[2007] Grenoble - Candidate for European Championship '07

[Jani Soderhall]

I would like to know, are there will be a junior group into this year European championship?

Yes, there will be a junior category in the European Championships 2007, Grenoble.
The plan is to let the top eight juniors qualify for the head-to-head final, so bring your friends too!

/Jani

[Gustavs Gailitis]

I would like to know, are there will be a junior group into this year European championship?

[Hans Koraeus]

Yes, European Championship is official. We are only awaiting the form to be sent in. And for all those who wants to have High status for their event in Europe this year 2007 have a look at this document...

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/ISSA/ ... cation.doc

As Peter explained above we will soon look over the 2007 season. It would be helpful with as much info as possible from the concerning organizers.

[Claude Regnier]

JS- as sonn as Corky receives the application he will send off the approval letter.

We need to have the form so the letter will include proper representation of the organizers as well as other info.

Thanks for everything and Good Luck with the event.

Hope to see you at Paris.

[Jean-Sébastien Dennebouy]

All right, we sent the application form to Philippe.

[alavoine jean paul]

Peace

UNITY, LOVE AND HAVIN' FUN!

[Claude Regnier]

Peter,

Just read an e-mail from Corky and Thanks for stepping in to help out with the European Region.

As for the forms it is important that the Grenoble group fill out and send in the required info. It's the new procedure and will lend value to everything we are trying to do.

The group involved is one of the best around and will have no problem filling out the forms quickly.

[Peter Klang]

Grenoble it is. No forms no bullshit. Let´s race.

All race status will be posted before the 1 of febuary 2007

Peace
PK

[Pat Chewning]

Corky seems to be quite busy these days and with Donald pulling out his bid to host the European Championships of 2007 I believe we should award the event to the organisers of the Grenoble race the "Title of Host" of the 2007 European Championships.

No one else has stepped forward and the Grenoble group has waited long enough for a reply or commitment from ISSA.

Unless anyone has a problem (24 hours from this post) with this I am declaring Grenoble the host of the 2007 European Championships.

Sorry for the delay guys we needed to be fair and clear.

Sincerly,

Claude Regnier
ISSA

Can we have the organizers follow the process by filling out this form and sending it in to the ISSA?

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/ISSA/ ... cation.doc

[Claude Regnier]

Corky seems to be quite busy these days and with Donald pulling out his bid to host the European Championships of 2007 I believe we should award the event to the organisers of the Grenoble race the "Title of Host" of the 2007 European Championships.

No one else has stepped forward and the Grenoble group has waited long enough for a reply or commitment from ISSA.

Unless anyone has a problem (24 hours from this post) with this I am declaring Grenoble the host of the 2007 European Championships.

Sorry for the delay guys we needed to be fair and clear.

Sincerly,

Claude Regnier
ISSA

[Dominik Kowalski]

I wonder if one day your style could look like this

[Ramón Königshausen]

So should we only organize one big contest a year? That's a pity.

No, there's a lot of big contests out there. Stand Up Downhill Contests!

rmn

[alavoine jean paul]

Euro could be European,
.

That is if the the French vote yes to the referendum...

Just kidding again. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF U!

[Vincent Berruchon]

If it's really definitive it's sad - I hope at least you're thinking about 2008?

Differents solutions could have been envisaged (why not a separation between European title and Major status) and anyway nothing was lost for Brix!!

Donald I 'm really surprised. To me why to care about Grenoble or the Euros??
Euro could be European, and you could just organize the biggest World contest.
But if I got you, your sponsors care more about the ISSA association statuses (an association that still doesn't exist!!!) than media coverage and buzz around a great event!!
Seems crazy?? Since when skate companies care about institutions?

You know I don't like the idea to race on flat land (except perhaps for a side cyber-slalom race when it's raining) and you didn't know (??) I'm not an organizer of Grenoble . I help them when they ask as I can help you when you ask me.

So should we only organize one big contest a year? That's a pity.

[Donald Campbell]

to all:
you can't expect a company to flow 30.000 euros into a contest and then tell them that this contest is not the biggest one in europe.
especially when we talk about slalom.
it is different in street or pool-skating,but not in this case we are talking about.
the sponsors involved(3 different skate companies) all think the same.
the discussion has been monitored by the right people in this case and the decision is cast.
the decision itself has not been driven by my side,but i support it and i am so through with being the bad boy who takes away something from others.
i had this discussion last year and i don't want it this year again.

the ranking system has been created and i played with open cards.
i do have a different vision of racing than the folks who organize grenoble.
i also have a different vision of marketing things in order to grow the sport.

the general vibe i heard from the sponsors was:" do we really have to compare brix to grenoble this year?",after they saw the package grenoble had to offer.

having worked a long time in the marketing field of skateboarding my answer was"no".
any other answer would have undermined my credibility i have with those folks.
it's simple as it is.

it's a bit of a bummer for me too not to make brix this year,but i see the sponsors asking themselves what is it good for if brix doesn't get the attention(in the ranking system,again) it is eligible too.
don't forget that brix had the best skate-mag coverage any contest has ever had-on pages featuring the event and also on print-runs.
but maybe we don't need those mags,since they are skate mags?

i tried to bring money and skateboard companies into the sport,but maybe this sport doesn't want it?
maybe flatland racing is the shiznit?

not for me.
i'm out...

[Guillaume Saint-Criq]

it's really sad to read this lines. Fighting about statuses is a non-sense : we all want more good races like Brix' 2006 was, even if the status is basic, prime or main.

Status is not the first motivation for a racer to go to a race : maybe some of us race for money/points but most of us just want to skate in nice places and meet you all slalom skaters.

It's a pity to lost one European race for statuses fighting.

I want to race Brix 2007

[Patrick Allan]

[Ramón Königshausen]

Bummer.

rmn

[Michael Stride]

Grenoble sounds like a great location.

I know the area well.

Its easy for UK racers to get to, with direct flights and also the TGV via Paris. It does get VERY hot in the summer though.

Martin Drayton, Paul Price and I used to spend a lot of time in Les Deux Alpes nearby and in the summer we raced slalom down a main street there. It would be fun to go back.

I enjoyed Austria, but I do LOVE France. I feel at home there.

Good luck with the event.

[Donald Campbell]

dear jean,pierre,jani,vince:
i withdraw the brixlegg euro-championships from my "to do" list for this year.
here are the reasons why:
#1
grenoble will not happen if i take away the euro-title from them?
is this blackmail,or another attempt to make me look bad?
anyway,i'm not gonna produce a race when another race is cancelled because of my "intervention"
let me be the sportsman in this unlucky case and tell you that you can have your desired title for your championships in grenoble.

#2
i was not really sure if i should repeat brixlegg anyway,there are a few reasons for that,but mostly i found the fact annoying that certain people did not hestitate to criticise the event before and after.
so the village with the dusty roads,somewhere in the alps,will not bother your plans this year.

#3
i was stupid enough to flow all the money i received into the event and i even paid on top with my money and my health.now yo



besides that i want you to know what was the plan for this year,at least that is something i want you to know:
a combined event with adio as a second sponsor next to carhartt,holding a contest similar to the etnies european open.some of you know what that means on spectators and media.
coverage in very much different magazines across the world,mtv and eurosports featuring the event in question.
a huge starterfield also on the bowl contests,about 60-100 there too!
i also planned a death race.
the ski-timer-display is history now too.
the prize purse would have been the same as last year's for slalom and i even planned on inviting certain us-racers(paid ticket) over to the contest to make it big enough for the euros.
i could have gotten more money than last year,since the sponsors involved liked the results(especially the media coverage brixlegg had,even though it could have been more for my taste).
last year was 30.000 all in all,by the way.

i made my phone calls and explained to the folks involved my feelings towards the whole situation-see first sentences of the thread-and everybody wholeheartedly agreed on my decision.

so i leave the work to more experienced people now( iheard this often enough here) and wish you all the best of luck for your event.
i will not sponsor this event in any way,since i don't believe that flatland races are the future of this sport,but that is just my own interpretation of it.
maybe you are able to invite a few skateboard-companies to sponsor your event too?
who knows,you surely will.

please note that i'm not throwing stones in your direction,i'm trying to make it easy for you now,but i take the freedom to explain my decision and to show the package that is gone now.it would also be wrong to assume that my list for this year is a lie(that has been said about me here a couple of times)

my decision is final and a result of the procedures involved here.




on the other hand,i want to let you all know that i fully support this year's worlds and that my main focus of interest will shift across the ocean to marion's event and a few others made by people i call friends.

on sponsoring other events this year my decision is as follows:
dete
sam
cbark
jeff
marion
eddy
home grown stuff around the cologne düsseldorf area,there is something cooking...
henrik,if you got something cooking too i'll be there and help and support you!!!
you guys can take my word on this.

[HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric]

I want to race at Brixlegg AND Grenoble, call it Euros championship if you want...

[Schaf]

And what's going on ???

Just a little notice to brixlegg vs. grenoble: Maybe I do not know a lot about skateboarding, but I know something (also just a little) about IT.....and the brixlegg-homepage was not really a good advertisement for a world championship homepage...What I would like to say: You can find good and not so good things in each organisation (not only slalom-contests).

[Jean-Sébastien Dennebouy]

I received a phone call from the organizer today, didn't know what to tell him about the progression of the ISSA subject.
I really want to see that race, and now the organizer and his supports really need an answer about the status.
If the ISSA direction don't take decision they won't have the choice for your 2007 euros, because Grenoble will not take place.

Donald with Brix got the worlds, we just need a chance to set up the euros !

(and happy new year...)

[Donald Campbell]

js i have to wait after xmas.the carhartt crew is stuck in london since 3 days now because of the bad weather situation.

[Jean-Sébastien Dennebouy]

If it's only question of comparaison between Donald's project and our...
Donald we are waiting for you !

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

JS, I think the ISSA will be ready 1.1.2007 too make the decision.

/J-Rad

[Donald Campbell]

i'll post my decision on brixlegg next wednesday.
if it happens again it will be embedded in a european bowl contest with all the worldwide coverage involved in that deal,not nationwide radio adverts.

js...no offense,just take it easy.
lets wait a few days and i'll show you my package for next year.

you top it,you get the euros.
that sounds fair,eh?

[Guillaume Saint-Criq]

JS, you have to speek about that in this topic : viewtopic.php?t=4553

So there will be no event if you don't get Major status?
what about a Main like Antibes got this previous 3 years?

[Jean-Sébastien Dennebouy]

Does someone have news about the choice of the 2007 ISSA European Championship ?

Organization doesn't know what to say to the medias and administrations about the participation on the event.
Like we said before, if we don't have response quickly we will have to cancel all the event... Thanks!

[Jean-Sébastien Dennebouy]

Some news about the Grenoble's race. We sent the rider's file to Claude Regnier about the status question. Now it's online :

http://www.descente.fr/data/Grenoble-Slalom2007.pdf

M E D I A C O V E R A G E

Exactly Donald, as Pierre and Vinzzz said, the best reason why we want the Euros is the media coverage.
Because we know that the medias will like to have some germans, english, swedish, latvian riders to interview... so will make a good publicity to the event in addition to what the organizers and the city will do, and set up a real feeling of european challenge all the week-end. Grenoble is a good city for doing that.

I think that the event like it's presented now will be enough for a lot of riders interested to enter in a good competition... but maybe not enough to go beyond what we are organizing usually in slalom, i rather speak about french events.

So about that question, that is still important and has to be solved before Philippe can go farther, what can decide the ISSA ?

[Vincent Berruchon]

ok I'm back only for 5s.
Media plan estimation: 100 000€!

You should get some real information soon

But as every year we are at the same point, who can decide what is what? ISSA still doesn't exist!

[Ramón Königshausen]

Gosh, no. Not even Switzerland's got snow yet (apart from the really top of the Alpes where you happen to find snow all year long). So you're saying Swedish Indoor Championships are coming?

rmn

[Marcus Seyffarth]

No no no, STOCKHOLM is the center of the universe! At least that's what I've heard... BTW we have snow, can you compete with that?

[Detlef Rehbock]

i tought you are a teacher?
hey jean paul take a look on the map.
Hannover is in the middle of europe. think about the uk and scandinavia and latvia

and think about the autobahn. you can be very fast in hannover.
by the way. we wait for you next year.

greetz. dete

[alavoine jean paul]

Plus Grenoble is pretty central for the European skateboard slalom community (which is owned by noone in particular).

[David Rudnianski]

we can consider there was already a race in Grenoble before the Euros : it was Antibes

right ,same organiser.

[Guillaume Saint-Criq]

we can consider there was already a race in Grenoble before the Euros : it was Antibes

[Carsten Pingel]

FYI ! There was already a race in Brixx before the worlds ! This race was also organised by Donald and showed the potential of Brixx.Skate park skating, Party, Bands playing, Lifetime award ceremony, slalom race, and money and schwag for the best racers !
This race had coverage in the concrete wave mag!

[Detlef Rehbock]

hey pierre, that sounds really good. if you really organize these media coverage, it should be the european championship. i know how much work it is to find all these media partners.
hopefully it´s not a dream. at the moment i vote for grenoble.

[Steve Hinzen]

Thank you for that further information, Pierre.
You wrote:

A gye who isn't able to pump to the end of a flat slalom, may be has to choice something different as an Euro championship to learn

Maybe better You select the riders. So far I understand you want to present slalom as a part of a big show. If so why not present it in the most attractive way? I think a good show of slalom racing is based on:

1. the best riders
2. the most spectacular courses

You could do an invitational race to make it attractive for such a big audience and worth looking at.

I wonder if a race presents itself sucessfully to the public if it is held in the same format as the Euros before. Why not qualify for a big race? Here the ISSA could come into play.

[Pierre Samray]

Hello Detlev. Grenoble will not organize anything in 2008. And think about Brixxleg which organize the "world" without experience this years. So the project is GRENOBLE EURO 2007

Philippe is back from his vacation and will annouce the project himself soon(or give us all the details).
just what I know about the 'media coverage is)
TV : Sport+, France 3 Grenoble and M6 will be there. ah sorry I don't know the word in english. "un plateau" with journalist, champion, interview is previous on the stadium.
RADIO : Europe 2 is partner with hundred of 30 secondes messages. (before and during) same with Europe 2 Geneve.
Several French, youth and skate magazine and Concrete wave for sure...
2000 Posters to distribution, hundreds of giant posters (1m20/1m80) to put in the city (official promotion in the city) 10000 flyers.
PS : Donald : Poster is a big picture you have to put everywhere when you organize a contest for people to understand what happen in their city...

PRICE MONEY : probably about 4000 euros, but not definitive.

I know Philippe never want to announce something before he'll be sure to have it. (well! I prefer that way as people who make promise and don't follow it!).

slalom on flat : For sure isn't the best, but the possibility to have an olympic stadium in a big Olympic city can be more interesting than a dusty street in a lost village even with 2% slope. and to answer Steve...A guy who isn't able to pump to the end of a flat slalom, maybe has to choose something different than a Euro championship to learn (outlaw or national race would be more adapted. What's do Dominik who is now a killer!)
The giant will be held on a bridge in the middle of the city: have you ever see that? (about 400 hundreds meters long and seems so fast at the start).

In fact : As in Paris it will be a "festival de la glisse" with lot of stands and animations. Some big associations will be there. Skate ramps, roller marathon which start and finish in the stadium, hockey and many other are previous. Live music during all the event.

More complete info coming soon.

I have to go to work now.

Best cheers, have fun

[Detlef Rehbock]

Yes, thanks Chris. We need a Calendar for 2007

and hey vinzzz, i am german and not impatient

and i think first grenoble has to show a good event in 2007
and then they can held the euros in 2008

otherwise they are impatient.

keep cool, we are only a few. stay together.

Dete

[Donald Campbell]

POPOL wrote:

P.S. : Sorry Donald I couldn't resist you

hmmm you should be ashamed of yourself

hehehe

[alavoine jean paul]

i own the community

do you?

P.S. : Sorry Donald I couldn't resist this.

[Chris Barker]

ISSA is working on a list/criteria for event that will need to be completed by race promoters.

Different criteri for different race levels.

Quit being so negative and state the facts and what's relative to your own opinion.

Too much negative stuff andvery little imput is being received by the people trying to make the changes for you.

Is the ISSA even functioning? I don't see much activity since it voted on the board and the articles. Please let us know when we can expect to see these criteria.

Also, several weeks after our race, I said that next year's race in Longmont would be held Thursday 8/23 through Sunday 8/26. Can someone start a 2007 calendar and start adding the dates for races already being planned?

Thanks, Chris

[Donald Campbell]

ok easy on that vinzz

i'll try to keep away from this discussion,as long as it doesn't interfere with my plans.
i wish the grenoble guys all the best,honestly.

[Vincent Berruchon]

Media coverage is of course part of the project, they ever have some deals with radios, newspaper, magazines and TV.

but Germans are so impatient!!

To be clear Jean-Seb just annouced in that post that Grenoble will be candidate for the Euros. He and others gave so informations but real things are still to come, so perhaps everybody should wait a little before criticizing what has not been said.

Donald and Steve, do what you want, I won't loose more time here to talk about that for the moment!

[Donald Campbell]

I speak with Philippe the Organizer, this morning. Everything seems to be ok
It should be a great event in the center of Grenoble (for the giant) and on the olympic stadium for the others slalom. At the same moment it could have concerts and others sports activity. There is 3000 sit places in the stadium and Philippe specialized in communication could assure these places will be full. Slalom race with public as athetism meeting! What can we expect better for our discipline?

i will give you the answer to your last sentence which ends with a question:two words

M E D I A C O V E R A G E

[Donald Campbell]

hey vinzzzzzzzzzzz
in all due respect for you,but...........
i opened a complete package,i showed what i had last year-remember that?
then i ask people about what they would like to see as changes for next year's race,if it would be a euro-con.
and then,all of a sudden,somebody jumps in here-not even asking-proclaiming that he does the euros next year.
i see the same lobby again and again.
i am super determined and way too aggressive for most people's taste.
i know what i am,but sometimes i really wonder if the other side also knows what they are doing?
i have no problem with grenoble,i DO HAVE a problem with people who think they know the universe,walk in here,blow up a balloon,ask their buddies to chime in and defend their balloon.

if we talk about professionalism,then please make sure any representation is done that way.

if i would walk to my sponsors with that kind of presentation grenoble has,i would get kicked out of the door.

this is not cool what's happening here.
if ANYBODY wants to pull off a big event,he should do his homework before he walks in here and demands a status.
GLISS EVENEMENTS is not even listed in google-so that a big event organizer?
aha,what can i make out of this then?
DESAXE-how big is that company?
how much money will they pour into the event?
from checking their website i know the answer already

as much as i will get critcism for this statement,please refer to my initial posts on brixlegg last year and take your time to compare.
i don't ask you to blindly follow what i say,but anybody who does this will see the difference.


besides that:did anybody here ask the americans(stupid example,eh?) how many contests they run on flat surfaces per year?
go and check for yourself.
why slopes?
to encourage the ams also to go through a course and not fall asleep during the course.

some answers are really easy.


this is not shittalk i'm doing here,i am stating plain facts and i ask easy questions.
i also admit,that threads like this one make me supersad.


you wanna do biz?
then try to make it at least look professional.

[Steve Hinzen]

Vinz wrote:

a good flat spot won't kill us!

Sure, it won't kill you or me, Vinz.

But what about a newbe-amateur who knows how to turn but hasn't developed his pumping skills yet?
Do you want him to hardly make it to the finish line in front of 3000 spectators?
Will he have a chance to participate in your event or do you want to exclude these future racers?
Seriously, maybe you should invite only the best racers to Grenoble to insure a good show.

So far every race in Europe was open to beginning racers of all levels, whatever the "status" of the race was and most of them did not happen in flat.

The ISSA-members (and everybody else) should think about where they want to go with races in the flat. And they better ask themselves what kind of Euros they want to sanction in 2007. Selected racers and a good show or a chance for everybody to motivate newbees?

I wonder if new talent Dominik Kowalski would have tried slalom in the ESC 2004 if it would have been on a flat course.