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UK Results...

Post by Martin Drayton » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:12 am

GET WELL SOON ANTONIO!!!!!

Well, we did our best in cold, nasty, wintery, grey conditions...can't beat an English Summer!
Here are the results:

ISSA Record attempts Hove, UK 7th September 2008

Results.
50 cone
1.10.53 sec Martin Drayton (Master)
2.10.97 sec Louis “Slipa” Selby (Men)
3.11.13 sec Paul Price (Men)
4.12.36 sec Paul “Crowbar” Nolan (Men)
5.13.00 sec Jack Corpes (Junior)-to be confirmed.
6.13.59 sec Mmedo Duffort (Men)

I couldn't improve on my 10.16 sec in the sunshine of 2 weeks ago and Paul Price fell early on dislocating his shoulder, but Louis and Jack showed us a glimpse of the future of British skating!

Cyber Slalom
1.8.035 sec Louis “Slipa” Selby (Men)
2.8.908 sec Mike “Old School”Allison (Men)
3.9.09 sec Mmedo “1848” Duffort (Men)
4.9.437 sec Jack Corpes (Junior)
5.10.20 sec Tony Lord (Men)
6.10.26 sec Paul “Crowbar” Nolan (Men)
7.12.01 sec Steve “Munchh” Rhodes (Men)
8.12.08 sec Mark “Weatherwitch” Roberts (Master)
9.12.56 sec Ryan (?) (Junior)
10.13.92 sec Mikey Corpes (Junior)

Bear in mind that Louis only got ONE run, (beating Michael Dong's old record) as he had to leave with the injured Paul, so who knows what he is capable of! Well done Michael coming out of retirement to take back your crown!
As for the rest of the guys, this was the FIRST time most of them had ever seen a Cyber course, Old School Mike having only started this Summer AND his time was gained riding a G&S Warptail, Trackers and old Abec 11 Stingers!!!!

A great effort by all involved, thanks to Michael for timing gear and to Munchh for getting it and keeping it running. A special mention to Hazel Corpes who valiantly coneheaded and took down times while frozen to the core-awesome!

Martin Drayton.
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Record day in Latvia

Post by Gints Gailitis » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:33 am

World record day for Latvian and Lithuanian slalom skaters was start 11:00 a.m. and finish only 10:00 p.m. in sauna.
The weather in Riga city was very burning and sultry, temperature + 25 C
All day practically lull and hard to gasp.
Only today in morning was big thunderstorm in Riga.

The personal record was set 21 participants.
Ainars Jermacenko beat new record in 50 and 100 cones. The best Latvian slalom skater Janis Kuzmins don’t participate.
Lienite Skaraine beat new record in “Cyber” slalom and 100 cones in lady group.
The best raider in junior group was Juris Grundulis from Jurmala. He was the best in “Cyber”, 50 and 100 cones.
1000 meter pumping run the winner was me. Second was Marks Kiselovs, third Gustavs Gailitis. I establish personal record in competition – 2: 35.
We look video from World championship, World Cup in Latvia and Policka after competitions. The best raiders received money prizes, cups, new wheels, trucks, decks and others prizes. I the end all raiders was dog-tired but very happy.
“Cyber”
1.Ainars Jermacenko 8.86
2.Gints Zommers 8.98
3.Gints Gailitis 8.99

1.Lienite Skaraine 11.09
2.Ilze Mazure 14.15

“50” cones
1.Ainars Jermacenko 10.12
2.Gustavs Gailitis 10.29
3.Remigius Petrauskas 11.24


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Stockholm documentation

Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:19 am

We filmed the parts that we thought was necessary to document to get this valid. Hopefully it will do the job, I didn't edit the video at all, so it is tape measurements, counting of cones, alignment of start and stop switches all mixed up with a few runs. The one where I follow Hans Göthberg is actually his fastest clean run of the day (10.20).

We had some minor headwind - but it was so little that we didn't bother to switch directions. Next time we will hopefully be in a better mood and nail one of those 9.50 runs.

http://www.ettsexett.com/gallery/mov/2008/WR50Cones.wmv

Pat - Please let us know if the film is good enough documentation so that we know what to do when documenting the 100.

Michael - Great record! Now its really unbeatable :) Is this the new masters record as well?

George - I guess the 19.22 from september 2006 was not official enough. We'll fix that soon ;)

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Re: Latvia – World Records Attempts

Post by Jani Soderhall » Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:21 am

World records attempt photos from Latvia:

21 participants established personal records and Ainars Jermacenko established the
first Latvian record in 50 and 100 cones.


Edijs Jermacenko:
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Egons Papirtis:
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Ilze and Lienite:
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Juniors:
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The Podium:
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Photos from Gints.
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Post by Martin Drayton » Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:38 am

I think we have ALL the 50 cone runs on film, some of the Cybers and stills of the venue, timing set-up, measuring of cones etc.
At some point I guess the Worldwide results will be collated and we can crown the new Champions, we are all waiting with baited breath to see if we have a junior World Champ!

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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:43 am

Where are the Latvian 100 cone times?

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Unofficial Nor Cal times

Post by Judi Oyama » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:35 pm

Contest Date: September 7, 2008
Contest Location: Santa Cruz Levee and San Jose
Results: 25, 50 (Santa Cruz) and 100 (San Jose)

Sanction: PRIME
Contest Director: Judi Oyama

We had great weather in Santa Cruz with very subtle winds. The police came by three times and were very nice. The third one we had to go so we only got results in one direction on the 50.

Thank you goes out to Jonny Miller and family for helping. Bringing ramp and timing. Good ju ju. TOO!

25 Cone Cyber
Run one toward the beach slight downhill slight headwinds
Run two slight up hill with slight tail winds



Gary Holl
Run 1 8.75
Run 2 8.66
Average 8.71

Jonny Miller
Run 1 9.14
Run 2 9.05
Average 9.1

John Ravitch Masters Men
Run 1 8.97
Run 2 9.05
Average 9.1

Miko Biffle Masters Men
Run 1 10.01
Run 2 9.79
Average 9.9

Marcus Rietama
Run 1 10.49
Run 2 10.13
Average 10.31

Judi Oyama Masters Women
Run 1 10.38
Run 2 10.43
Average 10.41

Jay LaPalm
Run 1 10.65
Run 2 10.56
Average 10.61

Glen Campbell
Run 1 11.22
Run 2 11.02
Average 11.12

Cat Young Masters Women
Run 1 11.33
Run 2 11.01
Average 11.17

Peter Ramirez Kids
Run 1 12.29
Run 2 11.40
Average 11.85

Jamie Hart Masters Men
Run 1 12.12
Run 2 12.43
Average 12.27

Nick Ronzani Kids
Run 1 12.43
Run 2 12.48
Average 12.46

Bruce Bjornvet Masters Men
Run 1 12.63
Run 2 12.78
Average 12.71

Wally Sueyoshi
Run 1 14.29
Run 2 14.64
Average 14.47

Keith Henderson
Run 1 12.26
Run 2 DQ
Average None

John Kim
Run 1 10.44
Run 2 None
12.43 note on same page? Need to talk to John and Drew
Average None

50 Cone
From ramp start
Fastest run (got shut down before we could finish
Run slight up hill with slight tail winds
Only clean runs were counted


Gary Holl
Run 1 12.53

John Ravitch Masters Men
Run 1 13.64

Judi Oyama Masters Women
Run 1 13.81

Jonny Miller
Run 1 14.68

Glen Campbell
Run 1 20.07

Jamie Hart Masters Men
Run 1 20.26

Miko Biffle Masters Men
Run 1 DNF

Marcus Rietama
Run 1 DNF

Jay LaPalm
Run 1 DNF

Cat Young Masters Women
Run 1 DNF

Peter Ramirez Kids
Run 1 DNF

Nick Ronzani Kids
Run 1 DNF

Bruce Bjornvet Masters Men
Run 1 DNF

Wally Sueyoshi
Run 1 DNF

Keith Henderson
Run 1 DNF

100 Cone
Push Start
Super Hot 95
Strong headwinds


Gary Holl
Run 1 fastest time Clean run
25.69

Judi Oyama Masters Women
Run 1 fastest time Clean run
28.95

Jonny Miller
Run 1 fastest time with cone penalties
24.77 + 5 cones
25.11 + 3 cones

Cat Young Masters Women
Run 1 fastest time with cone penalties
28.24 + 1


Jamie Hart Masters Men
Run 1 fastest time Clean run
37.54
Run 1 fastest time with cone penalties
34.92 + 5
36.08 + 3

Thank you Drew, Jackson (Miko's son), Marcus for helping keep times. Everyone for putting up with me directing and shouting to move off the path for bikers. I didn't want to get shut down earlier. I know bikers and they do not like to move over.

Thank you to the Santa Cruz Police for putting up with us and all the walkers and joggers. I will submit all info and photos later.

Can folks post if the women were masters so Cat and I know were we stand in the results. Thanks

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All results in Riga

Post by Gints Gailitis » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:22 pm

25 „Cyber”
1.Ainars Jermačenko 9.06 8.86
2.Gints Zommers 8.98 9.20
3.Gints Gailītis 9.19 8.99
4.Gustavs Gailītis DQ 9.02
5.Marks Kiseļovs 9.18 9.19
6.Guntars Gailītis 9.45 9.48
7.Remigius Petrauskas DQ 9.45
8.Didzis Jasukaitis 10.15 9.69
9.Edžus Konošonoks DQ 9.90
10.Juris Grundulis (junior) DQ 10.71
11.Gints Ruperts 10.92 11.62
12.Jonas Petrauskas (junior) 11.01 DQ
13.Egons Papirtis 11.02 11.13
14.Lienite Skaraine 11.34 11.09
15.Aivars Kārkliņš (junior) 12.48 11.09
16.Edgars Skuķis 11.65 11.25
17.Andis Pelcmanis DQ 11.57
18.Edijs Jermačenko (junior) DQ 11.86
19.Ilze Mazure 16.80 14.15
20.Eduards Vitmanis 14.85 15.27
21.Aksels Ruperts 17.87 19.00

50 cones
1.Ainārs Jermačenko 10.12 DQ
2.Gustavs Gailītis 10.81 10.29
3.Remigius Petrauskas 11.59 11.24
4.Gints Zommers 11.37 DQ
5.Didzis Jasukaitis 12.17 DQ
6.Gints Gailītis 12.96 DQ
7.Andis Pelcmanis DQ 13.90
8.Guntars Gailītis DQ 14.17
All others 13 raiders have DQ in 2 runs

100 cones
1.Ainārs Jermačenko 22.03 (21.53 + 5 cones) DNR 21.56 (20.96 + 6)
2.Gustavs Gailītis 22.45 22.82 (22.66 + 2)
3.Gints Zommers 24.75 (24.65 + 1) 23.25
4.Remigius Petrauskas 24.80 (24.50 + 3) 24.26 (23.86 + 4)
5.Gints Gailītis 24.27 (23.47 + 8) 24.87 (24.57 + 3)
6.Didzis Jasukaitis 26.94 (26.64 + 3) 24.27 (24.17 + 1)
7.Marks Kiseļovs 26.32 (25.92 + 4) 24.58
8.Gints Ruperts 27.27 (26.77 + 5) 26.51 (26.01 + 5)
9.Guntars Gailītis 28.34 26.82 (26.72 + 1)
10.Edžus Konošonoks DQ 26.97 (26.77 + 2)
11.Juris Grundulis (junior) DQ 27.49 (27.09 + 4)
12.Lienīte Skaraine 33.62 (33.42 + 2) 29.81 (29.41 + 4) 28.38 (27.48 + 9)
13.Edijs Jermačenko (junior) 34. 95(34.15 + 8) 31.56 (31.16 + 5) 28.65 (27.75 + 9)
14.Egons Papirtis DQ 29.41 (29.21 + 2)
15.Andis Pelcmanis DQ 29.72 (28.92 + 8)
16.Aivars Kārkliņš (junior)DQ 31.15 (30.35 + 8)
17.Edgars Skuķis 31.84 (31.44 + 4) DQ
18.Eduards Vitmanis 55.79 (55.59 + 2) 51.76 (51.46 + 3)
19.Aksels Ruperts (junior) 57.35 (56.95 + 4) DQ
20.Jonas Petraukas (junior) DQ DQ
21.Ilze Mazure DQ DQ.
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Re: Stockholm documentation

Post by Pat Chewning » Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:42 am

Marcus Seyffarth wrote: Pat - Please let us know if the film is good enough documentation so that we know what to do when documenting the 100.
Good documentation. I like the course with every 10 cones a different color.

CONGRATULATIONS!

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Re: Stockholm documentation

Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:39 am

Thank you!

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and justice for all

Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:43 pm

Stockholm have been rain, rain, rain and then some rain. This saturday morning however we had a small break in the rain and the sthlm crew rushed out to try the 100. We did it at a new hill outside of stockholm and we did it at 170cm even spacing throughout the course.

We did have a small tailwind that we didn't really need, so we popped out the spacers used 66mm wheels and lost the speedrings to survive. The course could be a little more open and I believe we could do it with more confidence. Or we could also try and practice more often.

Anyways, two world records was set;
In the regular 100 open class Marcus Seyffarth got 18.82 + 4 cones = 19.22 (ironic this is the exact same time that the unofficial record I set two years ago.) In the Masters regular 100 class Fabian Björnstjerna got 19.49 + 9 cones = 20.39.

We ran 6 runs each and these are the full results:
Johan Thiel: 23.61+15 / 22.07+14 / 21.30+12 / 20.41+12 / DQ / 19.96+10
Marcus Seyffarth: 18.69+6 / 18.50+8 / DQ / 18.60+9 / DQ / 18.82+4
Fabian Björnstjerna: DQ / DQ / DQ / DQ / 19.49+9 / DQ
Hans Göthberg: DQ / DQ / DQ / DQ / DQ / DQ
Peter Klang: DNS
Antonio Saluena: DNS

The same beautiful unedited documentation as for the 50 could be found here.
http://www.ettsexett.com/gallery/mov/20 ... 0Cones.wmv

The run with me is my 18.60+9.

Thank you!

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Sthlm prizes

Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:49 pm

And we also had some really fine thropies for the record setters...

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Post by Toby Warg » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:14 pm

Sweet, Marcus! Congrats to both of you and Fabian!

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Re: and justice for all

Post by Jani Soderhall » Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:19 am

Marcus Seyffarth wrote:Anyways, two world records was set;
In the regular 100 open class Marcus Seyffarth got 18.82 + 4 cones = 19.22 (ironic this is the exact same time that the unofficial record I set two years ago.) In the Masters regular 100 class Fabian Björnstjerna got 19.49 + 9 cones = 20.39.
Yes, yes, yes - it's all back in order.
Marcus, world champion and now also world record holder!
Very cool!

Fabbe, congratulations too! That's a kind of hard to beat record in the master class.

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Post by Fabian Bjornstjerna » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:56 am

Thanks Jani :-)
intend to have a go at the real record as well ;-)

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So Cal WR Setting Event Results

Post by Maria Carrasco » Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:05 pm

Just checking in from Boston. Richy and I are in a hotel right by the legendary Fenway Park! What a great town! Next stop -- Antrim NH for the big race. Been on the road non-stop since the WR setting event but below is a copy of a previous post we did right after the weekend. Typical for So Cal in Sept. -- it was HOT -- probably near 100 F -- making an even greater challenge to race such long courses.
ISSA World Record Weekend Results from So Cal On 9/8/2008 Maria Carrasco wrote in from United States (207.200.nnn.nnn)

So Cal -- ISSA World Record Attempt Weekend
Sept. 6-7, 2008

Results:
Lynn Kramer -- Womans Division
50 cone: 13.04
100 cone: 22.43
Not only was this Lynn's fastest time, but it was also a clean run!!

Way to go Lynn -- AXE Army Salutes You!

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(Photo courtesty: Silverfishlongboarding.com)

Richy Carrasco hit 20.77 on the 100-cone course - his fastest adjusted time for consideration for the 45 and over Masters division. His best clean run time on this course was 22.01.

Brother Rene' gave it a good go and vows to be back next time.

Big Thanks to Malakai Kingston from Silverfish who braved the heat to shoot pics and helped with the course and timing at the finish line! Heiko and Anna from Germany showed up to sign autographs on their way to the beach. Chris Yandall, Chris Leach and Erik Von were there to root Lynn on to victory. I was on hand of course to document the 100-cone course on video and Erik Von shot the 50-cone.
Congrats to all the new World Record holders! See some of you in Antrim.

Cheers.

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So I guess the Weekend is over now

Post by Johan Thiel » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:51 pm

And thank you Pat for taking the initiative to this event. Never ever before where there that many skaters trying to set records all over the world. Cool. We had a lot of fun and doing the 100 cone was just incredible, the last 20 cones fees like a colored line rather than separate cones . Well any way I curious to see whether my team mate made it or not. Will there be any official world record announcements or list that will be publishes?
Congrats to all for efforts made to beat the records.

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Results from the UK.

Post by Martin Drayton » Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:47 pm

There are some record-worthy times posted today at the postponed Hyde Park session, which moved to Brighton, and I'll send them in tomorrow when I have all the details...

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Post by Pat Chewning » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:31 am

As soon as I get the Antrim official results and the results from Hyde Park (rain-delayed 2 weeks) then I will compile the results, write an article for the front web page, and send the framed certificates to the record-setters, and send the results to Guiness.

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Post by Glenn Corpes » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:15 pm

Delayed Hyde Park relocated to Hove results:

50 Cones:
Ian Cranfield (men) 12.3
Glenn Corpes (men) 14.51(5)
Jack Corpes (junior) 12.45
Mark Roberts (men) 15.63(1)

Cyber Dir1/Dir2
Mikey Corpes (junior) 17.22/14.77
Jack Corpes (junior) 10.59/9.455
Curt Halliday (men) 11.03/10.52
Paul Nolan (men) 11.5/11.03

Jack photo and video, not his fastest time though:
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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:16 am

Pat, I think its great that you got this idea and made it happen. Really!

However I think its getting a little bit weird when its turning from a world record weekend to a world record month. I understand if people would like to give it a go and there are no possibilities to do it earlier because of the weather, everybody should get a chance.

But when you start to include races like Antrim which was planned long time ago to happen two weeks after the real record weekend then its not ok. Also I think its not ok that any racer can participate in more than one try.

Don't get me wrong here, I think that any records set in Antrim (or any other race) should be recognized as records, its just that they should not be included in the "world record weekend" results, but rather be improvements of the records set during the "weekend".

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100 cone challenge

Post by Lynn Kramer » Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:05 am

Antrim was a Main race.
"6.1. WORLD RECORDS – AT SANCTIONED EVENTS
World record attempts may be made at any contest with PRIME or greater sanctioning, or
at contests of BASIC sanctioning if the sanction application specifically states that world
records will be attempted."
You shoulda been there. They had a parade and fireworks.
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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:03 am

Marcus Seyffarth wrote:Don't get me wrong here, I think that any records set in Antrim (or any other race) should be recognized as records, its just that they should not be included in the "world record weekend" results, but rather be improvements of the records set during the "weekend".
Sure I would have loved to be there! I tried to be clear above but I'll write it again.

What I was trying to say is that Antrim was a main race and is not part of the "world record weekend" which is another race (a prime) so why would you wait for the results from Antrim to be included into the "world record weekend" race? Its not like you wait for the world championships results before you announce the results from the nationals, or is this a new rule of the ISSA?

Lynn - did you break your record from the "world record weekend race" during the Antrim race? If so, great I think you should expect 2 world record certificates!

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Re: 100 cone challenge

Post by Donald Campbell » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:08 pm

Lynn Kramer wrote:
You shoulda been there. They had a parade and fireworks.

wow that's so cool!
great racing by the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by Jadranko Radovanovic » Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:43 pm

Pat,

I still think that the whole thing with the records is not thinked to the end.

Why is there a differenz between the 50 Cone Record (must be on flat) and the 100 Cone Record can be set the way you like ?

Why is it possible to hit Cones in the 100 Cone Record and just clean run's in the 50 Cone Record ?

Why do we make it not easy for spectators, racers and organisators ?

Why can't we just say he or she is the fastest men/woman arround 50/100 Cones ?


There are many elements in slalom which not works connected to each other. If we have this kind of World Records just in our Forums i see no problems. But going to the public with so many rules and records and without a strong body (ISSA) behind it, is in my view just false.

Before we go to the public, we have the chance to change many things for the sport. The priority should be to get the organisation ISSA running in a good way and to have goals what we want to reach in the next 5 year's. First thinking and than doing, not first doing and than thinking.

The motivation by a lot of organizers and lot of racers is not so big anymore. The time is now to get the corner, otherwise slalom is going there from where it came.

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Timing!

Post by Claude Regnier » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:17 pm

Marcus don't forget that the Antrim 100 world record event was announced months before the World record weekend.

The guy that rewrote the world records at Antrim was also the 1st guy that mentioned holding a world record weekend event but that did come later.

Guess you'll want to come to Antrim next year, EH!

J-rad, why so many types of questions? Can't you just have one question?

Most people don't read the rules. They only find out about them when something happens and a rule is brought up.
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Post by Jadranko Radovanovic » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:27 pm

Here one question instead of many:

Does the ISSA plans to have goals and a strategy how to go forward ?


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Re: Timing!

Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:28 pm

Claude Regnier wrote:Marcus don't forget that the Antrim 100 world record event was announced months before the World record weekend.
Well then its even more clear that it is 2 standalone event and that the results should not be put together. That's the only thing I'm trying to say.
Claude Regnier wrote:Guess you'll want to come to Antrim next year, EH!
I would like to go to every race, all the time. If I could just clone myself, then things would be much easier.

But first - 8 months of winter.

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Post by Jadranko Radovanovic » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:32 pm

Most people don't read the rules. They only find out about them when something happens and a rule is brought up.
That's the difficultness by setting up the rules. The rules should be made in a way we used it before we had it.

That's way most rules like the publication of the tie breaker event or the differenz between 100 Cones WR and 50 Cones WR makes no sense !

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Post by Lynn Kramer » Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:58 pm

Marcus, I agree with you that the World Record Weekend and the Antrim race are two different events.
Whether Richy broke the World Record on World Record Weekend or he broke it in Antrim, he still broke it, and it should still be submitted to Guinness as a record that was broken during an event.
Marcus, don't worry about the World Record Weekend. You are the winner. Good Job.
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Post by Claude Regnier » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:11 pm

J-Rad if you don't want rules then go do something else. I attended two fo your events. Flew all the way there for a flat race that never evn happened, even after it stopped raining.

The other fell a little short of what was promised (even if we the website was unreadable in english at the time) the 3rd course was never reset with the addition of cones).

I know that was not your duty but as the organizer you should have seen to it that it was done. Clean up your own stuff a bit will you.

We like to know what to expect and that is the primary reason several other people & I did what we did.

Showing up at a contest run by a non skater and having that person dictate a lowsy event just sucks plain and simple.

Different rules for different things also aplies and has it's usefulness.

Marcus sorry I didn't read the whole thing. Another race another pain somewhere. what can I say> Am I getting old or something?
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Re: World Records

Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:54 pm

Lynn Kramer wrote:Whether Richy broke the World Record on World Record Weekend or he broke it in Antrim, he still broke it
Nice! What time did he get?
Lynn Kramer wrote: and it should still be submitted to Guinness as a record that was broken during an event.
Absolutely!

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:33 pm

However then, we will set a new 50-cone reccord which is NOT on the flat because....

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Post by Jadranko Radovanovic » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:00 am

The number of competitors during our 10 races in the last 8 years show how true it is what you wrote claude.

The rules of the Over80Cones is, that every Round racers get out. 3 Round the best 16. You was 19 in the 2 Round. You can see it in the Results from 2007 and the same can be seen in the Results from 2006. That's how this competition is run. And it was announced in this way.

There will be arround 60 participants this year and they like to skate there with this rules, otherwise they wouldn't come.

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CONGRATULATIONS: WE beat every previous record!

Post by Pat Chewning » Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:04 am

Between the World Record Weekend and the Antrim race, every single ISSA record from the past was beaten in September 2008.

Congratulations to all of the racers.

I encourage everyone to double-check my entries into the following charts and notify me BY EMAIL if there are any errors, omissions, or corrections.

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/ISSA/ ... ecords.pdf

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/ISSA/ ... istory.pdf

Marcus Seyffarth 100-Cone w/cone penalty Men Open 19.22
Lynn Kramer 100-Cone w/cone penalty Women Open 22.43
Juris Grundulis 100-Cone w/cone penalty Men Jr 27.49
100-Cone w/cone penalty Women Jr
Fabian Bjornstjerna 100-Cone w/cone penalty Men Masters 20.39
Cat Young 100-Cone w/cone penalty Women Masters 28.34

Richy Carrasco 100-Cone clean Men Open 21.179
Lynn Kramer 100-Cone clean Women Open 22.43
100-Cone clean Men Jr
100-Cone clean Women Jr
Richy Carrasco 100-Cone clean Men Masters 21.179
Judi Oyama 100-Cone clean Women Masters 28.95

Marcus Seyffarth 50-Cone Men Open 9.93
Lynn Kramer 50-Cone Women Open 13.04
Jack Corpes 50-Cone Men Jr 12.45
50-Cone Women Jr
Fabian Bjornstjerna 50-Cone Men Masters 10.06
Judi Oyama 50-Cone Women Masters 13.81

Michael Dong 25-Cone NCDSA Cyberslalom Men Open 7.969
Lienite Skaraine 25-Cone NCDSA Cyberslalom Women Open 11.09
Jack Corpes 25-Cone NCDSA Cyberslalom Men Jr 9.437
25-Cone NCDSA Cyberslalom Women Jr
Jamie Hart 25-Cone NCDSA Cyberslalom Men Masters 12.27
Judi Oyama 25-Cone NCDSA Cyberslalom Women Masters 10.41

I will be printing up certificates of award for all record setters -- suitable for framing. I'll get them to you at the Dixie Cup, or by mail. I will need mail addresses for all of the racers who will not be at the Dixie Cup.

I congratulate all of the racers and hope everyone had a great time.

Once these are ratified by the ISSA board of directors as official, I will submit to Guiness Book of World Records.

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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:00 am

Thank you Pat! Great with the history PDF!

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Post by Martin Drayton » Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:16 pm

Congrats to everyone no matter when or where you broke records, it was a cool thing to happen globally. Not sure, but didn't the following go faster than Jamie Hart in the Master's cyber?

Jamie Hart 25-Cone NCDSA Cyberslalom Men Masters 12.27

John Ravitch Masters Men
Average 9.1

Mark “Weatherwitch” Roberts Masters men
Average 12.08 sec



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Post by Fabian Bjornstjerna » Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:31 pm

You mean you gonna get older faster than me ;-)

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Post by Judi Oyama » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:50 pm

Gary Holl
Run 1 8.75
Run 2 8.66
Average 8.71

This could be the fastest Master's Cyber 25 cone time. Sorry John Ravitch. Gary reminded me this morning that he was in the masters division now.

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Post by Jadranko Radovanovic » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:07 am

Zurich, Rennweg Sunday 28. September 2008.

Ramon Königshausen set the new 50 Cones World Record in front of hundreds of spectators. His time was 9.89 sec.



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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:59 pm

Congratulations Ramón! I really thougth it would be faster than that.

Since this is the "World weekend race" thread and "Over80cones" is another race I don't think this post below here. I created 3 threads, one separate for each category under the "2008 World records" topic. Perhaps we could start using them for submission of new records like this. Is it possible to move threads or posts?

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:13 pm

Thanks Marcus! Well...I ran 9.71 but with one cone down...Janis ran 9.50 with 4 cones down....

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Post by Pat Chewning » Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:27 am

I have updated the World Record spreadsheets to account for the new record from "80-cones" and to account for my blunders in tabulating all of the results as they poured in from around the world.

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/ISSA/ ... ecords.pdf

http://www.slalomskateboarder.com/ISSA/ ... istory.pdf

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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:32 am

Perhaps we should clarify that the 80 cones was not run on the flat before updating the PDF.

Personally I don't understand why the times was posted in the first place since both J-rad and Ramón knows that the 50 cones rules states that it should be run on flat and otherways run both ways.

Perhaps the rules of the 25 and 50 cone records should be changed so that it is mandatory to run it both ways.

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Post by Pat Chewning » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:39 pm

Marcus Seyffarth wrote:Perhaps we should clarify that the 80 cones was not run on the flat before updating the PDF.

Personally I don't understand why the times was posted in the first place since both J-rad and Ramón knows that the 50 cones rules states that it should be run on flat and otherways run both ways.

Perhaps the rules of the 25 and 50 cone records should be changed so that it is mandatory to run it both ways.
JRAD and RAMON: Was the course flat? (i.e. Racers would be willing to run in either direction)

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Post by Jadranko Radovanovic » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:43 pm

There is another rule which says the you have to meassure the wind. Does someone did this ?

As i wrote it before those rules were made, what the goal is of this rules. no one wanted to answer it. The World Record was for the Over80Cones the biggest attraction what the numbers of spectators showed. A World Record is somthing you can get alot of spectators and it is a thing which people let remember to the competition when they hear next time that there is a slalom skateboard competition. My goal for this competition was fullfilled and i would announce it in the same way the next year, even if i have to write the rules for others if they want to try it.

For me the 50 Cones WR shows the fastest men arround 50 Cones at the distanz of 1.60. We meassure it from the first to the last Cone. As there is no distanz where you have to start, i don't see a reason why there is a districiton on flat or a bit slope. I think the rules should be done in the way we can use it. And for our 21 juniors it was somthing they can dream about it now, until they are in the age they can do it as well.

Why not just let the distanz between the Cones 1.60 to regulate the steepnes instead of running it in both way's. The thing is that he run the 50 Cones in 9.89 seconds. Should we ask the 100 meter sprinter Bolt to run the 100 meters in both ways ? A record is a record, when it is not the ISSA record i will promot it as the Record of 50 Cones at 1.60 until someone run it faster.

At the same time i would ask what happened in Gothenburg, where some people practiced the courses for a long time and others for some day's and some had just two runs. Or in Latvia or Grenoble where the TIE BREAKER EVENT wasn't announced.

The question is should the WR count or not is for me a similiar question as should the WorldChampionchips results count or not.

I think the rules should be setted in the way we can play it. And the most important thing the rules should not be to complex as they are at the World Record, just see that there are differenzes between 100 und 50 Cones.

To answer the questions:
It was not flat as it wasn't in sweden when i look at the video. If you cancel the record than i think the results from gothenburg should be canceled as well. And the Overall Results from Latvia and the Overall Results from Grenoble. And in the end the results from the 50 Cones World Records because no one documented the wind meassuring.

The question is now: what is easier ?
... to cancel the results or to change some rules ?

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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:03 pm

Well if there are rules you have got to adhere to them or change them, you just can't start using your own rules while others stick to the existing. Period.

If you think that Worldchampionships, Latvia or Grenoble was not run in an appropriate manner, then start complaining about it in their respective threads it won't help to argue about them in the "world record event" thread. Personally I only attended the worlds and I was among those who had 2 runs and felt bad about it. For what I know there are no rule at the moment that states when the course should be set or if you can practice, its just that you don't do it.

I can only speak for the 50 cones set in Stockholm, and it was run on flat, it is a slight hill coming in from both directions and its flat in the middle. Next time we will run it both ways and we will be faster. Its a promise.

The 50 cone record will never be broken on the flat using a normal start ramp, you need to kick in or use a large (3m) ramp.

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Post by Richy Carrasco » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:37 pm

Yo , Pat hows about two catagories for 50 coner, Same measurement for acurate calculating, 1 Downhill pitch , 2 Flat....... Maybe just for this event only! .....

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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:59 am

so it would be
1: 50 cones @ 1.60 clean on flat
2: 50 cones @ 1.60 clean with pitch? Or should it be 50 cones "anyway you like it" just like it is with the 100?

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Post by Sj Kalliokoski » Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:18 pm

Qucik note from dark North :)
One fator to add small inaccuracy is also defined distance between cones. I mean just having 1cm per cone, that would mean ~50cm in total and having only 1cm per cone is quite tough target. So it easily mans like 0.1 sec converted to time. So why specify cone distance? And has someone tape measured how accurate total track length is ?
Another topic then is that is it required have so many different WR's, i mean 25, 1-2*50 and 2*50 cones? For slalomers it might make sense but for big public it can be confusing. This starts look like swimming ;)
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