OFFICIAL Guinness Slalom Skateboard World Record - New event

[Hans Koraeus]

If we want World Records that are worth anything we need some rules and some organisation to back them up.

[Marcus Seyffarth]

Perhaps the discussion just changed direction.

Hey guys, I just want to make one correction about my post on the 50 con record vid. I said all times were done with tape strips, one however was not. My filmed run there, the timer did not give me a time and I late used the video frame by fram to get an approximate time. The Video is much higher quality that what is shown due to compressing, so this is possible. The vid is only 12 frames per second so I had to take the time from when my front wheels hit the tape strip, (exactly in one frame) to when My board passed the last cone. The run was definitely under 10 sec, but probably not the exact time of 9.97. I jus aired on the high side. Sorry for this, I put the whole deal together so fast...

If you wan't to discard my run on this basis, that's fine. I'll go do it again.

By the way, if you are supposed to break a record outdoors, perhaps we should agree on that you at least need to do one run each direction and average the times. There is always wind and some slight slope.

[Jani Soderhall]

Mark,

The discussion is over.

Zak Maytum: 9.97 sec.

/Jani

[Mark Roberts]

Seems I'm going to pi%$ everyone off now!
I cant beleive this discussion is still going on!
I've been skating since 74 and only heard of the ISSA a month ago!
When did the ISSA suddenly become the "Final word" on any record set by a skater
I certainly dont remember voting!

[Hans Koraeus]

Seems there is an endless need for reminding of the 100 cone rules:

100 cone rules ver 1.3
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1. Course
100 straight "full sized" cones, timed from the middle of first cone to the middle of the last cone.

2. Cone penalty
Cone penalty 0.1 sek for each "cone hit". (Cone limit to be discussed. 11 cones and more is a DQ?)

- "Full sized" = Minimum base diameter 12,5 cm / 5" and minimum hight 20,5 cm / 8".
- "Cone hit" = Fallen cone or outside base circle.

3. Official World record titles
- Fastest run (time with cone penalties)
- Fastest clean run (time with no cones displaced)

4. Official results/events
Results from a 100-cone discipline on a minimum Prime status event. 2 competition runs for each racer. Best time counts (including cone penalty of course).

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Blaze into a 100 cone straight course with whatever start you like, on any hill, with any slope, with any surface, with any wind, with any cone spacing in any temperature and adjust your time with penalties. The smallest adjusted time wins.

Do it with your friends and you have an unofficial record. Do it at an official event and you might just break the official world record.

This is the easiest way to handle different courses and still be able to compete against the same World Record.

Something to note with these rules also is that you can never alone or with a couple of friends set up a course and make official World Records.

Lucas record from -95 was set with these rules. And the rules was done to take into account Martin Sweeneys record from before that.

What is missing is a shorter version for Winter/Indoor events. (25-30 cones)
And a medium long outdoor version. (around 50-60 cones)

[Martin Drayton]

BIG CONGRATS Boys! You must have been flying...Oh, to be young and fit enough to try it for hours, I think I can only usually manage 5 or 6 good runs.....but add your ages together and I'm still older I did 11.22 off a short run-in the dry days before the record attempt (the original record was in drizzle on wet tarmac), http://www.silverfishlongboarding.com/a ... for-slalom!/ , so figured getting in the 10's would be easily doable off a longer good run-in....but to break 10, thats awesome!
Glad its inspired more people to have a go, lets see those times fall! Guess I'm going to have to get out there again before winter sets in!
Martin.

[Donald Campbell]

mhhhh i will set up a course at my factory
some takers might come this week
will be interesting

[Donald Campbell]

it would be interesting to see the times of you,janis,marcus,henrik,dom,homer...
go for it

[Ramón Königshausen]

Oh no, now people start parcticing to beat records. Gosh.
Let's see what I can get.

Good I can combine that with my graduation paper. Thanks for letting me get that idea.


rmn

[Donald Campbell]

ppower(PAVEL;PPS)
check this, zak maytum posted on ncdsa:

Hey guys,
a couple days ago, my friend Martin Reaves and I went to the only flat place in Colorado and gave the new 50 cone challenge a shot. It was easier than we expected to go fast, but harder than we expected to go clean. In fact, it was really, really hard to go clean. It took several hours to get these times.

Martin Reaves: 10.275 sec.

Zak Maytum: 9.97 sec.

Here's the video of our fastest runs, sorry for the poor quality. All times were recorded with a tapestrip system so they're accurate.
http://s204.photobucket.com/albums/bb18 ... record.flv

[Martin Drayton]

The rules about clean or not needn't to be voted.

There is an official World Record of 100 Cones done by Luca Giammarco.

As Martin Sweeney had the same rules "Penalty of 0.1 seconds per Cone" the world record rules for a 100 Cone is clear.

/J-Rad

Just so you know J-Rad there are an awful lot of people out there who think there should be a 100 clean record too....And theres no point people saying thats too hard,Its MEANT to be hard, personally I don't see it as that great an acheivement to go clear for 90 and plough the last 10 straight for example...

[Martin Drayton]

LMAO !!!!!!! Thanks Ed...

[Eddie Spearing]

Martin D. Fear ye not. You see, it hasn't all been in vain. You have been a spark plug, a catalyst to create a way ahead for an underground sport once again in your life. Thru the early smoke and gloom a new gold standard has arisen, backed by the very highest powers of our humble pastime. They will Stride forth to do battle at any Price. The Sweeny Todd in their fast 70's Cortina's will zoom into battle against the dark forces of the Guiness empire bringing their Federation in-line with the new skate Jedi. Radikal & GOG will become the new gods, extinguishing the Lazers of old. Independant we will be, Track(er)ing the ZigZags we have made, throwing Blastwaves of Seismic proportions before us. We will long for our Avalon and the Fyre inside us all. We will walk with Pistols in out Pockets. The record will fall, and fall again, as if hit with an Axe.
Goad made me do this.

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

The rules about clean or not needn't to be voted.

There is an official World Record of 100 Cones done by Luca Giammarco.

As Martin Sweeney had the same rules "Penalty of 0.1 seconds per Cone" the world record rules for a 100 Cone is clear.

I did a concept for this, how it can be.

Start by Start ramp, no Cones distance specification, max. 10 Cones otherwise DQ, Start ramp 4 meter before the first cone, timing from the center of the first to the center of the last Cone.

Website is in development.

- posting unofficial results by racers who try it in the training or on low status events
- posting official results, by send it from a race organizer who put up a 100 Cone World Record or held it at a high status event.
- information about the 100 Cone World Record
- video, text, pictures
- Interview with the WR holder and Racers on WR Events

The website is hosted on a Server of an ISSA-Member. Not possible on the ISSA-Server because of the Framework which works on his Server. He save a lot of time with programming in this way. There are possibilities to give different access to the Framework. The site is multi-lingual and can be easily translated online through access on the Framework.

The concept will be send to the ISSA BOD and they can test the website.

Another point which is mentioned in the concept is, that there should be an official organisation which is responsible for the running of the 100 Cone World Record. Official means that there is an association which is state-approved in the country where she is.

/J-Rad

[Pat Chewning]

I agree with Jani's comments and Jack's comments.

The ISSA should establish WORLD RECORD rules for a VERY LIMITED number of events, and work with Guiness to set these records.

In my opinion, there would be at MOST 3 events, and the leading candidates would be:
Flat 25-cone tight inline (push start) -- identical to Cyberslalom
Flat 50-cone tight inline (push start) -- identical to Martin Drayton's recent record (except simplified timing)
Sloped 100-cone tight inline -- Like Martin Sweeney's World Record


We would vote on whether they need to be clean runs or cone-penalty runs...... Except for Cyberslalom which has been consistently clean-run only.

We might not be able to use the word "Cyberslalom" -- it might be a trademarked name of NCDSA .... but we could ask them if we can use the word....

But it won't happen unless someone volunteers to write those rules, resolve the conflicts and controversies, and then publish the results. The ISSA BOD should assign this to someone.

-- Pat

[Jani Soderhall]

I think 30, 50, 100 cones would be enough. Hmm, maybe an 80 cones also...

Don't forget about the real ones we have Cyber and French Cyber. Drop the 30, possibly the 50 and the 80 cones. There's no reason to have one world record for every 10 cones.

/Jani

[Hans Koraeus]

Those records will not do Martin

Once ISSA decides which numbers we should stick to the others does not mean a thing.

I think 30, 50, 100 cones would be enough. Hmm, maybe an 80 cones also...

[Wesley Tucker]

any help/suggestion apreciated!

Make the cone 14-feet wide on a 12-foot wide road.

[Martin Siegrist]

I'm proud to announce my 1 cone world record attempt! I'm planning to have 1 cone and 1 light beam which works as start and finish line at the same time. Sorry I can't use a tape swith, I'd catch air going over such a thing at 100km/h so does that go with the rules if I'm using a light beam?

any help/suggestion apreciated!

[Jani Soderhall]

...perhaps we should approach them about setting up a WR attempt together.

They have encouraged us to do so. Marcus contacted them and they said that the ISSA should make the decision, certify the record and then submit it. I think it would be appropriate that a member of the board takes on this task. You're probably a good candidate as you've had previous contact with them.

I agree with Corky that any and all future records within the slalom discipline(s) should be governed by the ISSA. At least as long as such a record is within our domain and is comparable to the kind of slalom we regularly do. ie 40 cones, 50 cones, 100 cones and all other similar slalom records. If someone wants to do a handstand slalom WR, we'll just let them do it.

Guiness has a lot of real records covered and is a source of inspiration for many young, but we should also let them know that they'd better control the situation or they will quickly loose their credibility.

I hope the new ISSA BOD will have this regulation on their agenda - if we are to remain credible.

/Jani

[Jack Smith]

Those rules should stand for Guinnes themselves also. They should not be able to do their own officla slalom World records without sanction of ISSA. Then they will just be Guinnes world records and that is just a circus. Some may be true offical world records. Others may not. When there are governing bodies they should have their say. I don't think Guinnes could make their own 100m lap and timing it themselves and say that that is the official World Record. It would only be a guinnes world record. That just says it all.

Maybe, I'm not reading the above correctly. Let me start by saying I am an ISSA Board Member and support the efforts of the ISSA.

Because a record is in the Guinness Book does not necessarily make the record any less valid. I agree that there are many "lame and silly" records in the book. If Guinness set up a 100 cone attempt, following the accepted guidelines, it could and should most certainly be considered a WR.

Rather than taking an "us versus them" attitude, perhaps we should approach them about setting up a WR attempt together. If we want slalom to grow we must partner with the media, we need to take advantage of their reach. We all know that slalom doesn't even register on the radar of the contemporary skateboard media.

[Mark Roberts]

Hey thank's bud

It was a great day out.

I know some people havent received this well - but my hope is people will take it for what it is - exposure for our passion!

At the end of the day - we all love to skate - and as long as we are skating - skating isnt dead - my 2 cents - pounds - euro's whatever

[Marcus Seyffarth]

could be a world record of best documented run as well...

Nice video!

[Mark Roberts]

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/868141/co ... ld_record/

[Andy Bittner]

Martin, Two things... first, I should've trusted you'd present a fair and balanced veiw of our sport, as much as possible, emphasizing the differences between an event like a Guiness World Record tv show and our actual sport. I'm sorry I didn't give greater consideration to the fact that it was you who did all this. Second, you wouldn't be the first in this particular sporting community to attempt to disabuse me of my opinion that any coverage, even poor or inaccurate coverage, is better than no coverage, and believe me, if Chaput couldn't do it, you're not going to either. It's just a fundamental difference in outlook. As an example, several years ago, I was very proud of and excited by the coverage of one of the Morro Bay World Championships, when that event made it to television (if I recall correctly, it was a Christmas morning broadcast), at the same time and thereafter, I still wish the Thrasher article about the FCR-San Francisco race had never been published. I can't imagine that article created any net gain in the popularity of slalom skateboarding.

[Hans Koraeus]

Here is a topic from the good old days trying to set up official 100 cone rules so that we could have official World Record attempts.

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/phpBB ... &start=100

It seems like the last version with the latest ideas with the current slalom scene looked something like this:

100 cone rules ver 1.3
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1. Course
100 straight "full sized" cones, timed from the middle of first cone to the middle of the last cone.

2. Cone penalty
Cone penalty 0.1 sek for each "cone hit". (Cone limit to be discussed. 11 cones and more is a DQ?)

- "Full sized" = Minimum base diameter 12,5 cm / 5" and minimum hight 20,5 cm / 8".
- "Cone hit" = Fallen cone or outside base circle.

3. Official World record titles
- Fastest run (time with cone penalties)
- Fastest clean run (time with no cones displaced)

4. Official results/events
Results from a 100-cone discipline on a minimum Prime status event. 2 competition runs for each racer. Best time counts (including cone penalty of course).

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Blaze into a 100 cone straight course with whatever start you like, on any hill, with any slope, with any surface, with any wind, with any cone spacing in any temperature and adjust your time with penalties. The smallest adjusted time wins.

Do it with your friends and you have an unofficial record. Do it at an official event and you might just break the official world record.

This as close as we get to an offical ISSA World Record Ruling.

One could imagine other records with the same rules just changing the number of cones but I think there should be some decided numbers. There is a logic why they don't set records in athletic games running 99m or 103m. They use 60m, 100m, 200m, 400m aso
If someone would set a new record on 95m who would care?

The only World Records we should care of on this forum are ISSA World Records.

The rest is just media francy. Not saying that is bad. And I think that Martin D as Martin S did a media scoop doing so. Media is good. But let's just se it as it is. Media coverage. Guinnes slalom records does not mean a thing unless they are granted by ISSA as they seem to think themselves according to Marcus S. Those rules should stand for Guinnes themselves also. They should not be able to do their own officla slalom World records without sanction of ISSA. Then they will just be Guinnes world records and that is just a circus. Some may be true offical world records. Others may not. When there are governing bodies they should have their say. I don't think Guinnes could make their own 100m lap and timing it themselves and say that that is the official World Record. It would only be a guinnes world record. That just says it all.

This has been a topic since many,many years back. This is why we tried to make up the rules once and for all at the time. Maybe now it's really the time to get it into the offical ISSA rulebook with some last fixes and some predefined cone numbers.

[Martin Drayton]

Andy, I KNOW you have done plenty in the past and am not suggesting you have not contributed, but we need to get the word out now to those who are not already involved.

It just so happens that I do not subscribe to the mindset that any publicity is good publicity, and despair when I see the good and earnest efforts of well-intended people result in exposure I worry will complicate people's impression of the sport..

How can they have an impression if they don't know about it in the first place? And as I said previously anyone watching that show should come away with the impression that it was an event dreamed up for GWR purposes and we do different stuff, like this....then they see all the other stuff we shot.

[Miguel Marco]

does that mean I cant be President of the ISSA?

Goad: you would definetly have my vote... if I had one.

[Jeff Goad]

I, for one, cannot wait to see what 2008 brings for the ISSA.
I predict great things if we are all smart about it and take this organization seriously.

does that mean I cant be President of the ISSA?

[Andy Bittner]

Martin, Please accept my very sincere apologies for taking up more of your time and for expressing a general opinion in a manner that seemed personal. I consider you a friend and had no intent of attacking you for your effort. It just so happens that I do not subscribe to the mindset that any publicity is good publicity, and despair when I see the good and earnest efforts of well-intended people result in exposure I worry will complicate people's impression of the sport. I applaud you for taking advantage of the opportunity presented. As for what I've done for the sport lately, one has only to ask that question once to find out just how much it hurts me to be so financially unsteady as to have no time, funding, transportation or energy to involve myself, more actively, in our sport. Nonetheless, since you asked, in the past 5 years I have organized four or five widely acclaimed slalom events, travelled (on my own dime) to several major race events, to set courses and assist in the event operation, and gave considerable time and effort to my attempt to found the U.S. Slalom Skateboarding Federation. So, although not active in the past two years or so, it's not exactly like I'm a completely uninvolved crow watching from a nearby fence rail.

[Martin Drayton]

...with you 100% Cat.

[Cat Young]

This sport is not going to grow if we keep fighting amongst ourselves.

Constructive arguments can lead to change. Name-calling and bashing leads to nothing except looking like a childish ass.

We have to all work together, all countries, to make skateboarding better, to attract more people, younger people... and that means women/girls also. (Ella is and will be GREAT for the sport) This is the kind of talent we need to seek out.

We need young downhillers to compete. We need park skaters, ditch riders, longboarders, snowboarders, etc......

How do we do that? By them listening to old men & women with gigantic egos bickering about who is faster or better? I don't think so.

My argument always comes back to Marcus Rietema.
He is President of the IGSA and has put on events all over the world with HUGE sponsorship money.

For those ISSA members still contemplating who to vote for, take a look at the posts Marcus has made, or better yet, Google him.
And..... for those of you that don't know, Marcus has been nominated to the 2008 ISSA Board of Directors.
If you have not placed your vote, I ask that you consider very carefully the choices you have. There are some great nominees this year.

We need people like Marcus in here fighting for us & bringing his many, many years of knowlege of skateboarding, contests, scheduling, and GETTING THINGS DONE, and more importantly, not caring about being liked by everyone. Ruffling of feathers will inevitably happen.

I'm guessing that all the nominees know, if it grows our sport, who really cares?
A leader needs to lead, not worry about winning a popularity contest.

I, for one, cannot wait to see what 2008 brings for the ISSA.
I predict great things if we are all smart about it and take this organization seriously.

[Donald Campbell]

what is wrong with this scene?

it's only bash bash bash on martin.


hey,it's over,let it go.
martin did his part for the sport.
if you don't like it,do something better.
it's easy as it is

besides that,i know martin as a very nice person and i honestly hink that he doesn't deserve this kind of "attention".

show some class,please

[Martin Drayton]

Why don't those who I've clearly offended all write at once, this is like a friggin' relay! I thought this was done...I really don't have the energy for this anymore, my mother is not expected to last much longer and I have more important things to worry about..

At least I woke you from wherever you've been sleeping! What have you done for slalom lately GBJ? I'm hoping that if one person finds out about what I did and starts to slalom it will have been worth it. Why is it the only people to give me a hard time are 'old time' slalomers? In this century with more awareness and appreciation of sports out of the norm, let people see it and decide for themselves.
Surely as a first step to introduce the sport to people who know nothing about it, this is not a bad step.Would you rather they didn't know about it at all? That was a really successful strategy from the late eighties up to about 2002 wasn't it GBJ....Hmmmm?
Maybe you should wait for the programme before you jump to conclusions and see that:
-I talked about different types of racing and slalom.
-Riders demoed different boards.
-I showed how different boards were for events like GS/Hybrid and LDP
-Riders showed different types of courses
-Dual racing was explained etc.

...and they will think that slalom skateboarding is about wiggling frantically through straight lines of cones on flat surfaces; slalom at its worst!

No they won't. I explained that this was not what we normally did. At least I'm out skating and making some kind of effort to get it in the public eye, what are you doing?

Jani noted that he wasn't sure whether the people thinking a certain time is a WR was good or not. Who cares about the number? I know that presenting slalom to new audiences as a highly-esoteric, rigid, boring, nerd sport is not good.

Your words..TO A NEW AUDIENCE-exactly!

This is what the sport was reduced to in the early-80s, as it was, more and more, confined to freestyle areas in skateparks, then the sport died for about 20 years. Hmmm... I wonder if these two truths might be, somehow, connected?

Firstly we are not going to let it be confined to skateparks, what a rediculous thing to say especially for someone of your intelligence.

(Although none of this is meant to disparage Martin's efforts or intent.)

If its not, how come I feel PISSED OFF....AGAIN!

ps.The saddest thing for me? If someone Googles Guinness and slalom skateboard....this crap comes up first....Well done, shot ourselves in the foot again!

[Andy Bittner]

...and they will think that slalom skateboarding is about wiggling frantically through straight lines of cones on flat surfaces; slalom at its worst! Jani noted that he wasn't sure whether the people thinking a certain time is a WR was good or not. Who cares about the number? I know that presenting slalom to new audiences as a highly-esoteric, rigid, boring, nerd sport is not good. This is what the sport was reduced to in the early-80s, as it was, more and more, confined to freestyle areas in skateparks, then the sport died for about 20 years. Hmmm... I wonder if these two truths might be, somehow, connected? (Although none of this is meant to disparage Martin's efforts or intent.)

[Jeff Goad]

wow all this shit is starting to make me look good, maybe I'm not the biggest asshole out there.

good job MD i wish i would have done it.
my time would been in the 15's that would have really pissed people off.

[Paul Price]

Great Job Martin, its a top achievement and we're proud

Nice exposure for the sport as well.

I wonder how many million Chinese will start slalom when
they see it on TV. Keep us posted!

[Martin Drayton]

Thank you both, I really appreciate it!

[Sammy Nogueira]

Congratulations and Cheers!

[Erik Basil]

Martin, it's been said and bears repeating: congratulations and Cheers on a job well done to get slalom skateboarding on television and, presumably, in a tone far better than "mainstream skate" magazines and business interests would ever do. Now all you have to do is hope that the big broad world out there DOESN'T discover ISSA's site and see old men bickering like petty, spoiled children. Sure, it's the same jerks over and over again, but it sure ruins the party when they take the first opportunity, every time, to piss in the punch. What a great vision of this sport they present, eh?

Jack Smith nailed it, in my view. Good on you, Martin and "Piss Off!" to the bickering ninnies.

[Michael Stride]

Ok.

At the Bish Bash I was told that all runs had finished. And after that you took 3 runs. Thats 3 runs after my 'final' run. You took more runs than me, at all times you took more runs than me, as I was cone counting. You continued to race after I was told to stop. Difference was you bitched about me having a faster time in front of almost everyone there, but not me, as I was cone counting.


Wasteland. The timing was dependent on two people with stopwatches timing to a signal from the starter. So you averaged the times. When it was your run you had a different person operating one of the stopwatches. If you cant see where multiple errors and inconsistencies occur then I can't help you. The format was everyone took runs in order. Except for the eventual winner, you, who, having seen ALL the times had two runs consecutively.


I only found out that those times went to a ranking system this week. After all, in your words it was a 'fun' event.

If it was anything other than 'fun' I'd have expected the UKGSA trackmate sysem to have been there, and functioning.


I expect to see those points removed from Corkies system. Perhaps the person who sent them should clarify how the timing was done?

[Paul Price]

Michael Stride, what is your problem? I can't believe what I have just seen you have posted about me.

I am upset you have publicly posted that I am a cheat and have 'screwed you over'.

I am completely innocent of your accusations.

Normally I don't comment on your frequent lame posts on the Internet but when you personally attack my integrity on a public forum I feel I must respond.

The fact that you do this during the ISSA elections THIS WEEK in which I am nominated (people are hopefully voting for me) is another reason why I feel I have to publicly defend myself.

The fact you said nothing at the time of these events or have said nothing to me since means these attacks on me are totally unexpected. You also imply Martin, Curt and Big Steev were in on this alleged conspiracy against you.

I expect a full public retraction and apology in response to this post.

No excuses, no justifications, just a complete apology for the untrue things you wrote about others and me.

This is the full post of what you wrote:

07 Oct 2007 22:26

Martin, I will say this publicly once.

Records are there to be broken.

You took your opportunity.

I have done the same. There is NO difference.

PLEASE break my time. I know you probably can.

Slalom is for everyone, it is not your show. You must be prepared for someone to beat your time. I have done that.

The fact you did it in the wet was not MY problem. Thats yours. What you did is set a benchmark.

Understand that and see it for what it is. A race of sorts, and having been screwed over in the last two races by you and Paul taking more runs than I had and was told I was allowed to take, and secondly have a race where the times were taken by stopwatches to be beaten by Paul OPERATING one of the stopwatches, then I find that the times are submitted to corky.....


DO NOT TELL ME OR IMPLY HOW I SHOULD SLALOM. OR TREAT MY FRIENDS.
THINK ABOUT IT.....

Here are the facts:

The two races you mention were fun, grassroots events with no start ramps and no timing equipment.

1. Bish Bash held 21 July 2007 was a jam style event,

You blew out a few runs because you were pushing so hard you were hitting cones, and did not complete the course. These runs were not written down, you could have had as many runs as you wanted.
The guy doing the start signal was drunk and his reactions got slower as the day progressed, Munch wrote his stopwatch times down as he saw them. The times were for fun. Everyone else enjoyed the event.
You did not say anything at the time or the months after.

Times recorded by Munch, times of your blow out runs not recorded:


All photos from the Bish Bash http://www.flickr.com/photos/39089904@N ... 952449156/

2. Wasteland event 19 August 2007- Fun event, no ramps, no timing, rain showers all day.

We wanted to get some times in case it started raining again, then we would go to double elimination racing.

Yes I was OPERATING one of the stopwatches, Curt had the other. Because of the bad timing at Bish Bash I wanted two timers to get fair and consistent times. I stood at the bottom of the hill with Curt and we both had stopwatch reaction times within 1/10 of a second. We wrote both our times down and cone penalties after each run. Skaters were able to see their times written down after their runs. Then after about an hour of taking every ones runs I had my two runs, stiff, cold and without practice. Curt continued taking the times with Martin to get my 2 times. Then Big Steev added the times to give an average time. I can assure you that Curt, Martin, Big Steev and I did not cheat you or anyone else. It was a fun event. Everyone else enjoyed the event.
You did not say anything at the time or the months after.

Times averaged and written by Big Steev from 2 stopwatches:


All the photos from Wasteland http://www.flickr.com/photos/39089904@N ... 558137939/

If you wanted to race with electronic timing there were races in Paris, Hanover, Riga, Gothenburg, the Europeans in Grenoble and the Worlds in North Carolina. If you had attended these events you would have got the times you deserve (submitted to Corky) as a full time professional skateboarder and skate business owner. I went to all these events whilst in a full-time office job.

I resent having to waste my time responding to your post. Listen, I don't care what you bitch about me behind my back.

However in the future if you have a problem with me be a Man and talk to my face, we can sort things out much quicker that way.

Once again, I expect nothing less than a full public apology from you.

[Martin Drayton]

racetrack like in - verynicesurfaceandlongsmoothslopes?

Smooth enough for you?....Hmmmmm.....Could be perfect don't you think? 100 cones on butter smooth asphalt, we just need the weather to co-operate. Apparently it did last year, but if I'm still in the UK then....I bet it will be snow

Martin.

[Toby Warg]

12.26

Well done Toby!

Sorry, I should have been more clear.
It is not my time, but Michael's. You can read it on the display at the end of his video.

[Marcus Seyffarth]

racetrack like in - verynicesurfaceandlongsmoothslopes?

[Martin Drayton]

12.26

Well done Toby! I have NO problem with anyone beating the record (I was dissapointed that I couldn't repeat my sub 12 sec times on the day in the wet, I was gonna shoot for sub 11sec), what I had a problem with was the highly sarcastic tone and mocking of my sponsors by someone claiming to be my friend...
So well done Toby. Swedeen does seem to be a true hotbed of slalom right now, so many fast guys!

Marcus, I have done 11.22sec unnofficially.Go for it! I hear you guys might be setting up a 100 cone list of rules, that'll be cool! I think we have a race on a racetrack in Feb, maybe the Brits could give it a go then.I want to try it clean too.

[Toby Warg]

12.26

[Marcus Seyffarth]

[url]Other runs faster.

Nice with a WR Martin - Congrats! I guess getting the diploma was the real effort!
Nice with a new WR Michael - Congrats! But whats the time to beat then?

[Robert Gaisek]

I´m really a rookie on this forum, and maybe I´m getting myself in trouble for this, but..............

[Eddie Spearing]

My oh my... Now HERE's a can of worms...