John, Wesley,
I forgot to thank you for the cool history reports. Maybe we should have an entire subforum dedicated to slalom history. There's tons of cool stories out there and I'm sure most of us would like to hear more.
/Jani
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Re: ISSA it's role then - It's role Now
John,John Gilmour wrote:So to start- I think trying to resurrect a group of advanced level slalomers from different countries to define the sport of slalom is a good idea. I don't think they should all be "Old guard slalomers" I would for instance be very happy to see an accomplished newbie give his thoughts as they are freshest- the name that comes to mind is Jason Mitchell for the USA. I am sure there are European counterparts like Jason.
Having representatives from Each country with a equal vote is good. I think that the proposals to amend slalom's format should be equally considered no matter how small the country's slalom base that recommends the change. I do think that slalom enjoyment for the MAJORITY of slalomers in EACH SKILL CLASS LEVEL should be considered strongly before enacting a change.
To me it seemed inappropriate to have a voting system where each country would get equal votes with todays situation. I also think it would be different to find a single (or even two or three) representative(s) per country today. It wasn't easy before either, but in more than a few cases there were people with positions within their country organizations ready to participate in the ISSA. These were often people doing events in their own countries and sometimes that were also top skaters.
Today we need to come up with a new system to replace the country representatives. My suggestion to make the new ISSA more democratic was to give anyoine and everyone a chance to vote. However making the system completely open would make it too easy for those who would like to influence the system in an unfair way. I've also seen on this forum that completely open votes often do not attract very many responses. But of course, we haven't tried to vote on anything really important here at the site yet. Setting a price tag on a vote seemed appropriate. At first I thought of it as "shares" as on the stock market, but in realily it's just membership as in any association.
It is now time to build up the group we need to best represent todays slalom community. Gone is the old ISSA, gone is the America vs Europe, gone is the east coast, west coast "wars". That's all behind us. We've done that. We know the story, we know each others. Time to be creative and constructive.
John, over the years you've had plenty of ideas on how to grow the slalom community. Let's bring a few of them out and let's give it a try. This community is dedicated enough to care, to discuss, act and even sponsor the appropriate actions. The most important target being further growth of this sport. If we can do so, it means we can keep the momentum going and keep on having fun racing each others on different continents!
The challenge will be to generate a steady flow of newbies, new races, new products and new challenges exactly the way we've seen it happening since that first Morro Bay race four years ago.
Post you ideas in separate threads, whereever appropriate, and we can start working on one at a time.
/Jani
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Well, since you asked.
It's not fair to say "most" races. It's more accurate to say "ALL" races back in the day fell into two categories: skate park contests and local festival contests. The park contests were usually events promoted, organized and ran by the skate park staff. The "festival" events were usually run by local non-profit groups trying to do something interesting for the sake of doing something interesting. My race that I held in Summerville during the Flowertown Festival was supported by the local Sertoma Men's Club. The race down in Beaufort, SC at the Water Festival was organized by the Kiwanis Club. Another race I attended was in Columbia SC during during some festival and I do remember the volunteers being members of the local Shrine Temple.
Coincidentally, it sounds like Jack Smith just had one of these kinds of races in conjunction with some doings in Santa Barbara. Trust me when I say I'm not bragging when I say I have yet to race in the 21st Century in front of a crowd that begins to equal in any way what we used to see 25 years ago. At the Flowertown Festival here in Summerville our race track was in the middle of an arts and crafts festival that annually attracts 300,000 people over the course of the weekend. We probably had 3,000 spectators lining the street during the course of the afternoon. The same is true of the Water Festival in Beaufort.
These were all fun and I think the oldest person I ever saw race was maybe 20 or 21. NO ADULTS back in those days.
The park contests were almost ways a TREMENDOUS DISAPPOINTMENT to anyone who was serious about slalom. Usually someone would set up 10 or 15 straight cones in the bottom of a bowl/bank run and you'd come off a bank into the course and scorch it for a time. I don't think there was ever a race in a park that had enough room for dual racing.
The festival races were just the opposite. It was always dual, always in the street and usually some easy hybrid-style course. The drawback was we never had a timing system! We'd usually just have one of the Shriners or Sertomans stand at the finish line and declare a winner. This wasn't that much of a challenge because as I recall the racing was no where as close as it is today.
As far as rules are concerned, believe it or not we had a sanctioning body that issued a rule book. The United States Amateur Skateboarding Association was an effort to organize not only slalom, but also freestyle and park riding contests. If I remember it cost $10 to join. The USASA was the reason, though, we tolerated all that lousy stuff at the skateboard parks. Just like today's America's Cup, the USASA had overall champions at the end of the year. So you attended as many events as possible to get as many points as you could. So for every decent street race there were probably three races at some lousy concrete park in Bugtustle run by guys who could care less about slalom. But points were points and you took 'em where you could get 'em. They had medals for prizes that were awarded for the first three places. I still have two of mine:
Yes, one is a silver and the other gold. I still remember "winning" that damned silver medal. It was in Beaufort in the summer of '78 and I was so pissed I never said a word all the way home (an 80 mile drive.) I was ripping that day on my Summer Ski and had cruised all the way to the finals. I remember the kid I was racing against was a Marine brat from the Beaufort MCAS and he was riding Bob Skoldberg's signature Hobie. What I learned that day, though, is that "nylon lock nuts" don't always pass muster. My damned wheel fell off in the finals! It was a long time after that before I ever rode a Tracker again. I think, though, over the course of three summers ('77, '78 and '79,) I won 10 gold and the one silver. (Somewhere there is a box full of my trophies and medals from '76-'80. All I can find are four or five I've always had with me since College. Beats me where the rest ended up.)
Anyway, the rules were what you'd expect with the only exception being we never calculated times or cone penalties. The rule was simply "10% + 1 equals a dq." Of course, missing a cone or going out of the course was also a DQ. A 30-cone course had a four-cone DQ, 35 cones would be five. First one to the finish line wins.
It's not fair to say "most" races. It's more accurate to say "ALL" races back in the day fell into two categories: skate park contests and local festival contests. The park contests were usually events promoted, organized and ran by the skate park staff. The "festival" events were usually run by local non-profit groups trying to do something interesting for the sake of doing something interesting. My race that I held in Summerville during the Flowertown Festival was supported by the local Sertoma Men's Club. The race down in Beaufort, SC at the Water Festival was organized by the Kiwanis Club. Another race I attended was in Columbia SC during during some festival and I do remember the volunteers being members of the local Shrine Temple.
Coincidentally, it sounds like Jack Smith just had one of these kinds of races in conjunction with some doings in Santa Barbara. Trust me when I say I'm not bragging when I say I have yet to race in the 21st Century in front of a crowd that begins to equal in any way what we used to see 25 years ago. At the Flowertown Festival here in Summerville our race track was in the middle of an arts and crafts festival that annually attracts 300,000 people over the course of the weekend. We probably had 3,000 spectators lining the street during the course of the afternoon. The same is true of the Water Festival in Beaufort.
These were all fun and I think the oldest person I ever saw race was maybe 20 or 21. NO ADULTS back in those days.
The park contests were almost ways a TREMENDOUS DISAPPOINTMENT to anyone who was serious about slalom. Usually someone would set up 10 or 15 straight cones in the bottom of a bowl/bank run and you'd come off a bank into the course and scorch it for a time. I don't think there was ever a race in a park that had enough room for dual racing.
The festival races were just the opposite. It was always dual, always in the street and usually some easy hybrid-style course. The drawback was we never had a timing system! We'd usually just have one of the Shriners or Sertomans stand at the finish line and declare a winner. This wasn't that much of a challenge because as I recall the racing was no where as close as it is today.
As far as rules are concerned, believe it or not we had a sanctioning body that issued a rule book. The United States Amateur Skateboarding Association was an effort to organize not only slalom, but also freestyle and park riding contests. If I remember it cost $10 to join. The USASA was the reason, though, we tolerated all that lousy stuff at the skateboard parks. Just like today's America's Cup, the USASA had overall champions at the end of the year. So you attended as many events as possible to get as many points as you could. So for every decent street race there were probably three races at some lousy concrete park in Bugtustle run by guys who could care less about slalom. But points were points and you took 'em where you could get 'em. They had medals for prizes that were awarded for the first three places. I still have two of mine:
Yes, one is a silver and the other gold. I still remember "winning" that damned silver medal. It was in Beaufort in the summer of '78 and I was so pissed I never said a word all the way home (an 80 mile drive.) I was ripping that day on my Summer Ski and had cruised all the way to the finals. I remember the kid I was racing against was a Marine brat from the Beaufort MCAS and he was riding Bob Skoldberg's signature Hobie. What I learned that day, though, is that "nylon lock nuts" don't always pass muster. My damned wheel fell off in the finals! It was a long time after that before I ever rode a Tracker again. I think, though, over the course of three summers ('77, '78 and '79,) I won 10 gold and the one silver. (Somewhere there is a box full of my trophies and medals from '76-'80. All I can find are four or five I've always had with me since College. Beats me where the rest ended up.)
Anyway, the rules were what you'd expect with the only exception being we never calculated times or cone penalties. The rule was simply "10% + 1 equals a dq." Of course, missing a cone or going out of the course was also a DQ. A 30-cone course had a four-cone DQ, 35 cones would be five. First one to the finish line wins.
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I'm refering to contests in the 1970's that were locally run contests often by people with no contest experience whatsoever- just a bunch of parents trying to pull it off with no rules or templates to work off of.
This was unfortunately more the norm than the exception. The more contests people threw- they better they got at it. Unfortunately most people didn't do more than 2. I went to contests in Brooklyn, Queens, Long Island, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Manhattan. Best contests were typically thrown by ski racers.
I am not referring to your contests ( MB 2001 was to suit the average ability level- though the course was not as described....nothing you could do about it as it was already set- and by Henry whose course setting style is very different- hell I even helped mirror it.....lol.) The first contest that I attended which felt run in its entirety by you was Cambria- and it was much better run than most contests of that size (the TS was a true TS). Catalina was also one that you seemed to have a lot of control over (Again the TS was a true TS)- and most remember that one as being one of the best- I liked it a lot. I certainly never attended any contests thrown by you in the 1970's. Though I must compliment you that your contests still get better everytime. The only thing I wish you still did was the golf club party before MB2001- that was very cool.
I would be interested to hear what Wesley's experience in the South was like- he attended a great many contests. And of course I would like to know what Mandarino's contests were like as well- as others from the rest of the USA.
This was unfortunately more the norm than the exception. The more contests people threw- they better they got at it. Unfortunately most people didn't do more than 2. I went to contests in Brooklyn, Queens, Long Island, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Manhattan. Best contests were typically thrown by ski racers.
I am not referring to your contests ( MB 2001 was to suit the average ability level- though the course was not as described....nothing you could do about it as it was already set- and by Henry whose course setting style is very different- hell I even helped mirror it.....lol.) The first contest that I attended which felt run in its entirety by you was Cambria- and it was much better run than most contests of that size (the TS was a true TS). Catalina was also one that you seemed to have a lot of control over (Again the TS was a true TS)- and most remember that one as being one of the best- I liked it a lot. I certainly never attended any contests thrown by you in the 1970's. Though I must compliment you that your contests still get better everytime. The only thing I wish you still did was the golf club party before MB2001- that was very cool.
I would be interested to hear what Wesley's experience in the South was like- he attended a great many contests. And of course I would like to know what Mandarino's contests were like as well- as others from the rest of the USA.
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Poorly run regional slalom contests
What era are you talking John? What region? How many "regional" contests did you attend during that time?In the USA we have had poorly run regional slalom contests for years.
I'm just curious.
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ISSA its role then- Its role Now
My thoughts for what it's worth. (and it's not like I had that much experience in slaloming in Europe- just a few comps.)
In the USA we have had poorly run regional slalom contests for years. But with Skateboarder magazine and some USA organizations we managed to get a somewhat recognizeable format down- likely better thanEurope did in the early years.
ISSA was a response to chaos in the late 1980's in European slalom competitions.
Contests would have ramps or no ramps , timed starts, open starts, independent timing, handheld stop watch timing, Common starts, false start penalties...etc...
The most troubling thing about slalom in Europe was likely that the courses were so different and that there was no cone standard. Some courses woud use narrow tall cones- other short fat cones- it made preparing for a contest season very difficult .
Courses could range from 1 meter cones on center for 100 cones- to courses as short as 15 cones at 2-3 meters. Timing strips would be set at random distances from the first cone and the last. Course lengths were arbitrary.
What ISSA and SLALOM! Magazine brought to Europe was a format. Slalom! magazine was likely more important to the success of the slalom scene in Europe than the formation of ISSA.
I say this Mostly because the ISSA rules were still around, but when Publishing of SLALOM! Ceased slalom died pretty quickly. The rules were not enough to keep the sport going.
I think communication about the slalom scene evidently was more important that the rules.
But that is not to say that an organized format isn't valuable. The organized ISSA format- while not being IDEAL for any slalomer was acceptable by MOST. And that was why it was adopted- because it allowed fair participation by all countries in Europe. If you came from a flat land region, you could be competitive, and if you came from a hilly region- likely you wouldn't be faced with flatland slalom when you traveled.
So ISSA's role in communication- it isn't really needed. Any BBS can replace that. Just good content is what is needed and is provided by nearly everyone who posts on this site and others.
In fact- in the past there was a community of skaters starving for content on slalom. Now With Riderz.net, NCDSA.com, slalomskateboarder.com, Ukssa , the AJSA TAC (slalom in Japan)
for photos see-
http://www.geocities.jp/tkaneda103/renewal.html
We are faced with not enough centralization of information to put together a good contest calender easily.
The problem as I see it- with Riderz.net evolving slalom in French, AJSA evolving in Japanese, and UKSSA, NCDSA and UKSSA evolving in English, there is a potential for slalom to diverge again.
I certainly don't think it will be as bad as having such a wide range of slalom disciplines and different cones and timing rules as before. But we could have a different type of slalom evolve on each Continent. Even within the English speaking sites of UKSSA and NCDSA and Slalomskateboarder you can see a preference for different types of slalom. now don't jump on me boys... Ncdsa slalom (USA WEST) is wider less technical- and slower in relation to the gate spacing than Slalomskateboarder.com (More Eastern Slalom) and The starts for UKSSA are push starts (which I like as it emulates practice and allows for a contest venue to be more easily moved/managed) and very technical- though perhaps a little slower than Eastern Slalom with a penchant for ultra tight tech.(which I think is cool to watch- even though I wouldn't want to train for it).
I don't want to see divergence. I can think
of the problems of FIS and USSA snowboard associations- we certaininly don't need the quagmire or separate race orgs.
So you can imagine if we have differences evolving in the SAMElanguage- what could happen in DIFFERENT languages- park slalom in Japan for instance was a "Compacted/compartmentalized" version of other slalom. Though Japan's GS looks a lot llike California GS.
Of course if we want slalom to be the fun sport it is- we should expect travel to be one of the things that makes it special. Look at Kenny Mollica's face at any competition he is at (there is ZERO OHIO slalom so he has to travel to EVERY competition) and I think it is fair to say that almost ANYWHERE is more interesting than OHIO. Kenny's smile says it all. Traveling to slalom competitons can be some of the Best days of your life.
Traveling to slalom competitions can also be extremely frustrating if you arrive and the format is completely different or poorly described/not as described (so you brought the wrong board), rules are different, ramps/start gates/timing chime weird/ start box differently sized- backstop- or no backstop or push start length different, surface poor (or for some - so good that that they never developed the body angualtion skills needed to take full advantage of a good surface- and they are outgunned).
Having a developed format that people understands helps remove the frustration of being "unprepared" and ENSURES maximum fun and ENSURES few if any unpleasant surprises at a slalom competition.
So we do need coordiantion on formats- but with enough latitude to keep slalom enjoyable for everyones "particular slalom discipline favorite". The best way to do this not too strictly define a format and to require an adequate description fo the format and course- and rate the description for accuracy AT the race. Only then will our descriptive skills get good enough so people will feel comfortable to travel with full confidence (many of my early contests were a crap shoot). Airfares are so cheap now....we for once should be able to get some momentum in travel for slalom.
So to start- I think trying to resurrect a group of advanced level slalomers from different countries to define the sport of slalom is a good idea. I don't think they should all be "Old guard slalomers" I would for instance be very happy to see an accomplished newbie give his thoughts as they are freshest- the name that comes to mind is Jason Mitchell for the USA. I am sure there are European counterparts like Jason.
Having representatives from Each country with a equal vote is good. I think that the proposals to ammend slalom's format should be equally considered no matter how small the country's slalom base that reccommends the change. I do think that slalom enjoyment for the MAJORITY of slalomers in EACH SKILL CLASS LEVEL should be considered strongly before enacting a change.
In the USA we have had poorly run regional slalom contests for years. But with Skateboarder magazine and some USA organizations we managed to get a somewhat recognizeable format down- likely better thanEurope did in the early years.
ISSA was a response to chaos in the late 1980's in European slalom competitions.
Contests would have ramps or no ramps , timed starts, open starts, independent timing, handheld stop watch timing, Common starts, false start penalties...etc...
The most troubling thing about slalom in Europe was likely that the courses were so different and that there was no cone standard. Some courses woud use narrow tall cones- other short fat cones- it made preparing for a contest season very difficult .
Courses could range from 1 meter cones on center for 100 cones- to courses as short as 15 cones at 2-3 meters. Timing strips would be set at random distances from the first cone and the last. Course lengths were arbitrary.
What ISSA and SLALOM! Magazine brought to Europe was a format. Slalom! magazine was likely more important to the success of the slalom scene in Europe than the formation of ISSA.
I say this Mostly because the ISSA rules were still around, but when Publishing of SLALOM! Ceased slalom died pretty quickly. The rules were not enough to keep the sport going.
I think communication about the slalom scene evidently was more important that the rules.
But that is not to say that an organized format isn't valuable. The organized ISSA format- while not being IDEAL for any slalomer was acceptable by MOST. And that was why it was adopted- because it allowed fair participation by all countries in Europe. If you came from a flat land region, you could be competitive, and if you came from a hilly region- likely you wouldn't be faced with flatland slalom when you traveled.
So ISSA's role in communication- it isn't really needed. Any BBS can replace that. Just good content is what is needed and is provided by nearly everyone who posts on this site and others.
In fact- in the past there was a community of skaters starving for content on slalom. Now With Riderz.net, NCDSA.com, slalomskateboarder.com, Ukssa , the AJSA TAC (slalom in Japan)
for photos see-
http://www.geocities.jp/tkaneda103/renewal.html
We are faced with not enough centralization of information to put together a good contest calender easily.
The problem as I see it- with Riderz.net evolving slalom in French, AJSA evolving in Japanese, and UKSSA, NCDSA and UKSSA evolving in English, there is a potential for slalom to diverge again.
I certainly don't think it will be as bad as having such a wide range of slalom disciplines and different cones and timing rules as before. But we could have a different type of slalom evolve on each Continent. Even within the English speaking sites of UKSSA and NCDSA and Slalomskateboarder you can see a preference for different types of slalom. now don't jump on me boys... Ncdsa slalom (USA WEST) is wider less technical- and slower in relation to the gate spacing than Slalomskateboarder.com (More Eastern Slalom) and The starts for UKSSA are push starts (which I like as it emulates practice and allows for a contest venue to be more easily moved/managed) and very technical- though perhaps a little slower than Eastern Slalom with a penchant for ultra tight tech.(which I think is cool to watch- even though I wouldn't want to train for it).
I don't want to see divergence. I can think
of the problems of FIS and USSA snowboard associations- we certaininly don't need the quagmire or separate race orgs.
So you can imagine if we have differences evolving in the SAMElanguage- what could happen in DIFFERENT languages- park slalom in Japan for instance was a "Compacted/compartmentalized" version of other slalom. Though Japan's GS looks a lot llike California GS.
Of course if we want slalom to be the fun sport it is- we should expect travel to be one of the things that makes it special. Look at Kenny Mollica's face at any competition he is at (there is ZERO OHIO slalom so he has to travel to EVERY competition) and I think it is fair to say that almost ANYWHERE is more interesting than OHIO. Kenny's smile says it all. Traveling to slalom competitons can be some of the Best days of your life.
Traveling to slalom competitions can also be extremely frustrating if you arrive and the format is completely different or poorly described/not as described (so you brought the wrong board), rules are different, ramps/start gates/timing chime weird/ start box differently sized- backstop- or no backstop or push start length different, surface poor (or for some - so good that that they never developed the body angualtion skills needed to take full advantage of a good surface- and they are outgunned).
Having a developed format that people understands helps remove the frustration of being "unprepared" and ENSURES maximum fun and ENSURES few if any unpleasant surprises at a slalom competition.
So we do need coordiantion on formats- but with enough latitude to keep slalom enjoyable for everyones "particular slalom discipline favorite". The best way to do this not too strictly define a format and to require an adequate description fo the format and course- and rate the description for accuracy AT the race. Only then will our descriptive skills get good enough so people will feel comfortable to travel with full confidence (many of my early contests were a crap shoot). Airfares are so cheap now....we for once should be able to get some momentum in travel for slalom.
So to start- I think trying to resurrect a group of advanced level slalomers from different countries to define the sport of slalom is a good idea. I don't think they should all be "Old guard slalomers" I would for instance be very happy to see an accomplished newbie give his thoughts as they are freshest- the name that comes to mind is Jason Mitchell for the USA. I am sure there are European counterparts like Jason.
Having representatives from Each country with a equal vote is good. I think that the proposals to ammend slalom's format should be equally considered no matter how small the country's slalom base that reccommends the change. I do think that slalom enjoyment for the MAJORITY of slalomers in EACH SKILL CLASS LEVEL should be considered strongly before enacting a change.
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Ridoli came by the 2003 Grüningen race. I talked to him and he did do some slalom skating with his son but it was not high priority of course. And when he was looking at the 2003 Grüningen special slalom course he actually thought it looked good.
Someone give away a nice slalomboard to his son and I'll bet we will se the Ridoli's in a slalom competition soon.
Someone give away a nice slalomboard to his son and I'll bet we will se the Ridoli's in a slalom competition soon.
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Re: Daniel Ridoli
No, neither Ridoli, nor Sidler have competed during the last couple of years. They were both in Gruningen in 2002 but they were discouraged to the see the kind of cone distances that were used there (and then). I tried to talk Ridoli into making the 5 km drive for the 2003 event, but he didn't want to do it. It seemed there would be a chance to get him out of his retirement, but I haven't tried since then.Daniel Gesmer wrote:Didn't he compete in the 2003 Antibes race?
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ISSA country coordinators?
Donald,donald campbell wrote:I think we might need two new German coordinators, Bimler and Ernst don't seem to be as active as desired.
The new ISSA doesn't have country coordinators. Maybe one day it should, but at the moment it felt wrong to say that every country would get equal votes or so and I was too lazy to try to invent a really clever system that would take into account all aspects such as: size of country, size of market, size of activity and all other factors that would have to be taken into account.
Country coordinators made sense back then because differences between countries and their traditions were big. Today such differences exist, but we all seem open to try new things. And it's all moving at a faster pace. We need a system that is adapted to todays situation.
Bimler and Ernst just got a "free" vote, because I made the dictator decision to give away "the ISSA" to todays modern community. I thought it was fair to give them a chance to vote in future decisions.
As we gather support and momentum for the new ISSA it'll be time to attack the real questions of what it should become.
Now is the time to act and say "yeah, let's do something"!
You've done so and we're grateful for your participation.
For this organization to become useful for us all we need to gather support also from those who are not presently active on this forum, and may even have had objections to the "old ISSA" or the "old SlalomSkateboarder.com". Time for a change!
/Jani
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Daniel Ridoli
Didn't he compete in the 2003 Antibes race?
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Jadranko,
For sure Ridoli and Sidler is no longer skating, or care about skating, but I thought it was correct to offer all those who were previously representing the ISSA to be involved.
There are many other country representatives that are not currently interested in
the current slalom scene.
To actually vote, you will need to be registered here at the site, so I could add a symbol next to each person, so that we know if they are likely to vote or not.
More important than the current list though is to increase this list. It's up to you, me and everyone to get the new ISSA group correctly set up.
/Jani
For sure Ridoli and Sidler is no longer skating, or care about skating, but I thought it was correct to offer all those who were previously representing the ISSA to be involved.
There are many other country representatives that are not currently interested in
the current slalom scene.
To actually vote, you will need to be registered here at the site, so I could add a symbol next to each person, so that we know if they are likely to vote or not.
More important than the current list though is to increase this list. It's up to you, me and everyone to get the new ISSA group correctly set up.
/Jani
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Jadranko Radovanovic
- Posts: 539
- Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2003 5:40 pm
- Location: Grüningen
- Contact:
ISSA Cordinators
Hi Jani,
I think Ridoli and Sidler aren't involved in the swiss slalom scene anymore. We asked them 4 years ago before the second grueningen contest for help, but they said they had finished with slalom.
I don't know if you have other information of them...
I think Ridoli and Sidler aren't involved in the swiss slalom scene anymore. We asked them 4 years ago before the second grueningen contest for help, but they said they had finished with slalom.
I don't know if you have other information of them...
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Daniel Gesmer
- Seismic Skate Sys.
- Posts: 227
- Joined: Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:00 am
- Location: Seismic Skate Systems, Inc.
- Contact:
ISSA Revival
In my opinion, it is high time for slalom to once again have the guidance and support of a truly representative international governing body. In the 1980s and early 1990s, the ISSA, often under the direction of Jani Soderhall, was of invaluable service to the European slalom scene. I can think of no more positive development than the ISSA's revival at a time when slalom is once again thriving not just in Europe but in America as well. We are especially fortunate that Jani has agreed to lead the organization for the next year. He is not just a friend of mine, but one of the classiest, most intelligent, and most dignified individuals on the scene.
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Jani Soderhall
- ISSA President 2011-2024
- Posts: 4702
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 2:00 am
- Location: Sweden, lives in France
- Contact:
ISSA - Voters as of Nov 29, 2004
SlalomSkateboarder.com Investors (3 votes each)
Daniel Gesmer, USA
Jack Smith, USA
Daniel Poweleit, Germany
Sam Gordon, UK
John Gilmour, USA
Donald Campbell, Germany
Heiko Schöller, Germany
Jani Söderhäll, Sweden/France
ISSA Coordinators (1 vote each)
Josef Stefka, Czech Republic
Petr Cervinka, Czech Republic
Max Bimler, Germany
Mike Ernst, Germany
Martin Sweeney, UK
Chris Linford, UK
Erik Raitviir, Estonia
Kaupo Kukli, Estonia
Dieter Fleischer, France
Jean-Michel Attia, France
Gianluca Ferrero, Italy
Jun Yokoyama, Japan
Gints Gailitis, Latvia
Valdis Sermols, Latvia
Anatoly Matsukevich, Russia
Aleksey Makarov, Russia
Yuriy Fomin, Russia
Jani Söderhäll, Sweden
Daniel Ridoli, Switzerland
André Sidler, Switzerland
Stanislav Mironenko, Ukraina
John Gilmour, USA
Daniel Gesmer, USA
Adam Trahan, USA
Hans Koraeus, Sweden
Names colored Olive are not registered here and unlikely to participate at this moment. I will try to contact those that I have current contact details of.
SlalomSkateboarder.com monthly sponsors 2003-2004 (1 vote per month)
Joe Iacovelli, USA
Howard Gordon, USA
Howard Gordon, USA
Howard Gordon, USA
Eric Groff, USA
Vlad Popov, Russia/USA
Sam Gordon, UK
David Gale, USA
Rick Stanziale, USA
Rick Stanziale, USA
Rick Stanziale, USA
Steve Collins, USA
Matthew Wilson, USA
Gary Fluitt, USA
Daniel Gesmer, USA
Jack Smith, USA
Daniel Poweleit, Germany
Sam Gordon, UK
John Gilmour, USA
Donald Campbell, Germany
Heiko Schöller, Germany
Jani Söderhäll, Sweden/France
ISSA Coordinators (1 vote each)
Josef Stefka, Czech Republic
Petr Cervinka, Czech Republic
Max Bimler, Germany
Mike Ernst, Germany
Martin Sweeney, UK
Chris Linford, UK
Erik Raitviir, Estonia
Kaupo Kukli, Estonia
Dieter Fleischer, France
Jean-Michel Attia, France
Gianluca Ferrero, Italy
Jun Yokoyama, Japan
Gints Gailitis, Latvia
Valdis Sermols, Latvia
Anatoly Matsukevich, Russia
Aleksey Makarov, Russia
Yuriy Fomin, Russia
Jani Söderhäll, Sweden
Daniel Ridoli, Switzerland
André Sidler, Switzerland
Stanislav Mironenko, Ukraina
John Gilmour, USA
Daniel Gesmer, USA
Adam Trahan, USA
Hans Koraeus, Sweden
Names colored Olive are not registered here and unlikely to participate at this moment. I will try to contact those that I have current contact details of.
SlalomSkateboarder.com monthly sponsors 2003-2004 (1 vote per month)
Joe Iacovelli, USA
Howard Gordon, USA
Howard Gordon, USA
Howard Gordon, USA
Eric Groff, USA
Vlad Popov, Russia/USA
Sam Gordon, UK
David Gale, USA
Rick Stanziale, USA
Rick Stanziale, USA
Rick Stanziale, USA
Steve Collins, USA
Matthew Wilson, USA
Gary Fluitt, USA
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Jani Soderhall
- ISSA President 2011-2024
- Posts: 4702
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 2:00 am
- Location: Sweden, lives in France
- Contact:
The New ISSA 2004 - Relaunch 2006
As the current president of the ISSA I have made the decision to give away ISSA to a new group of decision makers.
- The previous country coordinators and collaborators of ISSA gets one vote each.
- Every monthly sponsor of this forum 2003-2004 obtains one vote for each month they sponsored.
- The eight current site shareholders obtains 3 votes each.
- Every future contribution to ISSA of $25 gives you one vote.
- Nobody can have more than 5 votes (but you're welcome to pay more).
The more voters the better. What the surplus money will be used for will be decided by the voters.
My intention is to let SlalomSkateboarder.com and ISSA go hand in hand into the future.
What this group of racers will do to the ISSA I don't know. I just hope that this is the right way to promote the sport.
/Jani
- The previous country coordinators and collaborators of ISSA gets one vote each.
- Every monthly sponsor of this forum 2003-2004 obtains one vote for each month they sponsored.
- The eight current site shareholders obtains 3 votes each.
- Every future contribution to ISSA of $25 gives you one vote.
- Nobody can have more than 5 votes (but you're welcome to pay more).
The more voters the better. What the surplus money will be used for will be decided by the voters.
My intention is to let SlalomSkateboarder.com and ISSA go hand in hand into the future.
What this group of racers will do to the ISSA I don't know. I just hope that this is the right way to promote the sport.
/Jani
Last edited by Jani Soderhall on Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.