproduce it. But unfortunately that was not the case.

The timing strips were set at the first cone and at the last. We used to the start ramp to get started.

More info to follow...

Michael Dong · Post by **Michael Dong** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:05 pm

Seattle area skaters are also interested! It will be a bit difficult to find a 700+ foot hill to set the course on. The media for a given location might find this amusing enough to put on the evening news since it will be an attempt at a world record.

This will be tough since I have a hard enough time putting in a clean run through 40 or 50 cones.

Vlad Popov · Post by **Vlad Popov** » Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:35 am

Jani,
Could you please post rules/guidelines for running 100-cone courses, i.e., if there are standard ramp and cone distances required, or it is up to the organizers/skaters to decide. We want to try running a 100-cone course in a near future in the DC area (with an unlimited push start), and some people from California are interested as well.
We feel it is time to post a new world record... or just try to make it to the end of the course...

Thanks.

Vlad.

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