[2007] Paris Slalom World Cup 2007, May 26-28, 2007

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Wed May 23, 2007 7:28 pm

ey marcus
dom is coming
he's going with me
got a bunch of wack folks in the car to drop off at the troca

Stefano Bellingeri · Post by **Stefano Bellingeri** » Wed May 23, 2007 5:04 pm

CU soon my dear friend,
I will arrive with an early saturday morning flight. Then a rush to the trocadero, PAYING the fee and....last but not least, trying to be fast....
CU all soon,
Stefano

Claude Regnier · Post by **Claude Regnier** » Wed May 23, 2007 3:04 pm

Oh yeah, Thanks for the shot Fred. Dominic thanks for improving the looks, EH!

Training yesterday included staying awake for a long period then some coaching at the troca. What a great place for a party. Last actual training was Texas. Time before that North Carolina. So when I get my a$$ kicked we'll know why.

MB and I did get some well needed sleep and we're ready. We've had a tough stresstfull time this year with the whole sk8park thing. Last year was tough but less stressful.

Even better when the party is an International slalom race. We seem to have free internet from some nearby provider,

Safe travels see you all soon.

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:38 am

Flavio, yes don't forget your cash to pay saturday morning.

HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric wrote:First arrived, first served !!! what are you waiting for ? Claude is already training !!!

I should start to train too

couldn't not even come yeasterday because of little interview yeasterday night
but hey, no training = new challenge during the race

For what I know Jason is coming (I'd like to contact him but I've lost a lot of emails, it would be cool if someone could give me his contacts).
For the others, know that it's perhaps the last PSWC!

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:18 am

Dom aren't you coming? You're not signed up...

So is not Luca, Maurus and Jason the top 3 at the worlds. Are none of them coming or do you all wait till last minute to sign up?

Dominik Kowalski · Post by **Dominik Kowalski** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:12 am

HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric · Post by **HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:05 am

First arrived, first served !!! what are you waiting for ? Claude is already training !!!

Flavio Badenes · Post by **Flavio Badenes** » Mon May 21, 2007 10:48 pm

Vincent Berruchon wrote:Did I forgot to mention that ONLINE REGISTRATION WILL BE CLOSED ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT (midnight in Paris)

It's last moment to register and pay your inscription fees.

Thank you, see you in Paris

Can we pay cash on Saturday early morning?

Jani Soderhall · Post by **Jani Soderhall** » Mon May 21, 2007 10:48 pm

Stas and Sveta from Ukraine just obtained their tickets to come to Paris!!!

Stas Mironenko was one of Soviet Union's (although we called them all Russians) fastest slalomers back in the days and now he's back again along with his wife Sveta.

It's really great to hear they managed to sort it out and come and see what slalom racing is all about at the Trocadero - in the heart of Paris!

See you all soon! I'm travelling the rest of this week, so I won't be of much help here on the forum (or even via email).

Let the race begin!

/Jani

HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric · Post by **HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric** » Mon May 21, 2007 10:16 pm

Claude Regnier wrote: Looking forward to our tuesday night practice:)

Hey just noticed there is no Nations Cup this year?

If the weather forecast allows, we'll have training sesh' tuesday, wednesday and thursday night around 8.30 PM !!!

Yeah !

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Mon May 21, 2007 9:51 pm

Did I forgot to mention that ONLINE REGISTRATION WILL BE CLOSED ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT (midnight in Paris)

It's last moment to register and pay your inscription fees.

Thank you, see you in Paris

Claude Regnier · Post by **Claude Regnier** » Mon May 21, 2007 8:43 pm

Yes magnets are a good

Idea! I would like to use them to pull back the other rider.

Leaving for the Airport talkto you tomorow. Looking forward to our tuesday night practice:)

Hey just noticed there is no Nations Cup this year?

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Mon May 21, 2007 8:08 pm

Claude Regnier wrote:Way to go. Yes it is a good idea. Although placement would be critical. Perhaps too for a variety of level racers.

Are you able to leave enough room for those that do not take a full pull and also those that rock the start?

Yes it's a bit touchy to try that here... we will walk on it, roll on it before start
the real start would be behing the front wheels, isn't it a bit strange

A good solutions is the kind of gates they have in Swiss, magnets release the gates on the start...
(please another post to discuss all that!!)

Martin Siegrist · Post by **Martin Siegrist** » Mon May 21, 2007 7:26 pm

so in order to have an advantage people will ride boards with longer wheelbases! or maybe have a board which... no stupid idea i keep it for myself sorry

Jani Soderhall · Post by **Jani Soderhall** » Sat May 19, 2007 11:19 am

I'm quite tempted by this idea. Unless some really good arguments come up against it, I would vote for giving it a try.

/Jani

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Fri May 18, 2007 8:29 pm

yeah Marcus, you've just pointed it out very well. Best we'd try it out and see how it works.

cu in Paris

rmn

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Fri May 18, 2007 7:00 pm

About rockin the board. Yes and no, of course you can roll back and forth some but only the length of your wheelbase without starting the timer. Probably enough for those who need to feel the rythm.

Placement is critical. You would like to have it as far forward as possible, basically the one with the shortest wheelbase will decide the placement. As far as I know the Airflow Jani boards are the ones with the shortest wheelbase and these will still make for 50cm of pull/rocking.

The difference of having the switch at the front hitting it with the front wheels and having it in the middle hitting it with the rear wheels is just a difference of 10-20 cm depending on wheelbase and platform length. My guess is that if you are able to time the beep perfectely you would get 0.03-0.05 seconds early start using this system (based on that the 50 cm wheelbase gives you 0.10-0.20 seconds advantage when lifting the wheels). Actually I could measure this just for fun.

Since we are talking hundreds of seconds or rather 10 cm difference my guess is that your timing of the beep will be more of an issue than the difference where the switch is located. From what I've seen at races most people leave within 0.3-0.5 seconds after the beep, so they would actually make a slightly better start using this.

Also this is probably only useful in the pro category, and since the switch is only duct taped you can move it to the start for the ams. If anyone feel like standing close to the front and roll in very slow, perhaps you should consider moving to the ams.

And Ramón I think you should raise your focus from the front wheels to perhaps the course when the beep goes, or you might as well look at the hooter girls at the sponsor tent

And hey, its just an idea, I'm not part of the organization...

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Fri May 18, 2007 11:45 am

The idea is good but it can be challenging insofar as if you wanna have a small reaction time you don't see where your rear wheels are - you'd have to guess/find out when to go with the beeps...

rmn

Claude Regnier · Post by **Claude Regnier** » Fri May 18, 2007 3:51 am

Way to go. Yes it is a good idea. Although placement would be critical. Perhaps too for a variety of level racers.

Are you able to leave enough room for those that do not take a full pull and also those that rock the start?

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Thu May 17, 2007 10:04 am

We tried to put the tapeswitch about 50cm from the back stopper on the startingramp at our session yesterday and it worked like a charm. Perhaps this is a good idea to prevent lifting.

The trigger was never started accidentily, and no starts were missed du to lack of preassure on the back foot.

As a sidenote the platform is 135cm long from stopper to where the transition starts and that feels like more than enough.

Good idea?

Flavio Badenes · Post by **Flavio Badenes** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:20 pm

Thanks Vincent! I was just making sure but I already had the idea it would be like that.
See you next week.
Man am I looking forward to it!!!

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:13 pm

Flavio Badenes wrote:I have a question.

Will there be a place where we can park our cars? Or will we have to park on the streets around Trocadero? I guess that costs money as well, right?

That's an issue in Paris.
It's forbidden to park on the race site (even where you have seen a kind of car park last years, at the end of the slopes if you ever came).
Only essential vehicles that have a special authorization can be be there for organization needs (we have 4 trucks, 2 emergency ambulance so not much place left).
Even me I won't have a reserved seat for my car!

You can find some spot to park in the area, but it's not so easy and most of them are not free.
Best thing to do is to park your car in your hotel carpark or a quiet area near the place you'll stay and to come with public transportation.

Flavio Badenes · Post by **Flavio Badenes** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:18 pm

I have a question.

Will there be a place where we can park our cars? Or will we have to park on the streets around Trocadero? I guess that costs money as well, right?

Chris Barker · Post by **Chris Barker** » Wed May 16, 2007 8:10 am

What happened to the idea of running a dual hybrid instead of single lane GS?

Guillaume Saint-Criq · Post by **Guillaume Saint-Criq** » Wed May 16, 2007 12:05 am

hey ho
time off

For now, Donald/Pavel is building us two new ramps! We hope they will give you SOME speed into the slalom! Don, Let s talk about that via email.

And nothing more is decided!

Charles_Thubert · Post by **Charles_Thubert** » Tue May 15, 2007 11:14 pm

It is just my opinion, Trocadero is already very fast. With a big ramp, it will be very very fast!
But it is just my opinion and I am not a Big star in slalom!

The Big ramp is too BIG for Trocadero Giant for me!

See you to Paris!

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Tue May 15, 2007 7:07 pm

dear charles:
you didn't skate the ramp when you were here last time,so how come you know?

anyway...
i just wanted to offer help,i did not want to start a controversy here.
lots of racers told me they like the idea for the big ramp to be in paris for the gs.
if you guys think it is not suitable for the event then that is your oppinion and it has to be respected.

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Tue May 15, 2007 2:52 pm

Charles_Thubert wrote:The Big ramp is too BIG for Trocadero Giant.

That's contradictory: The Trocadéro slope is that short that you want to get the speed for GS from the beginning. A smaller ramp gives you less speed one a slope that's already almost too short for GS.

Anyway, we're hoping for Nicolas to grant a road for GS!

rmn

Charles_Thubert · Post by **Charles_Thubert** » Tue May 15, 2007 2:26 pm

The Big ramp is too BIG for Trocadero Giant.

Flavio Badenes · Post by **Flavio Badenes** » Mon May 14, 2007 2:34 pm

Donald Campbell wrote:hey guys
uncle donny needs some answers

#1 i need the t-shirt sizes in quantitites
#2 how far a way is the first cone from the starting ramps?i need to know that really fast.since i'm building the ramps with steve's help this is an interesting aspect to the actual height of the ramps.
#3if you pay for and extra hanger(roughly 100 euros) we'll also bring the big ramp for the gs to paris.
you know that baby from the last gog race.this could be some fun then.
what do you think?
wanna crank the gs up?
we got what you need for that.
everybody will love that.it's good for the spectators,it gives a fast entry into the gs course and it makes the race so much more spectacular.

Please lets have the big ramp!! Even if that means me blowing all the gates on the way down the course! but nothing can beat don's "ejector effect"

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Mon May 14, 2007 9:18 am

hey guys
uncle donny needs some answers

#1 i need the t-shirt sizes in quantitites
#2 how far a way is the first cone from the starting ramps?i need to know that really fast.since i'm building the ramps with steve's help this is an interesting aspect to the actual height of the ramps.
#3if you pay for and extra hanger(roughly 100 euros) we'll also bring the big ramp for the gs to paris.
you know that baby from the last gog race.this could be some fun then.
what do you think?
wanna crank the gs up?
we got what you need for that.
everybody will love that.it's good for the spectators,it gives a fast entry into the gs course and it makes the race so much more spectacular.

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Sat May 12, 2007 4:38 pm

HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric wrote:Hum.... it was not THAT clear !!!

Straight slalom for ams has been painted a few days ago at 2.10m ( green spot fors those who will come earlier... )

Fred.

now you can train !

Yes AM Straight Slalom is finally 2m10 because we had many people worrying it would be too hard.
People who want more challenge should go PRO!

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Fri May 11, 2007 10:12 pm

no no no ramon
bs is big slalom
stop fooling around here
big slalom is done on boards that are approved by santa claus.
85 mm wheels
a short board no longer than 85,345cms
104,798 mm stainless steel trucks

the races are held on slippery surfaces,gymnastic halls are preferred
since you can't really pump on that ground they went for the very big wheels

that fabian guy he beat you recently marcus?
and he's racing am?
ok....
i even know the color of his boxer shorts,but i won't spill all the secrets
my secret agent man from sweden told me

now...where's my ten euros marcus?

gimme

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Fri May 11, 2007 6:25 pm

So BS means Boy Scouts?

rmn

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Fri May 11, 2007 1:11 pm

Peter Klang wrote:How tight is the BS course gonna be this year?

Thats the only discipline you've practiced lately, isn't it?

I think you and Don could have a pretty tight race in the BS course

In fact I put 10€ on Peter winning the BS, and another 10€ on Fabian Björnstjerna taking the overall AM by far. In fact I put another 10€ on that more than 5 AMs will complain about Fabian not running PRO. Any takers?

Thanks for the answers Vinz!

Hans Lucas · Post by **Hans Lucas** » Fri May 11, 2007 11:25 am

Donald Campbell wrote:I'LL HAVE MY REVENGE
the ramps we build for paris will be 30 cms high
there you go
hahahahaha

Why not a "Le Mans" start? Skaters start (2 by 2) with a run up the hill ("to explore the track") then grab their boards and make the run.
Or they run up the hill WITH their boards; in that case a 34" deck is a disadvantage....

"BS"? meaning "Big Slalom" / GS?

(or what about a biathlon / triathlon, like swimming, slalom skating, biking?

)

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Fri May 11, 2007 11:24 am

I've missed a few questions from Marcus

so about prize money: this year we'll reward skaters only with combined overall results, probably the 8th first racers (or 10?).
Minimum total amount is 3000€.

We also have a lot of good stuff for AMs!

I'm still waiting for a real meeting about results and calculation with people involved, but I think it should be based on the three disciplines and for what I know it was like that last year.

Wheels lifting: no clear rule exists, what is sure is that we won't have judges to look only at that. It will also depend what we can use at the start (light beam or switch) but it's part of the game for years, so is it a real problem? (it's not the topic to discuss about that, thanks)

We are near of 50 AMs racers, remember that only a payment will confirm your registration.

Peter Klang · Post by **Peter Klang** » Fri May 11, 2007 11:21 am

How tight is the BS course gonna be this year?

Peace
PK

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Thu May 10, 2007 8:18 pm

I'LL HAVE MY REVENGE
the ramps we build for paris will be 30 cms high
there you go
hahahahaha

HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric · Post by **HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric** » Thu May 10, 2007 8:04 pm

Donald Campbell wrote:makes me wonder why we practice 1,80m on a hill the last weeks.so it's time to switch to a 34"deck again? bummer

it's time to move PRO Don.... he he he...

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Thu May 10, 2007 7:59 pm

makes me wonder why we practice 1,80m on a hill the last weeks.so it's time to switch to a 34"deck again? bummer

HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric · Post by **HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric** » Thu May 10, 2007 5:25 pm

Ramón Königshausen wrote:I hope I don't have to expect the pro's have been fooled too....

rmn

Don't worry Rmn, we're about to paint the straight pro race at 1.80m !

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Thu May 10, 2007 5:13 pm

I hope I don't have to expect the pro's have been fooled too....

rmn

Hans Lucas · Post by **Hans Lucas** » Thu May 10, 2007 4:46 pm

HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric wrote:Hum.... it was not THAT clear !!!

Straight slalom for ams has been painted a few days ago at 2.10m ( green spot fors those who will come earlier... )
Fred.
now you can train !

Great, thanks!
And I suppose the burned cars have been towed away....

HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric · Post by **HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric** » Thu May 10, 2007 4:43 pm

Hum.... it was not THAT clear !!!

Straight slalom for ams has been painted a few days ago at 2.10m ( green spot fors those who will come earlier... )

Fred.

now you can train !

Hans Lucas · Post by **Hans Lucas** » Thu May 10, 2007 3:27 pm

Marcus Seyffarth wrote:
Vincent Berruchon wrote:Tight Slalom = should be called STRAIGHT
PRO:1m80 and AMs: 2m (cry NOW if you really think that many amateurs can't do it)

Special Slalom= We want it to be quite tight at least on a part of the course for pros. Amateur race could be what you call hybrid, but it's an AM special.
I think its pretty clear whats decided on that point.

Oh, OK, thanks; I missed that posting.
As far as I know, Dutch skaters usually do not use the terms Straight Slalom / Special Slalom because their abbreviations are both SS.
TS or HS are pretty clear, too.

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Thu May 10, 2007 3:11 pm

Vincent Berruchon wrote:Tight Slalom = should be called STRAIGHT
PRO:1m80 and AMs: 2m (cry NOW if you really think that many amateurs can't do it)

Special Slalom= We want it to be quite tight at least on a part of the course for pros. Amateur race could be what you call hybrid, but it's an AM special.

I think its pretty clear whats decided on that point.

Hans Lucas · Post by **Hans Lucas** » Thu May 10, 2007 2:35 pm

Ramón Königshausen wrote: Depends on what you mean with TS:

Staight Slalom
or
Special Slalom

rmn

I'm interested in all kinds, but especially in TS (=Tight Slalom) as defined below, because it's easier to compare with existing training locations:

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Thu May 10, 2007 1:27 pm

Hans Lucas wrote:Vince, have you made any decisions about the AM TS track?
1,90m / 2m / 2,10m / 2,20m?
I'm very curious!

Depends on what you mean with TS:

Staight Slalom
or
Special Slalom

rmn

Hans Lucas · Post by **Hans Lucas** » Thu May 10, 2007 12:36 pm

Vince, have you made any decisions about the AM TS track?
1,90m / 2m / 2,10m / 2,20m?
I'm very curious!

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