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Do you still ride your old Turner

Postby Christopher Bara » Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:49 pm

I always got a kick out of people seeing somebody riding an old Turner and saying "you're going to ride that?...it's collectible, it should be on a shelf"
They've got beautiful lines, but i have to doubt if Bobby would have rather seen them on a wall than on the street......
so...
Do you still ride your old Turners?

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Postby Glenn S » Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:14 am

Chris,
Are all of those made by Bobby Turner? Also is that a do-it-yourself pinstriping on that green Turner?
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Postby Christopher Bara » Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:56 am

Hey Glenn. Both Green ones are Bobby boards, the white one is a Vinnie board, lower camber and slightly different shoulders. That middle one was done at a custom body shop, 1970 'cuda green with painted stripes. Peggy gave me the tape for it.
I was going to put it on a shelf, but it's too much fun to ride
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Postby Wesley Tucker » Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:44 am

Chris,

My three vintage Turner Summerskis are OFFICIALLY RETIRED:

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I agree with you that a board is meant to ride and not display, but sometimes the reality of life makes that difficult. All of these boards were built a guy who spent a long time on the phone with Bobby and got a flex that was PERFFECT for a 154-pound 19-year old.

As much as I wish it was otherwise, my current 190 pounds makes riding these boards just entirely too risky. I can still ride the orange cut away if I wanted as it was stiff when I bought it and still stiff when I ride it now. That, though, is just too much of a risk for me. I rode the full nose right up until I got my Blackbird last year, but every time I did I felt like I was pushing my luck. I haven't rode the red-yellow two-tone in 10 years. Maybe if I drop 25 pounds this year sweating and skating I MIGHT pull it out for the vintage race at 'da Farm, but that just depends on circumstances.

All three of these boards are set up with vintage equipment except the Full Nose that has RT Trackers that I upgraded to for Morro Bay in 2002. The Full Nose and 2-Tone have Park Rider Logan 5s and the orange cut away has Kryp-C-65s.

Like I said, I'd love to still ride these boards, but I know a sag out is not too far in the future if I push it. Also, with the arrival of my new custom Icks, I've retired my two cut away Icks Sticks for the same reason. I can still ride the 1990-model Flattie and 1979 Santa Cruz H- Bomb because they really don't have the same life expectancy as a foam-core board.

If Rick Howell reads this, he's gonna be PISSED! I asked for and he built for me two new boards with flexes for a 175-pound rider. Getting off 15 extra, though, is a lot easier than dropping 35 or 40! Besides, I think these two will carry me for a month or two while I get off all this stuff I picked up late last year.
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Postby Dave Gale » Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:44 am

Image These are my stash o' Turner..I still ride the full nose 70's blk w/ hand airbrushed graphics ala Bobby '77'
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Postby Christopher Bara » Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:53 am

See, funny thing there...the shape is so pure, you can have more than one and still not get bored looking at it....Wes, you said something that made me wonder though...can old foamcores get "tired"?......my old fullnose is pretty flexy under my weight...not to the ground, but still bouncy...can these boards fatigue to the point of just cracking without notice?......i've never heard of it happening, but then again most folks arent riding the older ones anymore. It would be about the same age as Daves airbrushed one (though not in nearly as nice of shape....Mr. G that's a purdy board)
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Postby Wesley Tucker » Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:41 am

Chris,

It all depends. I've had the orange cut away and it was rode hard and put away wet for 25 years. The Full Nose for 22. I've also had three Summerskis that didn't make it past four years. Same is true for one Ick Stick I bought from Rick in 1990 the same time I bought my flattie. After less than a year the Ick just gave up the ghost.

Steve Evans told me something not too long ago that pretty well describes the situation: a foam core board is like trying to glue paper to a piece of toast. The foam core is porous and in some ways crumbly and with resin you attempt to get fiberglas to stick to it. Then, you take this whole concoction out into the street and ride it while this paper/toast combination bounces up and down working constantly on the glue. Sometimes, you get lucky and it all stays together for a lifetime.

Other times, though, small gaps and "de-laminations" start setting in where the glas works away from the foam from the incessant flexing, unflexing, twisting and torquing of riding a slalom board. When that happens, the foam core is just kind of free floating without any reinforcement and after one too many pumps, it breaks and crumbles away. If you're riding it at the time, the board will literally (as I describe it) "sag out," and you'll just go from a slalomin' sumbitch to a beached whale slowly settling to the asphalt. It really feels like someone is letting the air out of your tires while you're trying to ride. To all true and devoted slalom enthusiasts, it is a feeling that is more sad and gut wrenching than the most violent slam or even more tragic than losing to Tway in the early rounds.

Of course, another factor that weighs in on this is YOUR WEIGHT. From what I understand, a board's flex is dependant on two things: the number of layers of glas laid down and the core thickness. As such, a STIFF FLEX for a 150-pound guy might feel like a MEDIUM FLEX to a 190 pound guy. And, of course, they all feel REALLY SOFT to a guy weighing 220. Well, they feel soft until the board gives way and sags to the ground under the stress hauling the fat bastard around on a board he had no difference jumping on in the first place. So, as I said, that perfect medium flex cut away that Bobby layed up for you when in high school just might struggle a bit under the load of a middle-aged skater who enjoys Busch and pepperonis a little too often.

So, I guess the anwer is that you'll never know the answer until the unthinkable happens. It's a question of weighing risk against returms. We all know the return of riding a foam Turner Summerski: incredible response and speed. The risk is when the board gives up so much giving you that kind of performance. At what point will it give up the ghost and become a sad memory?

I never want that to happen to my Turners. I know from experience it's a definite possibility. The same is true of my Icks. I want them around in one piece for as long as I am. So just to be on the safe side, I'm going to put them in a prominent place in my house and let them enjoy their retirement.

Well, that is unless I get the urge to take one out and run a few cones :-)
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Postby Christopher Bara » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:55 am

A couple more shots of foamy's at Mr. Gales request

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Postby Christopher Bara » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:56 am

But what is that silver one on the 3rd step?
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Postby Dave Gale » Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:53 am

Thanks Mr Bara... The board you ask of, is #4 Proto type "Whitebird" that has a 5" wide layer of carbon (giving it the silver look. It's shape remaind to become the GS/Hybrid, but that board runs circles around any production version I've ridden. The Blk/Red cutaway was purchased from Steven after being drug from under Peggy and Bobby's bed, and now resides in my bedroom w/ it's brother Fullnose, that I've owned since '77 and still ride (even w/ it's few hundred stress cracks in the clear coat (I don't push either one very hard) but they enjoy getting out and taking in some fresh asphalt laden air.
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parallel only??

Postby Greg Olsen » Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:14 pm

Love these old Turners... They remind me of Star Wars or something....ugly but memory invoking. They seem NOT to be rideable with the newer style of feet over the trucks. They suit my retro 70s semi parallel stance though. Would like to try one someday...
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Postby Alex Luxat » Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:35 pm

Wesley Tucker wrote:...
Steve Evans told me something not too long ago that pretty well describes the situation: a foam core board is like trying to glue paper to a piece of toast. The foam core is porous and in some ways crumbly and with resin you attempt to get fiberglas to stick to it. Then, you take this whole concoction out into the street and ride it while this paper/toast combination bounces up and down working constantly on the glue. Sometimes, you get lucky and it all stays together for a lifetime.

Other times, though, small gaps and "de-laminations" start setting in where the glas works away from the foam from the incessant flexing, unflexing, twisting and torquing of riding a slalom board. When that happens, the foam core is just kind of free floating without any reinforcement and after one too many pumps, it breaks and crumbles away. ...


basically true.

but there are new foams especially made for dynamic stresses with different bonding and flexing properties (different from rigid "surfboard"-style foams).
check out the airex r63 foams:
http://www.alcanairex.com/pictures/products/e/100/R63_E.pdf

you can bend those 180° without snapping them.
also they don´t have a crumbly surface.

just my 2 cents.
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Postby Glenn S » Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:59 pm

I'm with Alex on this subject. There are now other cores and resin systems that have properties that far excede the Polyurethane (PUR) foam and Polyester resin (PER) that was/is used in those decks.

None the less, I feel Bobby Turner was the best at using those materials as far as skateboards go. And Greg I don't see any ugly in those designs. They look timelessly classic and racey to me.

Check out this link for a good description of sandwich construction: http://boatdesign.net/articles/foam-core/
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Postby Christopher Bara » Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:20 pm

I'm not sure what the new Turners are made of, but the 2005 cutaway i have pictures of in this forum is half as light as the other ones i've held. The top and bottom are of different materials, judging by their look....and for reasons beyond me, it's comfortable to ride even though i'm used to a wider flatter board.....
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Postby Dave Gale » Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:32 pm

Ugly and Turner in the same sentence?? I have always thought of the lines of most Turners as being the sexiest of any board! But to each his own, thank God for people w/ different tastes for with out you...there'e only be ugly available girls in the world ;-)
A friend of mine has stumbled onto a new foam that he is going to be using to produce things you never dreamt of!! I'll let him let the cat out when time comes!!
As far as riding aggressively on rolled tops, I agree w/ Chris, If you're not in a parallel stance you need the added grip along the edges! If you look at my yellow cut away and my black one as well, you'll see that applied grip further north than the factory job on my full nose (which needn't to have it added!!!
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Postby Alex Luxat » Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:45 am

Dave Gale wrote:... I have always thought of the lines of most Turners as being the sexiest of any board! ...


WORD

we exhibited some of our decks together with other stuff at the PASSAGEN (alternative program with the intl. furniture fair in cologne) and i had a hard time with somebody to explain a deck design. -- most i could explain with function, but:
"but why is it so pointy?" -- "cause it looks sexy and fast."

bobby turner will always be one of my heros. (next to bucky fuller who is the greatest)

*now finally going to bed after too much pointless carneval*


PPS: i envy especially you, chris, for this green fullnose - that deck is without words.

[EDIT -PPPS] i just hoped that you don´t think i was trying to spam here. i really think turner was a pioneer and i´m just a kölsch carneval drunk giving his opinion (intoxicated but: in vino veritas)
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Postby Dave Gale » Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:16 am

Aaah.. not only are the looks lovely, but functional! I had a rather lengthy talk w/ Bobby at LaCosta and praised him for his artistic and performance contributions to our game. He was certain to add the functionality in the cut away's nose forward and slanted down, it acts as a "cattle grate" of the locamotive kind! It will knock a cone up and to the side of your wheels ! This negates the hated wheel /cone bite that SUCKS!! Granted most cones these daze don't fold under to diss the rider offending them, but the thought was there and Bobby made it simple/pure and beautifully sexy!!!!
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Postby Marty Agather » Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:38 am

I was on the road the other day and happened to see an article in the USA Today on the resurgence in "long boards". A week or two went by, and this evening I decided to google and see if maybe this old geezer could find a board to ride.

As I was looking around at the various new equipment, I remembered a little gem I've been dragging around with me for the past 20+ years, and voila, I'm here.

I rooted around and found my old stash, and laid hands on a hand laid gem. It's a bit different than any of the pictures posted here. If I can grab a digital camera, I'll post one up. Without being any kind of expert, I'm guessing that this might be a combination slalom/gs Turner?

I bought the board used, after breaking a soft full nose (I had forgotten how beautiful that shape is!). I'm pretty sure that it was a stiff flex, but the unusual part is that it's got a much longer nose than any of those pictured, and is drilled for a both a short wheel base and a approximately one inch longer wheelbase.

The board is airbrushed with the turner logo on top, summerski on bottom.

And no, I don't ride it (or anything else for that matter) any more.

Pictures to follow.

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Postby Christopher Bara » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:14 pm

Hey Marty...you have one of two boards...either an early cutaway, which had longer noses than the latter ones....or an early bullet shaped model, which had a more rounded nose and a cutaway tail...these were a bit longer than the fullnoses.....send me a pic when you get a chance and i'll let you know...and if i dont know, i'll forward it on to somebody who will.....

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Damn, will you look at the nose on that one??

Postby Marty Agather » Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:29 am

As promised, I've got some images to share with you. As stated in my first post, in no way do I claim to be anything other than an ex skater. This forum has quite a bit of expertise on all things Turner, and so I'll defer to others when it comes to identifying what exactly this is. About the only thing I can attest to is that it was quick and a great ride.


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Discoloration around the tip of the nose is where the plastic bumper was affixed. It started to come off, and I used a bit of epoxy to glue it back on. Obviously a temporary fix. The bumper was transparent blue plastic, but has been lost over the intervening years.



The bottom of the board, with an obligatory sticker or two. Missing is the Dead sticker that used to be just in front of the rear axel, but it was paper based, and rain water splashing on it didn't do it any good. After seeing this forum and realizing what I had, I rubbed off the remaining adhesive with a mild solvent, so she'd be as pretty as possible for you. And yes Dolores, we did ride in the rain, just because we weren't going to let a little traction loss prevent us from getting an adrenaline fix.



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You will also note original Kryp C68 slalom wheels on Trackers. Harder Duro in front for speed, softer in rear for traction. I had gull wings on this at one point, but for high speed down hill the Trackers provided far more stability and control. The one item of interest that you can see in this picture is the glare spots that run down the right side (looking at the bottom). That is where chunks of the resin have broken free, like chips off of a flint arrowhead. Note that the color is deep, not a surface colorant such as a coat of paint. Those of you who still ride oldies but goodies, you have been warned!


Here is a closeup of the logo, note the shadow style graphic, and small leading s as compared to other images here. You can also see the stress cracks in the finish, and get a little better idea of the finish chips I was referring to above. Note that I skate almost 100%parallel, with my feet turned ever so slightly to the left of dead center. The chips are on the toe side.


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Finally, a close up of the nose, showing the double drilled front truck mount, providing two different wheel base set ups.



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I hope that everybody enjoys a look at another Turner, perhaps a bit different than some of the others. I know I've enjoyed looking at yours and reminiscing on the old days when the stick and I spent serious time together. And mostly, I'm fascinated by the knowledge that there are others out here who remember what a Summerski is.

Stick to the fall line,

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Postby Christopher Bara » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:37 pm

We remember....and there's still hope that they'll make a resurgence, but with boards in the US averaging about 32 by 8", and with 36" being the standard board on the fast GS courses these days, they'll have to change their shape and size.....hopefully without losing the classic turner lines.....

I sent you an Email about your Cutaway too....classic board that it is...
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Postby Marty Agather » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:05 am

Hard to believe that only a month and a half has passed since my last post. In that time I've picked up a long board, met some local Northwooders who skate with passion, turned some cones, let a couple of guys ever so gently ride my classic, and bought both 50 of my own cones and working on buying a new (to me) Turner that I can ride hard. With any luck, I'll have it in hand next week. And then I can take over the role of tail end charlie.

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Postby Christopher Bara » Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:23 pm

good on ya Marty.......who are you skating with over there?.....and who's Turner are you buying?....is it a foamy or a hybrid and how are you setting it up?.........

Youve gotten back into this at a good time....and now youre going to have a huge race in LaCosta coming up in about a month, including a legends race with the likes of Hester, Skolberg and Yandall........you'll feel like youre in a time warp.......

Break out that old flyaway and start running those cones
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Postby Marty Agather » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:49 pm

Dave Larson is the guy that is fueling the stoke here in Minnesota. Great guy and a real friend of slalom. He's been in the scene for many years, but I don't know if he's gotten outside the midwest or not.

He's been the lone ranger up here for quite some time, but in the last couple of months he's organized a couple of cone bashing events, supplying cones and boards for the neophytes. Right after I found you guys I googled "skateboard minnesota", and got one of his postings here, and pm'd him.

He pointed me to a shop where I got the long board and invited me to a long board session. At the end of that session, he threw down a couple of cones, pulled his number one gun (Roe S Camber) out and let me take a couple of runs. I was pretty ugly, but the dope was in my veins. And now I'm off the wagon, much to my wife's chagrin.

If you run into Dave, give him some props. He's giving it back to the sport!

Thanks for all of the guidance guys.

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Postby Marty Agather » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:07 pm

As for set up, I have every intention of going state of the art, but budget considerations have me assembling something usable for the time being. As you might expect, this has been a fairly expensive addiction to resurrect. In the heat of passion the other night I mounted up some old Gull Wing split axels front and back with the Krypto wheels seen on the cutaway above. As part of my gear up, I had purchased some new bearings and various duro bushings, so I've got enough to play and tune. I'm going to pick up a wedge kit, and will probably go GW in front with one of the trackers from the cutaway in back.

Ultimately I'd like new gen trucks front and rear, but I'm guessing that will run a couple o hundy, and I still need personal protective gear. Can't seem to find my old school knee and elbow pads and oem Hobie wrist guards! They've got to be around somewhere, I just need to figure out which box.

Hate to be a newbie, but what's a flyaway?



Thanks for all of the guidance guys.

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Postby Adam Daniels » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:10 pm

just got my turner in the mail, restored, and its setup with fulltracks and c-62's but the question is....

how do i go about gripping this puppy?
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Postby Wesley Tucker » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:08 pm

Adam,

If you want to the classic Turner "pitchfork" grip tape pattern, here is what you do: go to Home Depot or Lowes to the Paint department and look at the tape section. There you will find 2" 3M "ladder/step" grip tape. I think a 15-foot roll costs $6-7.

That's all you need. The interior tape strips are 2" wide. Just get two lengths, lay them back to back and cut the bottom at a 45-degree angle. Cut the top at 45-degrees then another cut at 22. (I know that sounds complicated, but you get the idea.) You'll have two pieces that are exact mirrors that lay on both sides of the top mounting holes.

For the outer pieces, take a lenght of the 2" tape and . . . cut in half lengthwise. That's now two piece 1" wide. These pieces are a little shorter than the 2" pieces, so just cut to fit on the outer rails.

It's not rocket science, it just takes a steady hand with a pair of sharp scissors. Lookat the pics of my three boards at the top of the topic and you'll see how the 2" + 1" tape combination works on top of the board.

Posts pics after you do the deed.
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Postby Christopher Bara » Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:56 pm

orrr....if you want to grip the whole top like a modern board, take a look at the 2005 Cutaway down the thread in the Turner forum.....i laid the whole top out in clear, then traced out where the black strips would go and made cutouts for those...that way the top is gripped, but it still looks like the classic style.....it takes some time, but its allot safer this way
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Postby Adam Daniels » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:35 pm

i plan to just make the black strips but is there any dimensions? i have autodesk so i can make it up in cad and print it out and then go from there.......i want to do this right

for now i am stuck riding it barefoot....its a sweet ride. light flex

how far can these go before they snap? for now no one rides it but me
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Postby Christopher Bara » Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:47 am

do it the way Wes says...go the local hardware store and buy either the 1" or 2" 3M grip strips...or a combo of both

It wont snap under your weight.....i'm guessing ever..........but dont let some huge dude ride it if it's a medium flex.....
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Postby Wesley Tucker » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:01 am

Adam,

Just for you, I broke out my scale and my cut away and literally measured the lengths of the strips.

The 2" wide inner strips are 18" long at their maximum, the 1" out strips are 10".

Just look at the pictures. It's self explanatory. AutoCad? Jesus. You think Bobby ever worried about AutoCad when he was taping boards in his garage? Just do it, dude.

P.S. You can buy 1" and 2" strips, but, why that kind of expense? Spend the money instead on a utility knife with a sharp razor edge. It'll cut fine.
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Postby Adam Daniels » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:18 am

autocad was just something my brother had.....i am aware bobby didn't have that sorta of stuff

it is his design, so i bet he knew it pretty good. i just wanted to get it right

ps--your turners rule. i am using your decks as a guideline

so they won't snap? thats good, but it flexes a good amount with me on it when i stand a regular stance
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Postby Christopher Bara » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:31 am

then you have a soft flex....no more than 140 lbs for that one....
For the record.....THIS is where the boards were made.

Not a high tech factory....more like a clean wood shed.....seriously.....that's the beauty of it all

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Postby Dave Gale » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:57 am

The Black /Full nose on the bottom step of my pics is the way it was taped from the "factory" It only used 1" tape and I never slid on it..But the rolled edge affords a chance to loose traction and result in injury (that's why the yellow has outer taped sections and the black/red cut-away uses larger area strips..Also, get seal washers and DON"T over tighten the mounting hardware!! Have fun!!!
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Postby Marty Agather » Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:47 pm

Dave,

I had a soft flex black full nose just like yours, probably a similar vintage. The only difference was that it had white paint airbrushed on to the rolled edge. As I recall, the paint only went back to the front wheels give or take. Your board is beautiful, and a true classic.

Oh yeah, one other difference, I snapped it in half back in the day.

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Postby Adam Daniels » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:32 am

as a few of you know, i recently hunted down a turner summerski from the 70's. i found it almost a year ago and it was in rough shape so i didn't buy it. but then the guy had it restored and he said he was willing to sell it, so i picked it up

setup is vintage fulltracks and vintage 85a krypto c-62's

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Postby Wesley Tucker » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:49 am

Adam,

That's about perfect. You're good to go for the Vintage class.

One question: is it black glas or painted black? That picture from the rear makes is look like it's got a coat of acrylic on it.

It's funny but I have a black full nose, my Donwhill Gun is black and I've seen several other black SummerSkis. Rick Howell, though, outright refuses to work with black. He says that every attempt he's ever made at a black glas board never satisfied him so he's stopped. I've only seen one black Ick (Kosick's,) and it looked great. I think the anti-black Ick thing with Rick is more of an issue of personal standards than acceptable results.
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Postby Dave Gale » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:05 am

She's a beaut!! Clean and crisp...Now, where are them seal washers???
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Mr. Daniels, Get rubber/urethane Plumbing Washers!

Postby Eric Brammer » Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:44 am

Adam, Go ASAP to a decent hardware store, and get 00 or 1/4" sized Flat plumbing washers, eight of them. Put them between the mounting bolt heads and the top of the Turner's deck. If you don't, you risk punching or cracking the topsheet of the deck. This will mean that you'll likely need mounting hardware that's another 1/8" longer. DO NOT use #10-24 TPI bolts on foamcore decks to mount the trucks. Use #10-32 TPI hardware instead, as the finer threading will be far less abrasive to the fiberglass(M-5 hardware is o.k.,too,but is a bit larger in diameter than US #10 bolts). Never 'push' mounting bolts into or out of the deck, turn the bolts, using the threading to help seat or unseat each bolt. Do Not use Power Tools to secure mounting hardware, as you can pull the screw head Right On Through the deck. Don't use hard plastic risers/wedges by themselves, always put a Dooks foam or Tracker Rubber-shock thin pad between the riser and deck (unless you're using Thane, or Rubber soft riser/wedges such as the soft Khiros or Rad-Pads). This keeps vibration at bay, but also reduces side-to-side 'squirm' that severe turning forces transmit to the deck thru the risers. I've run Turners for 17 years now, and Airtechs and Kryptonics foamcores before that. All of foamcores are ridable, but a few are 'worn out' where the mounting holes are. With care in picking your bolts, plumbing/rubber washers, and correct risers, you can keep a Foamcore rolling for the better part of your life. Be wrong (as your board is NOW) about it, and it'll get tweaked in a few bad minutes
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Postby Adam Daniels » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:32 pm

i was told by Kevin Hornibrook to use neoprene backed washers, that sound good?
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Postby Dave Gale » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:52 am

Yes Adam..Neoprene backed/plumbers/seal washers are all the same thing!! They are slighttky cupped..When tightening them down, just tighten to the point that the metal is almost flat not until they are tight to the feel!!! This will protect the skin and avoid undue pressures!! Be patient and don't be tempted to ride until you gotter right!! You'll be glad you did!
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Postby Adam Daniels » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:12 am

i got them and mounted them tonight, but i really don't want to crank them down. i just tightened them enough for them to feel a little above snug

its good, and i'm happy and confident i will have it 30 years from now
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Postby Dave Gale » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:11 am

Good job Adam... Now, about those curbs that are a Turner's WORST enemy........
ah, hell..you know what to do.
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Postby Adam Daniels » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:16 pm

yea, you get in line with one, and give your turner the hardest push as possible :)
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