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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:38 pm

Donald, I'm not commenting on the quality of the GS, or your event. It's gonna be super, it gotta be after all the commotion.

What I wrote was that I think SUPER-G and pool is not very schlalom. Bring all disciplines to one place and throw a big competition, just don't forgot what you called the comp. Was it wc slalom - focus slalom, was it skateboard jam - focus party.

I'm not sure what input was wrong, unjust, grossly misinterpreted or whatever you wrote, perhaps that wasn't aimed at me. I'm sure you agree with me that WE was in it for the pool, not the slalom at sthlm.

If you are selecting the photos, has this thread increased or lowered my chances for a centerfold? :)

btw what was the topic for this thread again?

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Post by Donald Campbell » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:05 pm

marcus:
i don't think you will be able to comment on the quality of the gs race in any way,because you don't know squat about what will happen.you don't know which kind of course will be set for the gs,right?

bottom line-for you

i want to hold a longer gs course than the usual stuff we have seen this season in europe.
fact is,that i do have the longest track at hand-this doesn't imply that i have to use the track to its full extent,ok?
another fact i'm considering in this race,will be a course set to challenge us and also the americans.recent races showed strength and weakness on both sides of the sea in different track-sections and the way they were set.well,this course will be set in a different way and it won't be a cakewalk,it will be exhausting,trust me

bottom line for me

next point:
sponsors sponsor the slalom race not the pool race,at the moment the pool-race is absolutely unsponsored,which will change soon enough.
vans and carhartt pay for the slalom event.
why?
because i'm friends with those guys and they strongly believe in my ideas.
i'm reading so much stuff here which makes me wonder,i didn't have those problems in lining up my main sponsors,this was way easier.
i do have a big influence what will be shown in both mags involved,since i am responsible for the photo selection-i certainly don't need to explain to you why that is so.


one of the strongest attractions this year in the usa were hacketts races and the new pool/bank races-they really got attention,maybe not yours.

i have seen your problems and already commented on them,being the loudmouth that i am.

i took the time to see this year at each event what can go wrong,i will try to improve.

at the end of the day i want to remember that i pushed slalom to new heights,that everybody had a good time and good races-nothing else.

to end this i want you to reflect on your assumptions on certain circumstances which either lead to the sponsoring of this certain event,or on the promotional outcome of it.

you will find out in both cases that your input was highly unqualified and unjust,because-AGAIN-it was only based on your own theories.





























so you are either grossly misinterpreting things or openly claiming false statements-what is it?

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:47 pm

Jadranko Radovanovic wrote:ss.com is a Forum where every one can say what he thinks.
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Clear your debts ;-)

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Can anybody write down a list of all the proposal dates? Would be helpful.

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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:35 pm

Steve Hinzen wrote:The slalomranking is fun, for sure.
But If a skateboarder has the choice between participating in a contest of Brixlegg-range or competiting in another contest to gather some points for the ranking, what will he do?
I would go for the points. Call me narrow minded but I'm not interested in who's winning the killer-class poolrace or who wins the super-g longest-race in history. This is SLALOMskateboarding not DH or pool. Don't get me wrong I skate pool and DH too and enjoy both, but not at a slalom race.

And as J-rad says if it wasn't for the pool thing Stockholm probably wouldn't have had WE as a sponsor. On the other hand if the pool thing didn't happen perhaps a little bit more time could have been put into the slalom comp so that things would have been a little bit more solid at the race. Rain is hard to fix but we all know that wasn't the only issue.

At the end of the day you gotta remember that its a slalomskateboard competition, not a promotion event for all skateboarding, or is it?

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Post by Jadranko Radovanovic » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:15 pm

Of course many people has helped in Grueningen and we will be thankful every time for that !

I don't have even a vote, for what should i fight. Grueningen will be held as every year, we make some things better... We will develop the race himself not any side event's.

I'm sure Donald can do a perfect contest, and he has a lot of Power !
Sorry, but i don't belive that carhartt would sponsor the event when there is no Skateparkrace. The same thing with Stockholm, WE sponsored because there was the pool sessions and legends like Olson, T-Mag, Hackett and all the other's famouse skater's attend it for free. How much they have to pay to Olson and Hackett if they want them only for a pool race ?

Perhaps i'm wrong, but what i think is:
They are sponsoring the Slalom Event because of the Pool Race. What will the magazines show ? Slalom or more from the Pool ?
I don't belive that carhartt or WE or any big Skate Lab will sponsor Slalom, because it's a too small target group for them! And there is the job for us all to promote Slalom. I even don't believe that streetskaters will change to slalom. Do they have enough time to do both? Yes a skater who goes to school for sure, but other ones who has to work the whole day for sure not.

I hope i'm wrong, but that's what I think.

A big step for me will be when i'm in Brixlegg in July and I see thousends of spectators on the Slalom race side not at the Pool race. Than i will be the first who will gratulate to Donald.

Or is a big step something else ?

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Post by Joachim Leonhardt » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:35 pm

@Jadranko and @ all others how are promoting Slalom...

THERE IS A SLALOM SCENE IN AUSTRIA.

Why ? - Because I have had customers who bought Slalom-Equipment from our online store...

... and they used these things to do some Slalom.

maybe the scene is more silent, but never the less ...


... and remember Chris Eggers and I carried some help to have Grüningen more International ... e.g. rules, English translations, .... this was a long time ago ...

... and remember 2003 when some good and well known US-Races were in Grünningen, e.g. R.Carrasco, H.Gordon (Turner), ... please think about this. who was the man / men behind this ?

Grüningen started very small and with some help it began to grow. - - -

I understand that you fight for your Grünningen, but other mothers have nice daughters, too...



Slaolm-discipline AND winning new people, e.g. street & pool skaters.


CONCLUSION
To my mind BrixLEGg is a good chance to go some steps forward.

So, support Donald – because he is on the way to take Slalom a step further

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Post by Steve Hinzen » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:32 pm

Jadranko, beside my very personal ideas about Grueningen I totally agree with You when You write:
What i try to reach is, that we have some guidelines setted how the whole thing should work. Every year it is different how the statuses are decided.
All these discussions are useless as long as the guidelines are not fixed.

One thing is for sure:
If ever somebody will come up with enough money to pull out a BIG contest, the ISSA and their rules will be completely overrun. Nobody knows if this sport might grow any further. But the ISSA should be ready for this situation if it wants to play a role in the future.

For me Brixlegg is one step in a progression.
Donald offers something bigger to slalomskateboarding as it was never offered before. At the same time he is ready to cooperate with the ISSA. Even if he wouldn't need to.
ISSA-status or not: This race will be attractive on its own.

The slalomranking is fun, for sure.
But If a skateboarder has the choice between participating in a contest of Brixlegg-range or competiting in another contest to gather some points for the ranking, what will he do?

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Post by Donald Campbell » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:16 pm

don't coem with your media thing j-rad.
brixlegg has had so much coverage in all the important skateboard magazines,you can't count the pages.
your skateboarding background is different from ours,i know that,this is also ok for what you do and are.
but you should be so open-minded to see the other side also.
we,the skaters with different backgrounds inskateboarding,seasoned guys,want to see slalom grow in the actual skate-media.
reaching the whole world in a european held contest is far more important to me than just reaching one country.especially reaching the main-target group-namely other skateboarders we try to hook on slalom.i think this is more important than attracting mom and dad.
i could have chosena different place in germany to hold this event,but i would have absolutely been unable to offer the package i'm offering now,therefor i decided to choose brixlegg.
maybe you take your time and speak to other skateboarders who don't race and try to find out how famous brixlegg is and how well-known among the vast majority of skateboarders and tourists who often visit the skatepark,since it is such an outstanding terrain to skate.
i also value and honor your arguments,j-rad,but in this certain case i have to ask the majority to overrule certain standards in order to make this thing happen.
the expectations of the sponsors are high in this event and they will also contribute in the after-amrket effect on the venue.

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Post by Jadranko Radovanovic » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:36 am

I'm not agianst a person or any race or any country.

I only want that it should be clear and it should be known how the statuses are setted.

Are there rules or aren't there rules ?

Every European Championchips had a Main Status and it's an important race for Europe, that's way i make it green as setted.
Stockholm is setted green because of the numbers of Event's. There are 7 races in Europe and 8 Statuses.

Perhaps i posted the wrong rule, i mean't what Corky said: The High Statuses races should be over the whole season and not close to each other, what makes sense.

Don i'm not against you or your idea. What i try to reach is, that we have some guidelines setted how the whole thing should work. Every year is diffrent how the statuses are decide.
Why i'm every time asking Jani and Corky is because they have a lot of experience and know how the whole thing can happen.

ss.com is a Forum where every one can say what he thinks.
I think the desicion should be done by an organisation (ISSA) or the race promoters until we have an organisation who is represented by all countries.
I think no country should have more than one Main Status.
At this point where we are now, i think a competition who is the first time in, can't get the highest status, even if they have 100'000 Euros prize money.
I think we need guidlines for the allocation of the Statuses.


Steve by the way,

Yes, Grueningen is small. Yes, Grueningen has a history (first time heard in the year 1038).
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Yes, Grueningen has a slalom competition since 2000. Yes, Grueningen hasn't a Expo Fest where 100'000 people are. Yes, Grueningen had the last 3 year's the most competitor's in an European race. Yes, Grueningen had the most competitor's in 2005. Yes, Grueningen is easy to reach for all. Yes, since the year 2000 there were mor than 180 diffrent skater's in Grueningen from 13 diffrent countries. Yes, Grueningen is in Switzerland. Yes Switzerland has the biggest slalom community. Yes, Switzerland is the most time the biggest representative on Slalom Contest's in Europe. Yes, we started with 24 rider's the first year and we have now 92. Yes, we make it possible for people who can't attend the race to sponsor them to come to Grueningen. Yes we make it possible to race for 20 Euro's two day's. Yes, we make it possible to sleep for free. Yes, we showed that when we make the race on a other place (Zurich) that we have thousends of spectators. Yes, we will have a slalom-series next year. Yes, our Websites will be ready in one week. Yes, we have perhaps the best timing computer. Yes, we (one Electric Engineer, one Informatik Engineer, normally they earn 220 CHF per hour) are developing an Information System for Slalom races. Yes, it will be possible to watch the results on our website with a 5 minutes delay. Yes, we are all young. Yes, we started with 14 year's organising Slalom Competitions. Yes, we will candidate in 2010 for the World's. Yes, there are people who belive in us and who invest time to help us.

Should I state now which Media Coveriges we had ?

How many Flyer's, Poster's, Folder's we printed ? Our Posters in the 62 Busses which are three weeks before the competition in the Busses ?

20'000 Folder's which goes to every post box in our region ?

Which sponsors are in ?

Should i now say the best deal ever you had in Europe ?

No, that's for sure not my way !

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Post by Steve Hinzen » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:57 am

Her come my own ideas about what Jadranko wrote:
The problem is, that a country without a slalom scene will get perhaps the biggest status.
What IS the/Your? problem, Jadranko? I don't get it.

Paris will get out because of the main status in Antibes.
What? Funny rule, isn't it? I mean, You must be pullíng my leg, Jadranko. Paris deserves a MAIN status. I mean, come on! Do I really need to tell You why?

Than it's between Hannover and Grueningen. Who should get the third main Status?
If Grueningen really wants to compete with Hannover, I wish good luck to the smalll village of Grueningen with their handful of spectators and small facilities.

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Post by Donald Campbell » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:31 am

j-rad

i read between the lines and i find it rather sad to see that you are still against what i am doing.it started when i first put on my ideas and you continue to stab me whenever you can.
why that negativeness against brixlegg,or do you have a peronal problem with austrians?

as for austria not being a slalom country,well that's true,but they offer the best playground ever to be seen on the european continent.
i know that you will deny that fact but i also know that your thoughts do not reflect the feedback i received from your fellow countrymen.
why don't you just concentrate on your stuff and try to be good next year?
how about that?


jani

a fact is,that most people get the impression,that either you or corky decide what will go on next year.you know,i'm keeping myself out of the discussion,i know that you only try to set some positive marks for the future,but the general interpretation is as mentioned above,when it comes to defining race-dates in europe.

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Post by Jani Soderhall » Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:37 pm

J-Rad wrote:Jani, Corky,

When will be the other's Statuses setted ?
J-Rad,

I'm not deciding anything. I just make my voice heard like everybody else.
Corky shouldn't really decide anything either, but as he runs the ranking he often draws conclusions to finalize discussions and also sometimes just has to make the decision so that something is decided.
J-Radc wrote:green = setted
Why is Riga and Stockholm already set? Once the Mains are decided and everybody won't get one, I assume there will be discussions on the Prime status.
J-Rad wrote:Paris, Hannover, Grueningen are three weekends in a row.
In other Words, only one of them will get main ?
Brixlegg and Riga may be two weekends in a row.
Does that mean that only one can get a high status? Yes, I think that's what Corky is suggesting. Hmm, then if Brixlegg gets the Major status, then maybe Riga should only be a Prime?
J-Rad wrote:From the time advance rule Antibes will get a Main.
I hope you are misinterpreting this rule. The "time advance rule" is only to make sure events are announced early enough. It doesn't mean they automatically get a high status.

J-Rad wrote:Paris will get out because of the main status in Antibes.
Unfortunately I agree that it may be hard to defend to Main events in France.

/Jani

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:43 pm

Jadranko Radovanovic wrote:The problem is, that a country without a slalom scene will get perhaps the biggest status.

/J-Rad
oukay...thanks for the info

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Post by Jadranko Radovanovic » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:16 am

Jani, Corky,

When will be the other's Statuses setted ?

green = setted

Major:
Brixlegg
Antibes

Main:
Riga
Grueningen
Paris
Hannover
Brixlegg/Antibes

Prime:
Stockholm


We have 4 candidates for 2 main statuses.
Paris, Hannover, Grueningen are three weekends in a row. In other Words, only one of them will get main ?

There are three countris represented: Germany, Switzerland, France

The problem is, that a country without a slalom scene will get perhaps the biggest status.

From the time advance rule Antibes will get a Main. Than we have only one Main for Paris/Hannover/Grueningen.

Paris will get out because of the main status in Antibes.

Than it's between Hannover and Grueningen.

Who should get the third main Status ?


/J-Rad

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Post by Detlef Rehbock » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:49 pm

We plan another big race for hannover. This year we had a lot of fun with
all you slalomers. we learned on our first race and we know what to do next year.
i think the first race was o.k. so watch out for our second race.

we have big problems with the date, because on the first weekend in june paris will
do there pswc. the expo area is the best place for us, but the big expo party is always on the first weekend in june. but we work on the problem.

you will see the result of our work at the end of the year on www.skateboardworldcup.com

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Post by Jadranko Radovanovic » Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:03 pm

I know, that is directly after Paris, but we started now a big promotion action in Zurich and we want to continue it 2006 in Grueningen.

Here you see how you can do good promotion on and before the race. We print 5000 ex.
By the way, that's what i learn by the latvian boy's !!!
page 1 and 4
page 2 and 3

bad quality on the net, but the printed Folder inspire emotions ! And that is the target...
We will see, if it work's...


As for our promotion in our region fot the World Cup 2006 which will be held in Hinwil (Night giant Slalom) and Grueningen (special Slalom and Nation Cup) we will print 50 000 ex. and this will be distibute in our region where 80 000 people live. Here the map. Oberland Map

The night slalom street is about 700 meter long and it goes down. I will show a video when we get the permissions. Here the map: location

Me and my handicaped people from our psychical house work for a advertisment distribute company, that's way we can do this very very cheep...

We have "Vitamin B" contact to a national tv station and are looking now if we can do somthing with them.

so, that are the newest news... More will fallow perhaps tomorrow...


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Post by Peter Klang » Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:05 pm

Keep in mind it´s World Cup 2006 in Germany.
WC races has to be before or after to get any media.
Paris and Gruningen is perfect.

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Re: European Races 2006

Post by Jani Soderhall » Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:48 pm

Jadranko Radovanovic wrote:Our race will probably be on June 9/10/11 not confirmed yet.
J-Rad,

Bear in mind that it is the weekend directly after Paris which is scheduled for 3/4/5:th of June. There are advantages and disadvantages of these close together races. Some long-travellers ask for them, other dislikes them. The good thing is that there are only 3 days in between, so killing time won't be much of a problem!

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Post by Paul Keleher » Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:31 pm

J-rad

good news on the early dates, hope they are confirmed soon, especially as they don't co-incide with fathers day in the UK

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Post by David Rudnianski » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:35 pm

Normaly, till april, 4 basic races will takes place in Paris for the pirates slalom series. 1 race evry 1st week end of each month. More news will come later.
French Pirates are in the place...
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European Races 2006

Post by Jadranko Radovanovic » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:26 pm

For all race promoters, Let´s start planing 2006 series of europe.


Grueningen will not candidate for the World Champs 2006, because it's not possible to run a race with 150 Rider's.... We have every time around 100 rider's without the Americans, and we don't want to tell our amateurs, that they can't compete next year, because there are a lot of Pro's...

We will candidate for a main status again!

Our race will probably be on June 9/10/11 not confirmed yet.

9. June Night Giant Slalom
10. June Special Slalom
11. June Nation Cup

More will follow in the end of september...


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