ISSA - International Slalom Skateboarding Association

The start was the best method ever. A start beep and a second random beep...no false starts! and so easy and simple! i think that's the way to go!

Michael Stride wrote: We would like a ruling from the ISSA that our revised order should be
a) the single fastest time for those ranked 5-11 , ie their qualifying time remains the result.
b) that the ISSA rule that even though the rounds of 8 was omitted, and the round of 4 was a 'sudden death ' format (the four racers were aware of this) due to time and weather constraints, this was the best 'racing' format we could achive on the day. As such that the result should be recorded as above.

Michael Stride

Michael Stride wrote:OK, I change Dom to THIRD but also will ask the ISSA to rule on it.

I see the logic, but it may be unfair to DOM to lose out due to the H2H being cut down.

Cadwell pro final results DUAL

1st Hans Gothburg
2nd Christophe Baumann
3rd=Mikka Hadestrand
3rd=Domonic Kowalski

5th Greg Faddell
6th Paul Price
7th Martin Drayton
8th Tomas Potucek
9th Josef Stefka
10th Peter Klein
11th Chris Linford

To the ISSA, as organiser of the Cadwekll race I hope you can decide on a racing results matter.

We were able to complete the qualifying for the pros, and their times are below:
Hans G 10.81 10.59
Dom K 11.14 10.56
Mikka H 10.97 10.86
Christo B 10.80 11.16
Greg F 11.35 11.15
Paul P 11.51 11.42
Tomas P 11.65 11.75
Martin D 12.10 11.62
Josef S 12.16 12.26
Peter K 12.40 12.78
Chris L 13.70 DQ

here is what I shall submit to the ISSA.

We initially added the times to give qualifying times but this was incorrect under ISSA rules, and was not picked up on the race day. This did not change the top four racers, except for switching DOM and HANS from 2nd to 1st on qualifying order.

We then took the TOP four and had one shot head to head, where Hans G won, Baumann 2nd.

We would like a ruling from the ISSA that our revised order should be
a) the single fastest time for those ranked 5-11 , ie their qualifying time remains the result.
b) that the ISSA rule that even though the rounds of 8 was omitted, and the round of 4 was a 'sudden death ' format (the four racers were aware of this) due to time and weather constraints, this was the best 'racing' format we could achive on the day. As such that the result should be recorded as above.

Michael Stride

Hans Koraeus wrote:So what I understand in the top 4 H2H finals Göthberg and Baumann won one race each and came to the final. And then there was only time to do the final between Göthberg and Baumann.

I see above that place 3 and 4 has not been separated. If they never did race each other H2H for 3:rd place it should be the Qualifying time that counts. Which means Kowalski 3:rd and Hadestrand 4:th.

So if only qual counts and we "skip" the funny H2H format we get

1 Göthberg
2 Kowalski
3 Hadestrand
4 Baumann

If we count the funny H2H format we have

1 Göthberg
2 Baumann
3 Kowalski
4 Hadestrand

Bauman was the only one gaining from the H2H by moving from 4:th to 2:nd place.

Michael,

I was very dissapointed after what seemed to be attempts by you to 'make peace' at Cadwell, wearing a "Showdown" T-shirt and, as someone I have known for 30 years finally offering me condolences a month after my Mother died, that I now find that you are attempting to discredit me with yet another sponsor and making snide remarks about using the South Bank ticket that was put aside for me.


Please do not even bother yourself with replying to this as any e-mails I receive from you from now on will be deleted unread.

Well frankly I am beyond getting angry with you and now feel nothing but pity. I have much more important things to occupy my time with a loving wife and beautiful daughter who have already had their lives disrupted enough through the actions of a sad, lonely, bitter individual such as yourself.

Did you notice not much actual feedback on your race, just pictures and comments unrelated to your "organisational skills"? This is because no-one wants to get into an internet flame war with you as you have done with countless people on several sites now including someone who has made excuses to people for your rudeness on countless occasions over 30 years.

In your desire to be the center of attention you didn't delegate til it was too late after you actually realised that you couldn't do it all yourself. I forgot how much you like 'center stage' until someone reminded me of the 'board-breaking' dramas you used to pull at South Bank!
Well here is the general concensus that has been discussed among several attendees, and no, no-one will admit it to your face:

If the dual had been held first, it would have been completed and everyone could have had at least one run of GS.
Failing that the Dual could just have been one or two runs for EVERYONE, thus getting a result and not depriving the Ams a skate, something you were probably aware was going to happen all along - shameful, as apparently some people even told you this beforehand.
The transition on your "beginners ramps" was more abrupt than a normal "S" ramp, which is why none of the beginners rode it! Even Donald thought the down ramp was crap so didn't back you publicly when you posted pictures of it. Deep down you knew it too otherwise why post defensively when you put the pics up? The only online praise was from two people who have never ridden a start ramp!

A few people were dissapointed that we didn't actually have the ramps in the right places to get the most out of the hill, nor were the courses long enough. No-one runs TS comps with 10-12 sec courses.

How can you run a race and at the end of it not even know the order of the last 4? You looked like a laughing stock on ISSA! The Euros can't believe it.
No coneheads at a Main status race, have you ever been to one where that happened?

The message on my ansaphone (which I still have in case you want to deny what you said) -trying to pass blame for the adding of the times by saying Sam and Rob didn't do any training, blaming Dan for faulty spreadsheets and a dodgy program, saying that Mick didn't spot anything and Paul shrugged his shoulders - How cowardly! It was your race, you should have the good grace to take responsibility for errors as well as successes (though admittedly they were harder to spot).
Considering the above you were very lucky no-one behaved as badly and complained as much as you usually do at races, they certainly had plenty of justification.

Over the last few months I have seen all the snide (as your name is known in some circles) remarks you have made at mine (and Paul's expense) on several occasions on several sites. These have gone unanswered by myself, and they are to stop. If you don't have the guts to say them to my face, simply do not say them. Look me in the eye when we next meet and be a man and say them to me instead of hiding behind the internet and face whatever the consequences may be....if you have the guts.


I am tired of your cowardly ways, you are disingenuous in the extreme, smiling at me and being pleasant at the race, then making comments behind my back as soon as you are back behind a keyboard.
Pissed off that people bought stuff off Dan? Well, hopefully it'll make you think about how you have treated your customers for years!


This e-mail is titled "Finally..." because I have no intention of corresponding with you in the future.

Martin.

Facts:
1) The qualifying round was completed.
2) The bracketing for the H2H round was in error (using sum of qual times instead of best time).
3) The race format was improvised to be a single-run H2H rather than two runs.
4) The H2H "improvised" rounds were not completed. The consolation round was never run.

Unclear:
A) Who actually raced who, and what were the results among the final 4 racers?

Opinion:
1) The race was effectively abandoned after the completed qualification round.
2) Therefore, from rule 8.2, the only completed round is the 2 runs of qualifying, so only the single-best qualifying run is used to sort the racers from 1st to last.


I think this makes the best result because it follows the ISSA rules and the H2H had so many problems that make it difficult to reconstruct valid results.

If you agree, please send the results to Corky for inclusion in the ranking.

robert gaisek wrote:I am....I´m going to a slalom-session right now.

Jani Soderhall wrote:What we're seeing here, is a very unfortunate situation where things are supposed to be settled after the facts. That is completely inappropriate. Any decision, even a bad one, taken during the race, would have been way better than what is happening now

Jani wrote:Any decision, even a bad one, taken during the race, would have been way better than what is happening now.