Finalisation Reglement Descente - Slalom et Longsk8/luge...

[Vincent Berruchon]

Fait-le-zen told me today that this phrase meant what Corky says, but if you being French don't interpret it like that the phrase needs revision.

What completely discouraged me was that once the rules have been set in stone they can't be changed for 4 years. If that's the way the French association runs, I think I'll opt out. Rules sure, we need them to harmonize certain things, but we also need to adapt to new situations.

One of the problems with the current rules is that it only allows for two disciplines: special and giant. What about other ways to do slalom? Can that not be done? Or, is it only that they are not official? So Paris World Cup 2005 will be the first event to break the rules?

/Jani

As you know, french associations have to give to french administrations a lot of guarantees and informations to organize any events, even a little one.

The aim here is to build a set of rules that we won't have to break and that will be OK if possible with any international rules
For sure the time was too short but we can still make some modifications (and it will be possible to change it before 4 years if needed)

That's great that you could finally make your suggestions

[Jani Soderhall]

Fait-le-zen told me today that this phrase meant what Corky says, but if you being French don't interpret it like that the phrase needs revision.

What completely discouraged me was that once the rules have been set in stone they can't be changed for 4 years. If that's the way the French association runs, I think I'll opt out. Rules sure, we need them to harmonize certain things, but we also need to adapt to new situations.

One of the problems with the current rules is that it only allows for two disciplines: special and giant. What about other ways to do slalom? Can that not be done? Or, is it only that they are not official? So Paris World Cup 2005 will be the first event to break the rules?

/Jani

[Vincent Berruchon]

Chapitre III - CLASSIFICATION DES MANIFESTATIONS

ARTICLE 1 - COMPETITIONS INTERNATIONALES OFFICIELLES

Ces compétitions se déroulent sous une autorité international.
Ces compétitions entraînent l’attribution d’un titre international.

For me this quote means quite nothing, it's just a general definition about foreign and French events (because French team should participate to international events)
and as for the moment all French international events were also national events (with separed ranking for French) where everybody race exactly the same way
we've got to write rules that are coherent with what could be international rules!

[Hans Koraeus]

Chapitre III - CLASSIFICATION DES MANIFESTATIONS

ARTICLE 1 - COMPETITIONS INTERNATIONALES OFFICIELLES

Ces compétitions se déroulent sous une autorité international.
Ces compétitions entraînent l’attribution d’un titre international.

This will save all of us non-French coming to international competitions in France. It's the French slalom skaters themselves who should be scared. It's more a problem for the French national slalom scene.

The problem with the current old ISSA rules is that they have to be reviewed and rewritten for the current slalom scene. This is something we will all work on in the near future. Just taking them as they are is not a good idea even though they could clarify a lot of things in that French proposal. At least they are from 1995 not from 1894.

[Vincent Berruchon]

Thanks Corky for the reading,

for sure there are strange things in this document
and it's why we got to change it quickly!!!
but there are really few time left (the dead line is 08/12/2004 at midnight)

I didn't find something as clear as you about french internationnal competions that should be all be part of the french championship, so supposed to follow theses rules too.

The best way would be that the french rules don't conflict with ISSA rules.
It was a big job to compile rules for many disciplines but main people who did it aren't in slalom (but more in street luge and buttboard downhill) so they don't ever make the best choice.

I will try to give new suggestions for most of what I detect as bad rules but I really don't know well ISSA rules so if you could give me a few hints, it could really help (first with what is missing in it, but also with what is wrong)

[Hans Koraeus]

I had a look at the document with Jani yesterday. We had some big laughs. But on the same time it does scare you to death. I think the rules are written more in the sense of skateboard slalom from the view of downhill and longboard skating. I.e. "Skate slalom, ah, that must be like snowboard slalom, don't you think?".

In the end though I noticed the point that got me to sleep well. These rules are only applicable for French skate slalom competitions. Any French International competitions are proposed to follow the rules of the international body.

This rules document was really detailed and hard to swallow even for me as a adminstrative person and who is interested in the subject. For most of skaters they would have gone nuts after 2-3 pages.

But maybe this is the way you have to do it on a high adminstrative level. Some things are good and interesting though. But who will have the force to take on this document and make the records straight where it is needed? Or maybe this is not the skateslalom we do? Maybe they want to invent another slalom skateboard world?

[Vincent Berruchon]

Slalomeur français sachez que le salom se structure avec la création du COmité National Descente au sein de la FFRS.
Le futur réglement concernant aussi bien la descente longskate que le slalom est en cour de finalisation
Allez voir soit sur Riderz.net pour plus d'informtation et d'éventuels commentaires:
http://www.riderz.net/modules.php?name= ... =reglement

ou directement sur le site de la CND
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Les nouvelles du 02 décembre 2004

Bonjour,

Le REGLEMENT DESCENTE version 01 proposer par Grégory et Gauthier, vient d’être mis en ligne :
http://cnd.longsk8.net/modules.php?name ... oad&cid=45

Vous avez jusqu'au 08/12/2004 pour proposer des modifications !

Effectivement, le jeudi 9 décembre j'ai une réunion téléphonique du CNS, qui doit enregistré notre document avant d'être transmis au Conseil d'Administration de la FFRS, puis par la suite au DTN (Directeur Technique National) qui fera une "Note Technique" pour les préfectures.

MERCI POUR VOS COMMENTAIRES

Partie Sportif :
http://cnd.longsk8.net/modules.php?name ... topic&t=89

Partie Administratif :
http://cnd.longsk8.net/modules.php?name ... topic&t=88

Sportivement
Alain

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