Parallelslalom Race Grueningen, Schweiz 21./22. Juni 2003
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Glenn,
you are exactly right, the race this year will be different. It will have a true tight slalom on Saturday with the course as described on the website (please don´t kill me if you find some cones spaced 7.2 feet instead of 6.5) it will be a true technical tight course. I was responsible for the text regarding the course and I am there to assure a real tight course on Saturday. I will most likely not set it, but I will be envolved in the layout for sure.
Sundays course will be a lot wider but still more challenging than last year. The organizers are convinced that true progression can only come with challenging courses and the swiss are practicing, believe me.
Your are also right that most of the boards are longboards, but they are working on new designs. As always they want to make perfect designs, so the boards are well tested.
Last year I skated on the course you see in the video. The course was set by Chris Linford and it was alot tighter than it looks in the video. The clip is filmed with a mega fisheye, so cone distances look a lot larger than in reality. It was a tight, for sure not a GS. The guys skating are Chris Linford and Martin Drayton, both have incredible tight slalom abilities, so the course looks a lot easier than it actually was.
The course you see was NOT used in the actual race on Sunday because 75% of the racers would not have made it to the 10th cone. So this year will be a two day affair, two races, two different courses, one tight, one larger for everyone. You will see!
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you are exactly right, the race this year will be different. It will have a true tight slalom on Saturday with the course as described on the website (please don´t kill me if you find some cones spaced 7.2 feet instead of 6.5) it will be a true technical tight course. I was responsible for the text regarding the course and I am there to assure a real tight course on Saturday. I will most likely not set it, but I will be envolved in the layout for sure.
Sundays course will be a lot wider but still more challenging than last year. The organizers are convinced that true progression can only come with challenging courses and the swiss are practicing, believe me.
Your are also right that most of the boards are longboards, but they are working on new designs. As always they want to make perfect designs, so the boards are well tested.
Last year I skated on the course you see in the video. The course was set by Chris Linford and it was alot tighter than it looks in the video. The clip is filmed with a mega fisheye, so cone distances look a lot larger than in reality. It was a tight, for sure not a GS. The guys skating are Chris Linford and Martin Drayton, both have incredible tight slalom abilities, so the course looks a lot easier than it actually was.
The course you see was NOT used in the actual race on Sunday because 75% of the racers would not have made it to the 10th cone. So this year will be a two day affair, two races, two different courses, one tight, one larger for everyone. You will see!
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Chris,
The spacing of 1.7 to 2.0 meters(5.5 to 6.5 feet) sounds like it is to be quite a bit tighter than what this race has been in the recent past.
And it seems to go against what Swiss slalom board makers have been building in the recent past. Do any of the European board builder offer decks with wheelbases to handle this spacing? I always thought that Airflow and Indiana decks were longboard decks.
Course discription: http://www.pscontest.ch/eventse.htm
Can you confirm that this TS race will have no spacing greater than 6.5ft?
Do you ever get to skate at this location and have you tried a course here with this spacing?
From the video clip provided above by Yoyo, that clip is not even close. That must be the GS course?
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The spacing of 1.7 to 2.0 meters(5.5 to 6.5 feet) sounds like it is to be quite a bit tighter than what this race has been in the recent past.
And it seems to go against what Swiss slalom board makers have been building in the recent past. Do any of the European board builder offer decks with wheelbases to handle this spacing? I always thought that Airflow and Indiana decks were longboard decks.
Course discription: http://www.pscontest.ch/eventse.htm
Can you confirm that this TS race will have no spacing greater than 6.5ft?
Do you ever get to skate at this location and have you tried a course here with this spacing?
From the video clip provided above by Yoyo, that clip is not even close. That must be the GS course?
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Hey Vlad,
the problem last year was that the swiss were not prepared for the course Chris Linford set. If his course would have been the competition course 75 percent of the racers would not have made the course at all.
So what will be done this year are 2 courses, one tight and one semi-tight like at the tunnel race. You can ask the english guys and they will confirm that sundays course was tight! Count on 1,70 - 2 meters on saturday in Grueningen.
As for the italians.I don´´t know. They have registered so I think they will show up.
I think if you would register only if it is sure that they will come would be a little lame. Believe me that there will be enough competition for you. At least I will fill you up with enough beer the evening before the race to suck out the strength of your legs....hehe. a little fun on the side.
the problem last year was that the swiss were not prepared for the course Chris Linford set. If his course would have been the competition course 75 percent of the racers would not have made the course at all.
So what will be done this year are 2 courses, one tight and one semi-tight like at the tunnel race. You can ask the english guys and they will confirm that sundays course was tight! Count on 1,70 - 2 meters on saturday in Grueningen.
As for the italians.I don´´t know. They have registered so I think they will show up.
I think if you would register only if it is sure that they will come would be a little lame. Believe me that there will be enough competition for you. At least I will fill you up with enough beer the evening before the race to suck out the strength of your legs....hehe. a little fun on the side.
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I have a couple of questions to the organizers of this race. I've read the courses' description, but it would be wonderfull if you can confirm that here.
Some of us in the US are afraid that this event will be similar to Morro Bay 2001- a longboard slalom rather then traditional slalom. Because modern Swiss slalomers favor long boards, we’re worried that the courses are going to be set to accommodate the "new" slalom style rather then the classic slalom style. After all, a very famous Swiss slalomer, Daniel Ridoli, left after his first attempt last year (possibly because cone distances were extremely large). And he was one of the best slalomers in the world not long ago. When you call 2003 race a TS, do you mean 2003 standards or 1990s Swiss standards? How will it differ from the race last year? (What were the distances last year and please confirm 1.7 m to 2 m in TS if it's so).
Is there a way to make sure that all the registered Italian racers are coming or at least have expressed an interest? Can Paul Gatti and Giammarco Luca be personally contacted to confirm their knowledge of the race and their intent to come (not through a third party)?
We want to come, but we want to make sure it’s not going to be another longboarder’s race.
I did go overboard in my questions, just tell me it ain't so, and you'll make more then one person happy.
Thank you,
Vlad (on behalf of self and other interested US parties).
Some of us in the US are afraid that this event will be similar to Morro Bay 2001- a longboard slalom rather then traditional slalom. Because modern Swiss slalomers favor long boards, we’re worried that the courses are going to be set to accommodate the "new" slalom style rather then the classic slalom style. After all, a very famous Swiss slalomer, Daniel Ridoli, left after his first attempt last year (possibly because cone distances were extremely large). And he was one of the best slalomers in the world not long ago. When you call 2003 race a TS, do you mean 2003 standards or 1990s Swiss standards? How will it differ from the race last year? (What were the distances last year and please confirm 1.7 m to 2 m in TS if it's so).
Is there a way to make sure that all the registered Italian racers are coming or at least have expressed an interest? Can Paul Gatti and Giammarco Luca be personally contacted to confirm their knowledge of the race and their intent to come (not through a third party)?
We want to come, but we want to make sure it’s not going to be another longboarder’s race.
I did go overboard in my questions, just tell me it ain't so, and you'll make more then one person happy.
Thank you,
Vlad (on behalf of self and other interested US parties).
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You can find new infos and photos on the course and road and surface on http://www.pscontest.ch under "course"
New detailed photos will be added soon
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New detailed photos will be added soon
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Here is a link to last year's Saturday practice session...
http://home.arcor.de/skateyoyo/Clips/Sl ... ingen2.WMV
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http://home.arcor.de/skateyoyo/Clips/Sl ... ingen2.WMV
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You can find new infos on http://www.pscontest.ch in several updates in the coming weeks from now on. There are infos about the saturday night party online now.
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http://www.pscontest.ch now welcomes the Italian delegation to the starters list. More than 3 months until the race starts and already nearly 40 racers registered. Can someone please count how many nations will be represented?
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there are some Video clips of Martin Drayton & Chris Linford at this race in 2002 on the Ukssa website
go to
http://www.ukssa.net
click onto video's
Paul K
go to
http://www.ukssa.net
click onto video's
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I just deleted my own post with my answer to Michael....urgh computers....hate it, need it.
Anyway who has certain plans to come? I heard of the enlish dudes, Michael, Paul, ED.
Jani and Hans, Mr. Dong, JG, Howard Gordon, Attila, Carrascos (several?).....any one else? Sharon?
Ok a little early, but it would be cool to have a line up of the stars in the next plea for sponsors..
Anyway who has certain plans to come? I heard of the enlish dudes, Michael, Paul, ED.
Jani and Hans, Mr. Dong, JG, Howard Gordon, Attila, Carrascos (several?).....any one else? Sharon?
Ok a little early, but it would be cool to have a line up of the stars in the next plea for sponsors..
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If you want to have a little view of the race site you can check the report on http://www.sk8mag.de from 2002
go to:
http://www.sk8mag.de/contests/grueningen02/
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go to:
http://www.sk8mag.de/contests/grueningen02/
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Hi Chris,
I am very interested in making at least one trip over to race in Europe this year. Could you describe the courses as compared to the Morro Bay course? Are average cone distances like 4ft apart or somewhere closer to 6ft? Is altitude a factor? What would be an ideal board setup for the course? Any information you could provide will help greatly.
thanks,
Michael
I am very interested in making at least one trip over to race in Europe this year. Could you describe the courses as compared to the Morro Bay course? Are average cone distances like 4ft apart or somewhere closer to 6ft? Is altitude a factor? What would be an ideal board setup for the course? Any information you could provide will help greatly.
thanks,
Michael
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A race this summer in Switzerland...sounds great. Count me in and I now have it on my calendar also, and I hope there will be other domestic skaters that will also make the journey overseas 'cause I'd hate to see the slowest skater on the FCR tour be the only representative from the US.
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Announcement
Parallelslalom Contest Grueningen Switzerland
This is a pre-announcement for the famous Parallelslalom Race in Grueningen, Switzerland.
The race will be held for the fourth time now once again organized by the Youth-Generation Association.
The complete Swiss scene will be there as well as racers from all over Europe and hopefully the world.
For those of you who have been fortunate enough to have attended the race in 2002 you will remember the road for not having proper pavement in the upper section where the race was not held. This has been done for next year, the road has perfect pavement all the way now so the course will be significantly longer than in 2002. There will be photos available soon.
The stats:
Date: 21./22. June 2003
Place: Grueningen/Switzerland (nearest international Airport: Zuerich)
Categories: Girls, Juniors (16 and younger), Men
Disciplines: Tight and Giant Slalom (Sat/Sun not decided yet), ramp start, electronic timing
Entry fee: 15 - 20 SFR
Prices: 1.000 SFR first place (3.000-4.000 SFR whole purse) plus stuff prices (still looking for sponsors, interested companies please contact us)
Accomodation: for free in the bunker, Hotels will be listed on the homepage
There will be a party for all on Saturday evening (lets make our own Savage Club)
Homepage: http://www.pscontest.ch (update available January 2003)
Contact: jadranko.radovanovic@swissaxis.com
Ankündigung
Parallelslalom Contest, Grueningen, Schweiz
Dies ist eine Vorankündigung für das berühmte Parallelslalomrennen in Grueningen, Schweiz
Das Rennen wird nun zum vierten Mal abgehalten werden und wird wieder von der Youth-Generation Grueningen organisiert.
Die ganze schweizer Slalom Szene wird anwesend sein und auch Fahrer aus ganz Europa und hoffentlich aus der ganzen Welt.
Diejenigen glücklichen die letztes Jahr schon da waren werden sich daran erinnern dass die Strasse im oberen Bereich, wo das Rennen nicht statt fand, nicht gut asphaltiert war. Dies wurde inzwischen bereinigt so dass der Kurs bedeutend länger als letztes Jahr sein wird. Photos der Strasse werden demnächst erhältlich sein.
Die Daten:
Datum: 21./22. Juni 2003
Ort: Grueningen/Schweiz (nähester Internationaler Flughafen: Zürich)
Kategorien: Damen, Junioren (16 und jünger), Männer
Disziplinen: Tight und Giant Slalom (es ist noch nicht entschieden welcher Kurs Samstag oder Sonntag), Ramp Start, elektronische Zeitmessanlage
Startgeld: 15-20 SFR
Preise: 1.000 SFR (gesamt: 3.000-4.000 SFR) und Sachpreise (wir suchen noch nach Sponsoren, bei Interesse bitte melden)
Übernachtungsmöglichkeiten: umsonst im Zivilbunker, Hotels werden auf der Homepage aufgelistet.
Am Samstag abend wird eine Party stattfinden
Homepage: http://www.pscontest.ch (update ab Januar 2003)
Kontakt: jadranko.radovanovic@swissaxis.com
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Parallelslalom Contest Grueningen Switzerland
This is a pre-announcement for the famous Parallelslalom Race in Grueningen, Switzerland.
The race will be held for the fourth time now once again organized by the Youth-Generation Association.
The complete Swiss scene will be there as well as racers from all over Europe and hopefully the world.
For those of you who have been fortunate enough to have attended the race in 2002 you will remember the road for not having proper pavement in the upper section where the race was not held. This has been done for next year, the road has perfect pavement all the way now so the course will be significantly longer than in 2002. There will be photos available soon.
The stats:
Date: 21./22. June 2003
Place: Grueningen/Switzerland (nearest international Airport: Zuerich)
Categories: Girls, Juniors (16 and younger), Men
Disciplines: Tight and Giant Slalom (Sat/Sun not decided yet), ramp start, electronic timing
Entry fee: 15 - 20 SFR
Prices: 1.000 SFR first place (3.000-4.000 SFR whole purse) plus stuff prices (still looking for sponsors, interested companies please contact us)
Accomodation: for free in the bunker, Hotels will be listed on the homepage
There will be a party for all on Saturday evening (lets make our own Savage Club)
Homepage: http://www.pscontest.ch (update available January 2003)
Contact: jadranko.radovanovic@swissaxis.com
Ankündigung
Parallelslalom Contest, Grueningen, Schweiz
Dies ist eine Vorankündigung für das berühmte Parallelslalomrennen in Grueningen, Schweiz
Das Rennen wird nun zum vierten Mal abgehalten werden und wird wieder von der Youth-Generation Grueningen organisiert.
Die ganze schweizer Slalom Szene wird anwesend sein und auch Fahrer aus ganz Europa und hoffentlich aus der ganzen Welt.
Diejenigen glücklichen die letztes Jahr schon da waren werden sich daran erinnern dass die Strasse im oberen Bereich, wo das Rennen nicht statt fand, nicht gut asphaltiert war. Dies wurde inzwischen bereinigt so dass der Kurs bedeutend länger als letztes Jahr sein wird. Photos der Strasse werden demnächst erhältlich sein.
Die Daten:
Datum: 21./22. Juni 2003
Ort: Grueningen/Schweiz (nähester Internationaler Flughafen: Zürich)
Kategorien: Damen, Junioren (16 und jünger), Männer
Disziplinen: Tight und Giant Slalom (es ist noch nicht entschieden welcher Kurs Samstag oder Sonntag), Ramp Start, elektronische Zeitmessanlage
Startgeld: 15-20 SFR
Preise: 1.000 SFR (gesamt: 3.000-4.000 SFR) und Sachpreise (wir suchen noch nach Sponsoren, bei Interesse bitte melden)
Übernachtungsmöglichkeiten: umsonst im Zivilbunker, Hotels werden auf der Homepage aufgelistet.
Am Samstag abend wird eine Party stattfinden
Homepage: http://www.pscontest.ch (update ab Januar 2003)
Kontakt: jadranko.radovanovic@swissaxis.com
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