Europe 2008 - Statuses and Championships

Peter Klang · Post by **Peter Klang** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:32 am

I know we are in the week of the Worlds 2007 in the US and A. However, if we want slalom to keep spreading, keep growing and keep getting better, like it has over the last 5 years, we have to start planning for next years races NOW. In 2008 Europe is the host of two big Championships, the European Championship and the World Championship.

What do we know and what should we know

- Stockholm, Indoor world Championship, February 23 (Prime candidate).
- Hull, England, Feb 3 (Prime candidate)
- Paris, May 10-12 (Main candidate)
- Hannover, June 4-6 ???
- Riga, July 4-6 (Main candidate)
- Brixlegg, Before or after WC (status Don?)
- Göteborg - Worlds 2008 candidate, 1-3 August.
- Czech republic, August-September ??? (Prime/Main?)
- Zurich, 80 cones or maybe the Euros in September ???
- Gruningen Date ? (Main candidate)
- Grenoble, September 13-14 (Main candidate)

FINAL
- Hull, England, Feb 3 Prime

No time to wait, start planning and let the world know what’s up

Yours fastest
PK

(Peter, I'm updating it now and then too. /Jani)

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:46 am

hannover is gone dete told me its unlikely to happen again
brixlegg will be invitational only
germany(düsseldorf/cologne) might have a big thing coming next year, but this is very fresh ground at the moment.
we are working on realizing this event and also want to apply for Euros then.
i am open to suggestions regarding the timeframe of this event.

also i want to organize a cup series which has at least 4 races in that series in order to crown a cup winner at the end of the season. i want to work with existing races and bind those into the series. thoughts ......
input?
anybody?

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:48 pm

We don't want a Status until the ISSA get's organised.
I want to voluntere for this project.

I hope Grueningen will be organised next year by the next generation of youth skaters here.
Date not shure yet. Will know it in the next one - two months.

Over 80 Cones will be a fun race again. Perhaps with a 100 Cone challange.

We are looking for a race in April at the lake murten. There is the slow up (car free day). So we can get a nice street in the center with a big crowd. It will be somthing similiar the Over80Cones. More locations to be clearyfied.

Another thing by side. I got a phone call 3 day's before the Over80Cones. It was a guy at the other end which takes the time keeping for the Swiss FIS races. He told me that he has 5 professional timekeeping systems with diffrent displays, speed measuring and so on. He was disapointed last year at the over80cones, that we hadn't displays for the audience. For next year he sponsor the timekeeping for the Over80Cones, inclusive, speed measuring, small and big display's.

If there is interest from other competition to have a professional timingsystem let me know. I will go with him in contact in the next few weeks to look what we can realize with his systems.

We rent this year two Canon XLs Digital Cameras to film the over80cones. The quality of the video and audio is awsome. Will show you the clip as soon Michael Brönimann finished it. With a good concept (we didn't have this year) it's possible to make professional material for the media by our selves and give them the oportunity to use (internet download) it for free. That means low cost for a channel to bring a production to the tv.
I can rent these Cameras for 25 swiss francs a day.
Full HD Cameras for 30 swiss francs a day.

If interest let me know.

/J-Rad

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:59 am

i do see a problem coming up:
the demise of the races
not enough contestants
old venues
we need to change a few things here and there to create more attention.
any thoughts?
who else has the same feeling about this season in particular?

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:07 am

I agree with Donald

Even if some of our well-known race locations are great, it's a bit boring to go always to the same places!
(aren't you bored of Paris? ... hum OK Paris is magic! LOL - but it's a real a question for us too)

Most of races are where slalom skaters are or have facilities to organize something.
But where are not many and the scene is concentrated in only a few points... so what to do?
Some of this places are good and it would be a shame not to continue there.

What about new races in Italy and Swiss?
Perhaps my fault but I've still never been in UK to race.
If I could talk spanish I would probably move in Spain but you'll have to wait for that!

To organize big contests is great. But skaters shouldn't focus only on that and their "international career" (interesting perhaps 1000 people MAX, not much more!!!)
local and national development should be something the ISSA should encourage too!
Slalom is a tiny scene, and for the moment I can't feel it's growing much!

I'm going off topic, just one more tool: shouldn't we have a list (online) of active clubs and crews and another one with shops/distributors where you can fin slalom related stuff.

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:13 pm

some good points made here.
uk,amsterdam,germany
that's what needs to happen next year on new contests.
also sweden has a huge potential

Peter Klang · Post by **Peter Klang** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:40 pm

Well Michael is doing it in Ingland feb 3th 08, lets give it all the support it can handle.

YFPK

Flavio Badenes · Post by **Flavio Badenes** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:08 pm

Donald Campbell wrote:some good points made here.
uk,amsterdam,germany
that's what needs to happen next year on new contests.
also sweden has a huge potential

We are already at work in Amsterdam. I think that the G.O.G contest will be a good opportunity to talk about the contests and how we can interact and work together. I think we have a better chance with the sponsors if we offer a european package instead of simple local events. As a group we are much stronger. It is a matter of getting organized, well organized.

Pelle Gustafsson · Post by **Pelle Gustafsson** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:45 pm

I think it's important that all of us make some more people going in to slalom skateboarding to make it live longer! and moore people means more selling for manufacturers and maybe bigger events?

Michel Dupont · Post by **Michel Dupont** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:41 pm

Do we have a date for stockholm indoor? First or second half of february?

Peter Klang · Post by **Peter Klang** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:52 pm

Well, we do not want to clash with michaels race in Ingland, so if Hull is the 3th expect Stockholm to be 24-25. We will let you all know asp as Mr Stride knows if the 3rd is on.

yours fastest
PK

Gints Gailitis · Post by **Gints Gailitis** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:09 pm

Latvia is planning to organize its biggest competition in 4-6 July .

At the moment we are looking for supporters - city councils, skate and beer companies!

Pelle Gustafsson · Post by **Pelle Gustafsson** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:11 pm

cant wait to go there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:15 pm

Sorry Peter,

i was too fast with my decision about Grueningen, there are people here who want the Main-Status back ! (We will take the one from Paris or Grenoble)

What you can expact:

- Professional Timing System by a official FIS time keeper with displays and speed measuring.

The same location as ever ! Fast technical Special-Tight-Slalom, A hybrid Slalom and a 100 Cone World Record challenge.

It won't be in June !

J-Rad

Peter Klang · Post by **Peter Klang** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:50 pm

Great J-Rad I put it in the list above

Riccardo Roma · Post by **Riccardo Roma** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:12 am

After the wonderful race organization experience of this year, Italy will surely accommodate a prime event in 2008. We are working in order to choose the host city and the appropriate weekend of race, naturally in the north-west of country (Turin, Bardonecchia, Sestriere).
All the best Riccardo
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Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:13 am

peter
brixlegg will be invitational only,actually that's gonna be a very competitive eventtt going back to back with sweden.as i see it sweden is gonna host the worlds,right?
main

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:29 am

be careful not to accumulate big contests in the same periods (it is one of the ranking system recommendations)
Look this year (2007) three mains in 4 weeks: Paris, Hannover, Gothenburg (+ Amsterdam prime)
it was not so cool for people that cannot take much holidays. We were many pissed off because we needed at least 4/5 days to attend Gothenburg and it was not possible for us.. probably a reason why not so many people were there!

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:29 am

Vincent, I agree.

So you take over my BOD position in the 3-man strong European Marshall group to handle the statuses for 2008? Am I right? These 3 person will decide in the end. With input from everybody of course but still...

Michel Dupont · Post by **Michel Dupont** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:15 pm

Has Stockholm Indoor been definitively fixed for February 23-24 (saturday and sunday) or is it 24-25 (sunday and monday)?
Raynair tickets to Stockholm are super, super cheap at the moment, but since this is school vacation period in France, we suspect the prices will rise soon, so pleas let us know ASAP if you have fixed the date.
Where in Stockholm will the competition take place? Near to "tunnelbanan"?

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:27 am

Hans Koraeus wrote:Vincent, I agree.
So you take over my BOD position in the 3-man strong European Marshall group to handle the statuses for 2008? Am I right? These 3 person will decide in the end. With input from everybody of course but still...

I've been silently enough so other people took finally the sit... sorry too much work at that time and I delayed my reply.
Anyway I prefer that people who really think they have time to do that have the job, what I'm not sure concerning myself.
I was also thinking that even if I would have try to be the more neutral and independent as I could, some people would probably have feared that I'm too involved in some events organization or with some people

So perhaps we'll have to think about the way we'll choose European Marshall
and most of everything, the choices will have to be really transparent

Jani Soderhall · Post by **Jani Soderhall** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:22 pm

Michel Dupont wrote:Has Stockholm Indoor been definitively fixed for February 23-24 (saturday and sunday) or is it 24-25 (sunday and monday)?

Last time I heard about it was just a project, no firm plans yet. Hunt Klang for an answer.

/Jani

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:31 am

Announcement:

"Cadwell Park , Lincolnshire, UK, Sunday 3rd February 2008"

was sanctionned to receive a

Prime Status.

We think that for terms of geographical distribution, England is a good choice to spread the European events even more, it's a new area to most of us. So feel free to start the season with dicovering parts of England.
Michael Stride will feed you with all the needed information about travelling, accommodation, schedule etc.

Repesenting the European Status Marshalls:
Ramón Königshausen

rmn

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:33 pm

Ramón Königshausen wrote:Announcement:

"Cadwell Park , Lincolnshire, UK, Sunday 3rd February 2008"

was sanctionned to receive a

Prime Status.

We think that for terms of geographical distribution, England is a good choice to spread the European events even more, it's a new area to most of us. So feel free to start the season with dicovering parts of England.
Michael Stride will feed you with all the needed information about travelling, accommodation, schedule etc.

Repesenting the European Status Marshalls:
Ramón Königshausen

rmn

don't forget to post the application form in
ISSA Contest Sanction Discussion -> 2008 ISSA Sanctions Granted
(the application form have to be post as soon as received somewhere else perhaps too?)

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:07 pm

Yes, but according to the "Sanctioning Process" discribed in this document it's up to the Contest Director to publish the sanction.

To be honest, this is just a formality and I think we/I shouldn't stick too much to it, should we/I?

rmn

Jani Soderhall · Post by **Jani Soderhall** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:32 pm

Grenoble has been moved forward one weekend to September 13-14, 2008. I just realized that it has not been announced. Possibly also on the Friday (for a big size GS).

I have updated the calendar above to take into account this change of dates.

/Jani

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:45 pm

as soon as grueningen gets a main status we will all know that the clock runs backward.
sorry jadranko,but main status contests shouldn't be held in a side lane next to a fire department which is located in a small village with absolutely no touristic highlight to make this place known to the world.
i really try to see your take on the whole deal,but you don't see it global,you see it very local to say so.

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:54 am

Donald, personaly i don't care what happens.

If it is main there will be a competition if it isn't there won't be a competition. It's very easy.

We are working for the Over80Cones and this competition don't need a status (just one day), but we will have display's, speed meassuring and so on. We plan a 100 Cone World Record in front of thousends of people.

I don't think that there is a need of a global view as long there is no money in the sport.

It starts with the youth! As long as there aren't small competition four youngsters there will never be realy big competitions.

How many spectators had the worlds 2007 or the worlds 2006 ?

I think i'm okay with my small view, there are other people out for the golobal view. I don't need to be one of them.

/J-Rad

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:28 pm

Jadranko Radovanovic wrote:Donald, personaly i don't care what happens.

If it is main there will be a competition if it isn't there won't be a competition. It's very easy.

This sounds kind of like a strong demand or threat to me. "Whether you give us the Status or there won't happen any event at all."

If you just moved the whole event to Zürich's China-Meadow or to Zug's Riviera (both pretty flat) we'd have plenty of specators. I just don't understand why you are trying to put up an event there again after it had almost "failed" 2006. Sorry but that was of some kind of a bummer back there. People have seen the location, people are done with the location. It worked for the past 5 years maybe but things change and so do people.

sincerely,
rmn

Steve Hinzen · Post by **Steve Hinzen** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:54 pm

Jadranko:

If it is main there will be a competition if it isn't there won't be a competition. It's very easy.

Jadranko:

It starts with the youth! As long as there aren't small competition four youngsters there will never be realy big competitions.

= contradiction!

Jadranko, if You really want to support your local young friends you better DO the race, ISSA-status or not.
Give racers from outside a good reason (whatever that might be) to come to your race, so your young fellows don't have to race alone.
And please remember what Ramon wrote: times have changed!

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:15 pm

I don't have a problem if there isn't a race in Grueningen. If it's done, than it needn't to happen.

It's not about Controversal, the youngsters will be needed if slalom don't want to die.

organise an event with prime status, you won't have enough racers for Pro / Am categorie.
It is how it is.

No. of mains are setted. no one knows what exactly the criteria is how to get a main status.

You fullfilled the criteria, you get the status. That is the deal and you know what the vision is of high level racing is. Now it is different from race to race, one race with spectators other without. Some have timing with display, some haven't asn.

Big Events is the word. But how is a big race described ? Does it know someone ?

Criterias are needed like those of the TTR Snowboard Tour. Otherwise the desicions are ever intuitive.

It is legitimate if an organizer don't want to organize an event if he isn't happy with the conditions. Everyone should feel free to organise an event and every one should feel free to don't do it.

We are just a few here on the Forum, there are a lot more who don't type here who have an opinion as well. A say it again: As long as there is no Vision of Slalom Races which is described with criterias, there is no legitimate to say what is and what isn't.

/J-Rad

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:59 am

working with the youth is a good thing and you should continue your efforts doing so.
applying for main status with a venue that has only one side lane as a contest field for a 2 day contest is not ok anymore.let's leave aside that grueni is located in nowhereland.the races here and across the pond clearly showed that gs for example needs the right tracks.i would in this case also say that paris has no gs track at all just to clarify things.getting a main these days should be way harder than it was before.just compare what gothenburg had as a status this year and compare it to your race,then you question yourself if those races are equal in quality of venue,promotion,etc...
this is just an example,so no misunderstandings here.
as the years passed by some locations became uninteresting.
for me and steve grueningen was a nightmare.we were both glad when we left.
i can only speak for the 2 of us,but maybe a lot of riders had the same feeling travelling to a remote village in the further outskirts of zürich.

it's time to move on and get attractive venues.
a digital display won't change the situation in grueningen
also good time keeping won't do that either.

and just to make sure i'll repeat myself and what steve said before:you don't need a high status if you want to grow your scene.

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:27 am

Spring 06 you organized the #1 of Swiss Slalom Series in Grüningen. A lot of people raced there. It had, as far as I remember only Prime or even Basic Status but still I found that competition a lot better than the one in summer witch had a higher status.

We also had a lot of junior competitors. It was a very good event even though it didn't have a high status. I don't see what the problem is if you'd get Prime. Michael Stride was applying for Main too but in the end was pretty contented and looking forward to putting up a great Prime Race.

I don't get your point. Realitiy has shown that it also works well without a Main Status. Just compare to Policka, Hannover 05, SSS 06, the GOG Races they all were fine without a high status.

rmn

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:27 am

The vision is to have a GS hill at a venue for big events ?

We didn't clear yet what a big event is.
So, what are the criterias for a big event ?

What is the differnece between a small and a big event ?

- We use the same timing systems.
- We make the same mistaks in running the event.
- It is the same racing.
- The Racer level is mostly the same.
- You run qualifications and than H2H.
- No one is able to bring informations to the spectators except over the loud speakers.
- Some small races have websites some big haven't.
- Some pay cash out, what concerns just to a group of ca. 10 racers.
- Some pay 100$ just to skate 6 times down a Ramp.

So, what is important for the racers ?
Price money ? The venue which is hundreds of kilometers away ? The spectators ?

Here is a list which shows the growing of Swiss participants at Slalom Events in Europe. 2/3 less participants since 2004.

2007 / 2006 / 2005 / 2004
Policka 2
Jurmala 0 / 3 / 1 / 2
Köln 14
Stockholm 8
Hannover 6 /12 / 7
Göthenburg 3
Paris 7 / 14 / 21 / 18
Monaco Cone 14
Brixlegg 10
Grenoble / Antibes 12 /13 /11 /15
Grueningen 0 /28 /40 /43

Total: 30 /80 /88 /106

/J-Rad

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:54 am

the sad thing about this discussion and others from the past is that you always try to make things look good your way and you only follow your very own vision of what's good and what's not.
each time you come with a different counterargument and you slowly walk away from the origin of the discussion,winding like a snake.
it will always be like that,so let's end this right here and now.
bear in mind that not everybody supports your way of thinking.

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:20 pm

It's not making it looking good in my way. As i sayed it before, for me every decision is okay. But when making a decision it will be okay as well to have it transparent.

It depends from which side you see somthing. Every thing has different interpretations, that's human.

The discussion is the same as 5 posts before.

You three say the venue is out. So, there is no need to discuss about the Grueningen race.
I asked for the Vision, how a big race should look like ? No answer on that last year and no answer on that this year.

The venue is just one element of the whole competition. There are points as entry fee, price money, accomodation and so on.

What you guy's make is to concentrate just on one of this elements. How can you meassure if the venue is out or not ? You have to ask the racers. The problem is, that this data is not available yet. I put it in another discussion how it can be done to get this information.

The competition participants is an given data by slalomranking.com. The racer competed or the racer didn't compete. You can compare it with the years before.
There is place for interpretation even here.

I didn't say the swiss participations is less because Grueningen lost the main status. I don't make the things look good in my way. That are objective data which need to be taken in account.

The discussion is not about personal decission of an individual.
The discussion is what the Vision of Slalom Skateboard Racing is.

It started with the statement:

If it is main there will be a competition if it isn't there won't be a competition. It's very easy.

It is a personal decission and it needn't to be commented by anyone.

I sayed in what condition i want to make a race. If i will get it or not is not my decission. In which conditions i want to do it, it's my decission.

Every competition which isn't held will take the no. of participants down. Perhaps that isn't bad, perhaps it is. It depends again on your approach. Numbers can help you to make decissions, or you can let tehm beside and make an intuitive decission. The ISSA wants to grow. It's in their interest to have a big or a small no. of participants.

I have my vision and i pointed it out with the ESRT. I asked the organizers what they think. Some agreed with the idea, some didn't gave an answer. The system i proposed worked well the last years in Snowboarding and it's easy and understandable for all.

The discussion here is about the system and not about any persons or competitions. Without criterias there is no transparent.

If there is, than please explain it to me that i can get it as well.

J-Rad

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:34 pm

Can you explain why it turned out a decrease of Swiss participants?

I mean I travelled to most of the events this year and I never race on a side lane in an industrial quarter.

Let me tell you one particular criteria that is used for sanctioning an event:

It's the expected participation. If there can't be expected enough compeditiors entering an event, it can't be sanctioned with a high status. That's the harsh reality, sorry.
We might as well put up a poll to find out if people were to enter Grüningen again or not.
But believe me, there are a good number of people out there who are expecting Switzerland to come up with a new venue and they would instantly book their flights and come over here if "we" did so.

I'm afraid I would have liked to put up a nice event on totally new venue but since this is my last year of grammar school I just don't have the time for all the planning and stuff.

Question: Why don't you want to move?

EDIT:

Jadranko Radovanovic wrote:You have to ask the racers.

Do so. If you win the crowd you'll get the status pretty soon. It shall be democracy.*

Option (as mentioned above): Move and it'll be all good.

It's in the people's heads. They identify Grüningen with something happening on a side lane in a remote town of Zurich.

I know as well as you know that there are plenty of attractive venues in Zürich and it's suburbs.

Jadranko Radovanovic wrote: It started with the statement:
If it is main there will be a competition if it isn't there won't be a competition. It's very easy.
It is a personal decission and it needn't to be commented by anyone.

I sayed in what condition i want to make a race. If i will get it or not is not my decission. In which conditions i want to do it, it's my decission.

Sorry J-Rad, but that's just pretty stubborn. What is it that makes you refuse to find a compromise?

rmn

*speaking of pro racers here

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:47 pm

Can you explain why it turned out a decrease of Swiss participants?

I just can interprate, i can't explain. It will be needed to ask the racers himself.

There were between 80 and 92 racers in Grueningen 2003 / 2004 / 2005 when we had a main status.

As an example, this was a main last weekend.

We don't get a benefit if we talk about events what they had or hadn't.
The discussion should be in the principle way.

So, we have the first criteria "expected participation" The next question is what are the nuances for which status.

It can look somthing like that:

Organisation
On-site Signage / directions
Race disziplines
Release of a general Programm
Release of a rider's Programm
Basic information about the Organisation
Format Guidlines
Implementation of rules and guidlines
Communication
ISSA Press Release in Press Pack
ISSA Logo & Link on Event-Website
Communication Plan
Prizemoney
Minimum Total Purse (in EUR)
Purse breakdown
Contest Website
ISSA Logo & Link on Homepage
ISSA Top 5 Ranking
ISSA Explaination on Website
Rider Hospitality
Info about acommodation for rider's
Secure riderzone on site
Catering on Site (food & drink)
Riding Infrastructure
Location Plan
Disziplines & Format
Starting Ramp
Audio System with Speaker
Medical Service
Timingsystem
Riders
Last year riders level (8 of best 20 in the ranking)
Expected Riders
8 of best 20 in the ranking
6 of best 20 in the ranking
Audience
Large
Medium
small

It will need descriptions for all points what is meant.

In this case you have a Vision how the races should be and it is absolutly transparent for all people involved.

Perhaps there will be a need to change the rules of slalomranking.com. If you fullfille the criteria you get the status. There won't be a limit of Statuses, the system limmited it self with the criterias. Have a look on TTR Snowboard Tour, it's easy and it works.

Why don't you want to move?

Moving means more time to organise and prepair. The time i don't have.

/J-Rad

Jim Weatherwax · Post by **Jim Weatherwax** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:45 am

J Rad

I am sensing from the bs you seem to project onto these forums that you may have a brother, possibly a twin in Canada...
Is your last name Watson?

Find an real venue for a race, then go for a main status, stop making promises that will fall apart less than 1 month from the true race date...

I see the frustrations of the others involved trying to explain to you the faults of your ways when it comes to european races.

come on..a side street? why not just hold the race on an uphill coming out of a basement or dungeon somewhere, you may get more coverage that way:)

slalom needs to be on really big hills, or really popular public places if its going to grow....

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:19 am

Jim, who knows, perhaps there is a twin in Canada ?

I see the frustrations of the others involved trying to explain to you the faults of your ways when it comes to european races.

If i get the summary, than it is:

big hill somwhere outside without spectators. Is it that ?

Find an real venue for a race, then go for a main status, stop making promises that will fall apart less than 1 month from the true race date...

This statement is truely bs.
It say's less than nothing.

/J-Rad

Jim Weatherwax · Post by **Jim Weatherwax** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:40 pm

J Rad

for clarification
The picture of the COSS open you are refering to...that was taken before the ramps were even set up...it was well before anybody (including 1/2 the racers) showed up

I think that hill would probably make you manhood shrivel.
It was the fastest TS raced this season...and a screeming fast Hybrid that was a blast to race.

the venue, courses and racing was well wothy of its status.
Several families with children showed up to watch, as the event was in local newspapers before it happened. People came and left stoked on a new aspect of skateboaring they havent seen before... Spectators left with stoke, and info about getting equipment and getting involved...

A success for sure.
Come to Colorado sometime, and see how its done here..you will leave impressed

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:43 pm

I belive it that it is a impressive event.

A big hill shows the speed of the racer over a distanz. A slope shows the speed of the racer in frequency direction changes of his body.

Both are Slalom and both are impressive in their owen way.

As it was mentioned from some people before they say that a big Event should be on a big hill. Does it mean the variant "frequency" is out ?

If i'm looking from outside, does it mean The Vision of Slalom Races is to show the spectators the speed and the control of your body on a skateboard ?

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:14 pm

jadranko
one thing we don't have to argue about is the tendency of moving races towards bigger hills.
speed is the key and it is attractive for spectators.this tendency is becoming more and more visible especially during this season.if you ask top riders they will all tell you"yes,make it fast".

as a matter of fact you were not present at so many races,neither did you have good contact with the top racers involved to get or understand that info.
it is true,people are walking away from certain venues and moving on towards something else.

Joachim Leonhardt · Post by **Joachim Leonhardt** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:54 pm

... just wondering, just for the record.

you can see a crowd of spectatorsssss (just an outlaw race....)

and here you see speeeedddddd........... (Brixlegg GS)

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:22 pm

The idea with the statuses is not just to confirm to a specific set of points. It is to have the most promising events each year having the best statuses. You can't compare an event between regions beacuse they set their own standards from the condition of their own slalom scene in their respective regions.

Also there are other things to take into account like you want to spread the events over the season. And you would like to spread them geographically over the region. These are no laws but something tha weighs in.

To help comparing events and help event organizers to present their events we did a list some years back to be able to compare certain points.

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 1. Prize money 
 2. Organisation 
    (experience, race responsable, No of persons in organization) 
 3. Location 
    (sourroundings, big city, countryside, wood, park, inside) 
 4. Accommodation (cheap, helping out with reservations) 
 5. Communication/media (TV, papers, magazines, web sites) 
 6. Racers 
    (last year level, coming from far away/long distance, other regions) 
 7. History (What edition?, First one?, General skate history) 
 8. Large audience (chance to get a big crowd?) 
 9. Race quality 
    (Surface, hill/flat, width, length, startramps, food/beverage, 
    shops, Discipline#, days#) 
10. Added animation/happenings 
    (Other events than slalom, demos, shows, parties) 
11. Dates 
    (It's good if Main/Major statuses are spread over the season 
    and that they don’t collide with other Main/Major statuses in 
    other regions.

Then it was an open discussion and so it may be now as well. But in the end someone has to decide. Before it was the World Ranking administrator. Now there are two Ranking marshall groups doing the final descisions.

See it as a competition between organizers as well as between racers.

Peter Klang · Post by **Peter Klang** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:56 pm

Hello everyone,
Not to sound rude, but this topic is not for status discussion, it’s only to post an event and asking for status. If you want to discuss anything regarding any event, don’t do it here.

For the 2008 season we have one candidate for the World and none for the Euros. If you want to apply for any status higher then Prime do so NOW before dec 31 2007, after that date it will be far more difficult to fit in your request.

So far has only Cadwell Park and Gothenburg done it’s job.

Do you plan events early in the season, like Paris, better apply now. Other ways you will not make the 4 month pre announcement date.

From the calendar on top I can see one period with greater chance of high status if the event lives up to the criteria’s. June is wide open.

Yours Fastest
PK

Jani Soderhall · Post by **Jani Soderhall** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:26 pm

Peter Klang wrote:Do you plan events early in the season, like Paris, better apply now. Otherwise you will not make the 4 month pre announcement date.

I will make sure the French National Association (JS or in the worst case myself) posts applications for both Paris and Grenoble.

/Jani

Peter Klang · Post by **Peter Klang** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:13 pm

Tack jani, tur att fransoserna har dig

Michel Dupont · Post by **Michel Dupont** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:52 am

A little message for Peter Klang concerning Stockholm Indoor in February :

Last time I heard about it was just a project, no firm plans yet. Hunt Klang for an answer.

/Jani

So how about, anything decided yet?

Hope you're as fast as always (och inte som fransonerna).

Peter Klang · Post by **Peter Klang** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:49 pm

The World Indoor Championships will tale place on February 23. It’s a provocation to somebody but will be a fun race in a garage (not Euro 05, Cyber garage) with Straight and Special slalom. It is not even close to what you can expect in Gothenburg but a great way of keeping your competitive edge.

Sign up by e-mail theworldindoorslalomskateboardworldchampionship2007@ettsexett.com

Sign up before February 17th, or you will not race, simple.

Start fee 100 SEK, Pay at race.

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Sanctionning for Cadwell

Re: Sanctionning for Cadwell

Does it have to happen on your front porch?

spectators and speed