2008 ISSA World Record Weekend -- discussion

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:17 pm

Thank you Pat (again) for the initiative and specially for the very nice official diplomas that arrived the other day!

Sj Kalliokoski · Post by **Sj Kalliokoski** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:45 pm

I think world record should be bases on riders input, not steepness of surface on track.
It would be silly to start to run 110 hurdless on down hill slopes just to make new world records.
Basic idea of world record should be that times should be comparable, and that will not happen if track is built down hill. On flat and specified start ramp height it will be.
Otherwise we will end to have world records in Swedish track, German track etc
Even now we are measuring time more accurately than we can build track so end result is not very reliable.

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:31 pm

I think the problem is what to reach with the world record ?

There was a ful concept with goals what the world record should give to slalom. And there was another concept which was made by discussing trough the rules. 13 people voted on this thing. I think the result was 12:1.

Perhaps a lot of the voters are not organising races and think for the best for them selfs, what is normal. But when you have the chance than try to wear other sunglasses. A World Record is a chance to show slalom to a big audience. The audience don't care if it is flat or not, they don't care if you start from the ramp or not. They want to be a part of this whole spectacel and push the racer's to their limits.

The question will be do we want to give organizers a chance to promote slalom trough this World Record thing or do we want to keep the Record for our small scene ?

/J-Rad

Sj Kalliokoski · Post by **Sj Kalliokoski** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:56 pm

50 cones toughts
For outsiders running 50 cones in downhill slope for world record is as mysterious as running 110 hurdless downhill.
Setup it self could be reflecting quite much to 110 hurdeless.
To get full respect for world record times, they should be run as similar environments as possible.

Surface should be full flat, or should be run on two directions. Wind should be less than 2? meters/sec.

Track
There are two options to choose one for world record rules
- total length defined and cones spread there with equal distance
- 50 cones with any distance
Fixed length gives less possibility for differences relatd track but it will be harder to build due total length should be measured accurately.
50 cones is easier to setup and gives more freedom but gives also some possibility to gain with track setup. Track setup is inline with 100 cones anyway.

Starting
Ramp as per ISSA rules 2m max, no other options

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:47 pm

If it's flat I'm out. Keep your records for yourself. I tried to explain that the ramp height and push distance are as important as an inclined venue. If I ever gonna attend a World Record attempt in flat I request a 6m starting ramp or car tow as starting method.

rmn

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:35 pm

I don't know who has been talking about restricting ramp height or push distance. As far as I remember the rules states that you can have any ramp or any push distance and the only thing is that it must be self propelled. Perhaps I'm wrong about this.

Its not gonna help to allow any steepness of the hill, its still as much about the venue and the start. You will never be able to break a record from a 'normal-sized' startingramp since you have to go at least 5 cones per second from the very first cone.

Personally I think it would be good to make it mandatory to run the race both ways in order to make it valid in the 50 and 25 cone races. The downside is that it will make it even harder to understand for spectators since if you make a good run one way, then you have
to stop, switch start/stop switches and then make another run back again to get the average. The other way to make it valid is to enforce better documentation that the venue really is flat. Next time we do this I'll bring a laser level, put it on the first cone and put a measuring tape on the last to show that it is flat.

I spoke to some non skaters about the records some time ago and they fully understood the concept of the flat stuff but couldn't understand the 100 cone thing where you can choose any hill.

Perhaps my friends are stupid, but more likely they are the average spectator and could not care less for the cones per second but understand "it should be flat, no hitting cones and fastest run over 50 cones at a given distance wins".

Personally I don't really care which way it is, its just to adapt, make the best out of it and try to break it within the given rules. I am glad that there are some rules so that there actually exist some records to break - even though flat racing really suck.

Pat Chewning · Post by **Pat Chewning** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:11 am

The current rules call for flat courses on 25 and 50 cone courses.
(Current rules were proposed MARCH 1st and finalized JUNE 6th -- that was when the ISSA members discussed and voted on the rules.)

This particular race was not flat, so no current record can be accepted.

There are some arguments for changing future rules, and I guess we will address that in the future sometime...

We can never have the EXACT same course everywhere. Neither can the swimmers (some pools are faster than others), or the track runners, or the pole vaulters .......... etc. We can specify some of the most important parameters, such as flat, wind, distance, # of cones, etc. In fact, some of the challenge in setting up a World Record attempt is selection of a surface and a timeframe that is most suitable for setting records. You wouldn't expect to set a very good record in the rain, for example, or on a flat surface with large expansion-joint cracks, or on a polished concrete surface.

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:56 pm

Johan Thiel wrote:I guess that one of the reasons for creating a World record format with rules is that it will be the same circumstances for all racers that make an attempt to break the record.

How can we have the same circumstances everywhere? Anyone got a measurement for asphalt quality? Wind? Centripetal force?

I think the only way to create even circumstances for all racers is to simplify the rules. If you state it has to be flat, no wind etc. you'd first have to find a suitable venue for your record.

If someone jumps over a canyon with a motorcycle and the canyon is 500m deep, can't I break it if I jump further but the canyon is only 300m deep?

It's the time and number of cones that matter. Not the venue. We want facts, not a list of rules and restrictions enabling possible records on any kind of tarmarc

Johan Thiel · Post by **Johan Thiel** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:26 pm

I guess that one of the reasons for creating a World record format with rules is that it will be the same circumstances for all racers that make an attempt to break the record.

The cyber and the 50-cones are the most clear ones and are quite easy to follow.
Same distance, no elevation. In Cyber you need to practice the start technique to gain speed.
In 50 cones you need to push or find a spot where you gain speed before passing the start line.
A record set for 50 cones … will be one you can compare with others.

From the ISSA rules
5.2. 50-CONE COURSE (METRIC UNITS) -- SEE DIAGRAM
Start line at center of 1st cone
Cones spaced at 1.6m in a straight line.
Timing starts when racer 1st crosses start line
Finish line at center of 50th cone
Timing finishes when racer 1st crosses finish line
International Slalom Skateboarding Association (Revised 2008)
0 cone displacements allowed
run on flat with no wind.
Start from ramp or push-start.

5.4. DEFINITIONS
Flat : Having a slope of less than 1% elevation differential from start to finish
o For the 25-cone course, this is 20” (0.5m) over the 174 ft (53m) course.
o For the 50-cone course, this is 0.75m (30”) over the 78.4m (257 ft) course.

The 100-cones is more up the racers to set what ever they want in what ever steep hill and with cones tight as you want … or even different length depending on what you can handle with the speed.

If I would choose my self , I do think the 100 cones is the most fun to race.
But as a world record format I also think the 50 cone race is great because you know that you can compare.
If the flat concept is not wanted the rules should be the same for 50 cones as for 100 cones.
And then it is just speed.

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:40 pm

Well, I'd say that it doesn't have to be on the flat rather than restrict the ramp or push distance. The cone distance may be of any length. Makes it a lot easier.

"Fastest Skateboarder over 50 cones."

That's what it is. Everything else concerning the course specs you'd have to explain to a layman should be abandoned.

rmn

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:20 am

Ramón Königshausen wrote:I think the rules should be changed - I will propose it.

Great. So what should be changed?

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:07 am

So obviously Pat hasn't yet posted what I e-mailed him last week. So this is it:

> On 08.10.2008, at 03:38, "Chewning, Patrick W (DPT Vancouver WA USA)" <patrick> wrote:
>
>> JRAD submitted your time for a world record.
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>> Do you agree that the course was flat? In other words, would you have been willing to run it in the opposite direction?
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>> There are some people who believe the course was not flat. I want your opinion.

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> From: Ramón Königshausen <koenigshausen>
> Date: 8. Oktober 2008 19:07:27 GMT+02:00
> To: "Chewning, Patrick W (DPT Vancouver WA USA)" <patrick>
> Cc: "ramon@airflow-skateboards.com" <ramon>
> Subject: Re: Over 80 cones -- 50-cone World Record
>
> Well Pat,
>
> Quite honest, it was not entirely flat. But as I heard Marcus' record wasn't set in the flat and run both ways either. - that's what I heard, so don't take it for granted...
>
> Anyway, I quickly skimmed the WR thread. I think the rules should be changed - I will propose it. Not because I would then have set a record adhering the rules; it won't be changing the past, but because I think it's of no use and wouldn't make any difference if we stick to flats. The point is: if you want run it flat and fast what do you do? Bulid a starting ramp 15ft high? That can't be it. Well some might say "let's restrict the ramp height" - This is not a solution, makes it complocated and we want to have the rules as simple as possible.
>
> To answer your question: yes, I would have run the course in the other direction if we had had a starting ramp 15ft high.
>
>
> /Ramón
>
>

rmn

Sj Kalliokoski · Post by **Sj Kalliokoski** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:18 pm

Qucik note from dark North

One fator to add small inaccuracy is also defined distance between cones. I mean just having 1cm per cone, that would mean ~50cm in total and having only 1cm per cone is quite tough target. So it easily mans like 0.1 sec converted to time. So why specify cone distance? And has someone tape measured how accurate total track length is ?
Another topic then is that is it required have so many different WR's, i mean 25, 1-2*50 and 2*50 cones? For slalomers it might make sense but for big public it can be confusing. This starts look like swimming

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:59 am

so it would be
1: 50 cones @ 1.60 clean on flat
2: 50 cones @ 1.60 clean with pitch? Or should it be 50 cones "anyway you like it" just like it is with the 100?

Richy Carrasco · Post by **Richy Carrasco** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:37 pm

Yo , Pat hows about two catagories for 50 coner, Same measurement for acurate calculating, 1 Downhill pitch , 2 Flat....... Maybe just for this event only! .....

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:03 pm

Well if there are rules you have got to adhere to them or change them, you just can't start using your own rules while others stick to the existing. Period.

If you think that Worldchampionships, Latvia or Grenoble was not run in an appropriate manner, then start complaining about it in their respective threads it won't help to argue about them in the "world record event" thread. Personally I only attended the worlds and I was among those who had 2 runs and felt bad about it. For what I know there are no rule at the moment that states when the course should be set or if you can practice, its just that you don't do it.

I can only speak for the 50 cones set in Stockholm, and it was run on flat, it is a slight hill coming in from both directions and its flat in the middle. Next time we will run it both ways and we will be faster. Its a promise.

The 50 cone record will never be broken on the flat using a normal start ramp, you need to kick in or use a large (3m) ramp.

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:43 pm

There is another rule which says the you have to meassure the wind. Does someone did this ?

As i wrote it before those rules were made, what the goal is of this rules. no one wanted to answer it. The World Record was for the Over80Cones the biggest attraction what the numbers of spectators showed. A World Record is somthing you can get alot of spectators and it is a thing which people let remember to the competition when they hear next time that there is a slalom skateboard competition. My goal for this competition was fullfilled and i would announce it in the same way the next year, even if i have to write the rules for others if they want to try it.

For me the 50 Cones WR shows the fastest men arround 50 Cones at the distanz of 1.60. We meassure it from the first to the last Cone. As there is no distanz where you have to start, i don't see a reason why there is a districiton on flat or a bit slope. I think the rules should be done in the way we can use it. And for our 21 juniors it was somthing they can dream about it now, until they are in the age they can do it as well.

Why not just let the distanz between the Cones 1.60 to regulate the steepnes instead of running it in both way's. The thing is that he run the 50 Cones in 9.89 seconds. Should we ask the 100 meter sprinter Bolt to run the 100 meters in both ways ? A record is a record, when it is not the ISSA record i will promot it as the Record of 50 Cones at 1.60 until someone run it faster.

At the same time i would ask what happened in Gothenburg, where some people practiced the courses for a long time and others for some day's and some had just two runs. Or in Latvia or Grenoble where the TIE BREAKER EVENT wasn't announced.

The question is should the WR count or not is for me a similiar question as should the WorldChampionchips results count or not.

I think the rules should be setted in the way we can play it. And the most important thing the rules should not be to complex as they are at the World Record, just see that there are differenzes between 100 und 50 Cones.

To answer the questions:
It was not flat as it wasn't in sweden when i look at the video. If you cancel the record than i think the results from gothenburg should be canceled as well. And the Overall Results from Latvia and the Overall Results from Grenoble. And in the end the results from the 50 Cones World Records because no one documented the wind meassuring.

The question is now: what is easier ?
... to cancel the results or to change some rules ?

/J-Rad

Pat Chewning · Post by **Pat Chewning** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:39 pm

Marcus Seyffarth wrote:Perhaps we should clarify that the 80 cones was not run on the flat before updating the PDF.

Personally I don't understand why the times was posted in the first place since both J-rad and Ramón knows that the 50 cones rules states that it should be run on flat and otherways run both ways.

Perhaps the rules of the 25 and 50 cone records should be changed so that it is mandatory to run it both ways.

JRAD and RAMON: Was the course flat? (i.e. Racers would be willing to run in either direction)

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:32 am

Perhaps we should clarify that the 80 cones was not run on the flat before updating the PDF.

Personally I don't understand why the times was posted in the first place since both J-rad and Ramón knows that the 50 cones rules states that it should be run on flat and otherways run both ways.

Perhaps the rules of the 25 and 50 cone records should be changed so that it is mandatory to run it both ways.

Pat Chewning · Post by **Pat Chewning** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:27 am

I have updated the World Record spreadsheets to account for the new record from "80-cones" and to account for my blunders in tabulating all of the results as they poured in from around the world.

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/ISSA/ ... ecords.pdf

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/ISSA/ ... istory.pdf

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:13 pm

Thanks Marcus! Well...I ran 9.71 but with one cone down...Janis ran 9.50 with 4 cones down....

rmn

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:59 pm

Congratulations Ramón! I really thougth it would be faster than that.

Since this is the "World weekend race" thread and "Over80cones" is another race I don't think this post below here. I created 3 threads, one separate for each category under the "2008 World records" topic. Perhaps we could start using them for submission of new records like this. Is it possible to move threads or posts?

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:07 am

Zurich, Rennweg Sunday 28. September 2008.

Ramon Königshausen set the new 50 Cones World Record in front of hundreds of spectators. His time was 9.89 sec.

/J-Rad

Judi Oyama · Post by **Judi Oyama** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:50 pm

Gary Holl
Run 1 8.75
Run 2 8.66
Average 8.71

This could be the fastest Master's Cyber 25 cone time. Sorry John Ravitch. Gary reminded me this morning that he was in the masters division now.

thanks.

Judi O

Fabian Bjornstjerna · Post by **Fabian Bjornstjerna** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:31 pm

You mean you gonna get older faster than me

/ Fabian

Martin Drayton · Post by **Martin Drayton** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:16 pm

Congrats to everyone no matter when or where you broke records, it was a cool thing to happen globally. Not sure, but didn't the following go faster than Jamie Hart in the Master's cyber?

Jamie Hart 25-Cone NCDSA Cyberslalom Men Masters 12.27

John Ravitch Masters Men
Average 9.1

Mark “Weatherwitch” Roberts Masters men
Average 12.08 sec

Martin.

ps. Fabian, I'll get you next Spring
pps.And you Ravitch!

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:00 am

Thank you Pat! Great with the history PDF!

Pat Chewning · Post by **Pat Chewning** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:04 am

Between the World Record Weekend and the Antrim race, every single ISSA record from the past was beaten in September 2008.

Congratulations to all of the racers.

I encourage everyone to double-check my entries into the following charts and notify me BY EMAIL if there are any errors, omissions, or corrections.

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/ISSA/ ... ecords.pdf

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/ISSA/ ... istory.pdf

Marcus Seyffarth 100-Cone w/cone penalty Men Open 19.22
Lynn Kramer 100-Cone w/cone penalty Women Open 22.43
Juris Grundulis 100-Cone w/cone penalty Men Jr 27.49
100-Cone w/cone penalty Women Jr
Fabian Bjornstjerna 100-Cone w/cone penalty Men Masters 20.39
Cat Young 100-Cone w/cone penalty Women Masters 28.34

Richy Carrasco 100-Cone clean Men Open 21.179
Lynn Kramer 100-Cone clean Women Open 22.43
100-Cone clean Men Jr
100-Cone clean Women Jr
Richy Carrasco 100-Cone clean Men Masters 21.179
Judi Oyama 100-Cone clean Women Masters 28.95

Marcus Seyffarth 50-Cone Men Open 9.93
Lynn Kramer 50-Cone Women Open 13.04
Jack Corpes 50-Cone Men Jr 12.45
50-Cone Women Jr
Fabian Bjornstjerna 50-Cone Men Masters 10.06
Judi Oyama 50-Cone Women Masters 13.81

Michael Dong 25-Cone NCDSA Cyberslalom Men Open 7.969
Lienite Skaraine 25-Cone NCDSA Cyberslalom Women Open 11.09
Jack Corpes 25-Cone NCDSA Cyberslalom Men Jr 9.437
25-Cone NCDSA Cyberslalom Women Jr
Jamie Hart 25-Cone NCDSA Cyberslalom Men Masters 12.27
Judi Oyama 25-Cone NCDSA Cyberslalom Women Masters 10.41

I will be printing up certificates of award for all record setters -- suitable for framing. I'll get them to you at the Dixie Cup, or by mail. I will need mail addresses for all of the racers who will not be at the Dixie Cup.

I congratulate all of the racers and hope everyone had a great time.

Once these are ratified by the ISSA board of directors as official, I will submit to Guiness Book of World Records.

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:00 am

The number of competitors during our 10 races in the last 8 years show how true it is what you wrote claude.

The rules of the Over80Cones is, that every Round racers get out. 3 Round the best 16. You was 19 in the 2 Round. You can see it in the Results from 2007 and the same can be seen in the Results from 2006. That's how this competition is run. And it was announced in this way.

There will be arround 60 participants this year and they like to skate there with this rules, otherwise they wouldn't come.

/J-Rad

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:33 pm

However then, we will set a new 50-cone reccord which is NOT on the flat because....

rmn

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:54 pm

Lynn Kramer wrote:Whether Richy broke the World Record on World Record Weekend or he broke it in Antrim, he still broke it

Nice! What time did he get?

Lynn Kramer wrote: and it should still be submitted to Guinness as a record that was broken during an event.

Absolutely!

Claude Regnier · Post by **Claude Regnier** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:11 pm

J-Rad if you don't want rules then go do something else. I attended two fo your events. Flew all the way there for a flat race that never evn happened, even after it stopped raining.

The other fell a little short of what was promised (even if we the website was unreadable in english at the time) the 3rd course was never reset with the addition of cones).

I know that was not your duty but as the organizer you should have seen to it that it was done. Clean up your own stuff a bit will you.

We like to know what to expect and that is the primary reason several other people & I did what we did.

Showing up at a contest run by a non skater and having that person dictate a lowsy event just sucks plain and simple.

Different rules for different things also aplies and has it's usefulness.

Marcus sorry I didn't read the whole thing. Another race another pain somewhere. what can I say> Am I getting old or something?

Lynn Kramer · Post by **Lynn Kramer** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:58 pm

Marcus, I agree with you that the World Record Weekend and the Antrim race are two different events.
Whether Richy broke the World Record on World Record Weekend or he broke it in Antrim, he still broke it, and it should still be submitted to Guinness as a record that was broken during an event.
Marcus, don't worry about the World Record Weekend. You are the winner. Good Job.

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:32 pm

Most people don't read the rules. They only find out about them when something happens and a rule is brought up.

That's the difficultness by setting up the rules. The rules should be made in a way we used it before we had it.

That's way most rules like the publication of the tie breaker event or the differenz between 100 Cones WR and 50 Cones WR makes no sense !

/J-Rad

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:28 pm

Claude Regnier wrote:Marcus don't forget that the Antrim 100 world record event was announced months before the World record weekend.

Well then its even more clear that it is 2 standalone event and that the results should not be put together. That's the only thing I'm trying to say.

Claude Regnier wrote:Guess you'll want to come to Antrim next year, EH!

I would like to go to every race, all the time. If I could just clone myself, then things would be much easier.

But first - 8 months of winter.

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:27 pm

Here one question instead of many:

Does the ISSA plans to have goals and a strategy how to go forward ?

/J-Rad

Claude Regnier · Post by **Claude Regnier** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:17 pm

Marcus don't forget that the Antrim 100 world record event was announced months before the World record weekend.

The guy that rewrote the world records at Antrim was also the 1st guy that mentioned holding a world record weekend event but that did come later.

Guess you'll want to come to Antrim next year, EH!

J-rad, why so many types of questions? Can't you just have one question?

Most people don't read the rules. They only find out about them when something happens and a rule is brought up.

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:43 pm

Pat,

I still think that the whole thing with the records is not thinked to the end.

Why is there a differenz between the 50 Cone Record (must be on flat) and the 100 Cone Record can be set the way you like ?

Why is it possible to hit Cones in the 100 Cone Record and just clean run's in the 50 Cone Record ?

Why do we make it not easy for spectators, racers and organisators ?

Why can't we just say he or she is the fastest men/woman arround 50/100 Cones ?

There are many elements in slalom which not works connected to each other. If we have this kind of World Records just in our Forums i see no problems. But going to the public with so many rules and records and without a strong body (ISSA) behind it, is in my view just false.

Before we go to the public, we have the chance to change many things for the sport. The priority should be to get the organisation ISSA running in a good way and to have goals what we want to reach in the next 5 year's. First thinking and than doing, not first doing and than thinking.

The motivation by a lot of organizers and lot of racers is not so big anymore. The time is now to get the corner, otherwise slalom is going there from where it came.

/J-Rad

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:08 pm

Lynn Kramer wrote:
You shoulda been there. They had a parade and fireworks.

wow that's so cool!
great racing by the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:03 am

Marcus Seyffarth wrote:Don't get me wrong here, I think that any records set in Antrim (or any other race) should be recognized as records, its just that they should not be included in the "world record weekend" results, but rather be improvements of the records set during the "weekend".

Sure I would have loved to be there! I tried to be clear above but I'll write it again.

What I was trying to say is that Antrim was a main race and is not part of the "world record weekend" which is another race (a prime) so why would you wait for the results from Antrim to be included into the "world record weekend" race? Its not like you wait for the world championships results before you announce the results from the nationals, or is this a new rule of the ISSA?

Lynn - did you break your record from the "world record weekend race" during the Antrim race? If so, great I think you should expect 2 world record certificates!

Lynn Kramer · Post by **Lynn Kramer** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:05 am

Antrim was a Main race.
"6.1. WORLD RECORDS – AT SANCTIONED EVENTS
World record attempts may be made at any contest with PRIME or greater sanctioning, or
at contests of BASIC sanctioning if the sanction application specifically states that world
records will be attempted."
You shoulda been there. They had a parade and fireworks.

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:16 am

Pat, I think its great that you got this idea and made it happen. Really!

However I think its getting a little bit weird when its turning from a world record weekend to a world record month. I understand if people would like to give it a go and there are no possibilities to do it earlier because of the weather, everybody should get a chance.

But when you start to include races like Antrim which was planned long time ago to happen two weeks after the real record weekend then its not ok. Also I think its not ok that any racer can participate in more than one try.

Don't get me wrong here, I think that any records set in Antrim (or any other race) should be recognized as records, its just that they should not be included in the "world record weekend" results, but rather be improvements of the records set during the "weekend".

Glenn Corpes · Post by **Glenn Corpes** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:15 pm

Delayed Hyde Park relocated to Hove results:

50 Cones:
Ian Cranfield (men) 12.3
Glenn Corpes (men) 14.51(5)
Jack Corpes (junior) 12.45
Mark Roberts (men) 15.63(1)

Cyber Dir1/Dir2
Mikey Corpes (junior) 17.22/14.77
Jack Corpes (junior) 10.59/9.455
Curt Halliday (men) 11.03/10.52
Paul Nolan (men) 11.5/11.03

Jack photo and video, not his fastest time though:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZtULvoEDp0

Pat Chewning · Post by **Pat Chewning** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:31 am

As soon as I get the Antrim official results and the results from Hyde Park (rain-delayed 2 weeks) then I will compile the results, write an article for the front web page, and send the framed certificates to the record-setters, and send the results to Guiness.

Martin Drayton · Post by **Martin Drayton** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:47 pm

There are some record-worthy times posted today at the postponed Hyde Park session, which moved to Brighton, and I'll send them in tomorrow when I have all the details...

Martin.

Johan Thiel · Post by **Johan Thiel** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:51 pm

And thank you Pat for taking the initiative to this event. Never ever before where there that many skaters trying to set records all over the world. Cool. We had a lot of fun and doing the 100 cone was just incredible, the last 20 cones fees like a colored line rather than separate cones . Well any way I curious to see whether my team mate made it or not. Will there be any official world record announcements or list that will be publishes?
Congrats to all for efforts made to beat the records.

Maria Carrasco · Post by **Maria Carrasco** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:05 pm

Just checking in from Boston. Richy and I are in a hotel right by the legendary Fenway Park! What a great town! Next stop -- Antrim NH for the big race. Been on the road non-stop since the WR setting event but below is a copy of a previous post we did right after the weekend. Typical for So Cal in Sept. -- it was HOT -- probably near 100 F -- making an even greater challenge to race such long courses.

ISSA World Record Weekend Results from So Cal On 9/8/2008 Maria Carrasco wrote in from United States (207.200.nnn.nnn)

So Cal -- ISSA World Record Attempt Weekend
Sept. 6-7, 2008

Results:
Lynn Kramer -- Womans Division
50 cone: 13.04
100 cone: 22.43
Not only was this Lynn's fastest time, but it was also a clean run!!

Way to go Lynn -- AXE Army Salutes You!

(Photo courtesty: Silverfishlongboarding.com)

Richy Carrasco hit 20.77 on the 100-cone course - his fastest adjusted time for consideration for the 45 and over Masters division. His best clean run time on this course was 22.01.

Brother Rene' gave it a good go and vows to be back next time.

Big Thanks to Malakai Kingston from Silverfish who braved the heat to shoot pics and helped with the course and timing at the finish line! Heiko and Anna from Germany showed up to sign autographs on their way to the beach. Chris Yandall, Chris Leach and Erik Von were there to root Lynn on to victory. I was on hand of course to document the 100-cone course on video and Erik Von shot the 50-cone.

Congrats to all the new World Record holders! See some of you in Antrim.

Cheers.

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Fabian Bjornstjerna · Post by **Fabian Bjornstjerna** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:56 am

Thanks Jani

intend to have a go at the real record as well

Jani Soderhall · Post by **Jani Soderhall** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:19 am

Marcus Seyffarth wrote:Anyways, two world records was set;
In the regular 100 open class Marcus Seyffarth got 18.82 + 4 cones = 19.22 (ironic this is the exact same time that the unofficial record I set two years ago.) In the Masters regular 100 class Fabian Björnstjerna got 19.49 + 9 cones = 20.39.

Yes, yes, yes - it's all back in order.
Marcus, world champion and now also world record holder!
Very cool!

Fabbe, congratulations too! That's a kind of hard to beat record in the master class.

/Jani

Toby Warg · Post by **Toby Warg** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:14 pm

Sweet, Marcus! Congrats to both of you and Fabian!

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2008 ISSA World Record Weekend -- discussion

Diplomas

Current records should be set with current rules

50 Konerhausen

Master's Cyber Time

Masters error?

CONGRATULATIONS: WE beat every previous record!

Re: World Records

Tick - Tock!!!

World Records

Re: Timing!

Timing!

Re: 100 cone challenge

100 cone challenge

Results from the UK.

So I guess the Weekend is over now

So Cal WR Setting Event Results

Re: and justice for all