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Re: joys of flying

Post by Pat Chewning » Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:28 pm

Etienne de Bary wrote:
- The victim's wife was screeming her husband was out of his mind all the time, her speech was clearly understood by the passengers.
- The victim was shot in the back while running away on the vast tarmac.

- The passangers were kept hands on head for 1h inside the plane while the other marshals were searching a bomb under their asses Really a very comfortable and safe situation!
The perpetrator's wife was just a screaming woman when this incident occurred. It is only in hindsight that we learn that she was this man's wife.

The perpetrator was shot while reaching into a bag. He may have turned his back to the shooters.

The passengers indeed had to go through a search/question/screening process. That's normal police work. You don't just let them all go without making sure the situation is safe and you've got all the info from them. The passengers' discomfort was caused by the perpetrator who claimed he had a bomb, not because the police followed the normal process to ensure the passenger's safety and to gather crime-scene information.


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Post by Justin Pannulla » Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:12 pm

Some people are going to be pissed at the air marshals either way, because they are air marshals.
If the guy did have a bomb and they tried to "apprehend" him instead of using deadly force, he might have detonated the bomb, and killed everyone on the plane, and then everyone would be saying "what were they thinking? they should have shot him while they had the chance!"

There are so many ways this argument can go, but none are neccessarily "correct".
Ive heard people say how his wife was trying to reason with the marshals, saying that he was out of his right mind, but how can they take that chance? How can they be sure his wife wasnt part of the so-called "attack"?

This is a very delicate situation, and one that is very very hard to fully understand if you are not someone who was physically there.
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Post by Etienne de Bary » Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:36 pm

i have no idea who is whom and what that statement means...
Just wanted to add that i think these questions have a place in SS.com, just because slalom skateboard is one rare community where we work something out, together US and non-US people thru our differences and, we should just hope this is still possible i guess.

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:35 pm

What I can tell is that hysterical reactionaries are not interested in logic, only in spouting off nonsense in an attempt to advance a ridiculous agenda.
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Post by Etienne de Bary » Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:24 pm

Yes our Minister "de l'interieur" (in charge with order) Nicolas Sarkozy would fit fine in a republican government. The cops who are prosecuted for the murder by neglect of 2 kids that started it all have sure not been cleared of the charges, and he won't apologise for insulting the neighbours and families of the victims.

However, after cops were stoned, hassled and injured all kinds of ways and actually performed hundreds of difficult and spectacular arrests [courts were in serious trouble treating so many cases] none of these arrests ended with "rioters" being only notably injured. The cops in charge with that kind of troubles do not carry a gun.
But i wonder : maybe you think burning a car is to be balanced with shooting a man dead ?

Anybody has a gun and everybody is suspect, that's what i call anarchy.
Who in your logic is NOT suspect, can you tell me that ? If the answer is "Everybody is suspect", why don't you start searching and shooting at one another randomly ?

You hide in your middle class neighbourhood, and you pray a lot. You're happy enough as long as the shootings don't get too close.
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Post by Wesley Tucker » Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:32 pm

So, Brad and Etienne,

Tell us, how many years do the two of you have in law enforcement? How much training have you had in issues of probable cause, justified force, optimum threat assessment and public safety?

Tell us about the classes you've taken in terrorist identification, crowd control and firearms use?

Please, tell us everything that provides you with such meaningful insight to condemn this Air Marshall as a "murderer" that you didn't get off of CNN? Tell us how the shooting death of one deranged passenger at an airline terminal can be described as "anarchy?" Tell us how a guy in France of all fucking places can point his finger across the Atlantic Ocean and pass judgement on the actions of others?

By the way, Etienne, speaking of anarchy, have all the cars burned out or are there still smoldering hulks laying around Paris?
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Post by Etienne de Bary » Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:32 pm

Troy Smart wrote:everyone had to stay on the plane and be searched.
Who should not be searched, i wonder ?

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Post by Etienne de Bary » Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:29 pm

We still have no idea why the cops killed this brazilian guy in London. Not so long ago, and still today, the british police was an exemple of perfect behavior. I personally was very impressed a few years ago when my parents in law's luggages were entirely searched in a british airport, "-... oh, and would you mind if i had a look in that little pocket too ? - eh, ... of course please do..." and again and again (there was a lot) in that perfect civil and quiet mood, not the slightest tension, incredible!
Basic rule of course is never to run away from a cop, but maybe not in Brazil in fact.

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where would this reasoning stop

Post by Bradley Elfman » Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:00 pm

it is a sad & tragic sign of our times that find people who normally seem reasonable justifying murdering innocent people in the name of an abstract purpose. Where would this end if we continue. What kind of world would we be living in if we continually justified killing innocent people. If the "bad guys", whoever they may be, perpetrated this crime, they would be called cowards and terrorists themselves.

As pointed out by Etienne, it is even more tragic as these are "trained" professionals who should have been protecting, not killing. I think as soon as the story broke, we all knew there was no bomb. One person reports a mentally ill man whose English speaking skills were probably very limited, has a bomb, and he is now all but dead, like a violent video game, and shot by men who could not be identified by their uniform, as they did not wear one, who could have easily and quietly apprehended the murder victim and his luggage while he was still alive, and who should have been speaking in Spanish, as the plane was coming from Columbia.

It is not surprising that Air Marshalls see themselves as modern cowboys, Wyatt Earps in a lawless land; but it is sad that others justify their actions, setting the stage for continued murder of innocent people by the "authorities", where "authorized personnel" can shoot whomever they please whenever they please in the name of fighting terrorists or whatever current official rationale has been created, as did the British police recently who held a man down in the subway, then shot him eight times, while it turned out, as in this case, all facts given by the authorities were proved wrong by all witnesses and videos, thus setting the stage for legalized murder in Miami; and once again the media distorted the facts in the name of patriotism.

The facts: an innocent man is dead, while his murderers are now free to kill again; and maybe next time one of your family, wfe, husband, children, mother, father... travels on an airplane, some passenger will report a bomb and you will probably not respond the same when the justified murder is reported that one of your family has been shot and killed.

Hey who cares. He was only some immigrant!

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Post by Etienne de Bary » Sat Dec 10, 2005 1:06 pm

Why do you try to make sense to it ? There is none.
The victim is responsable for his death because he acted insane, you say, but everything is insane in the story. Maybe you have other sources that describe things diferently, i do not know. This feature seems to report things thoughtfully.

i'm afraid if you think the marshalls acted right i cannot agree with you at all. This is a situation of complete anarchy and mess.
If you think an official allowed to shoot in the public has enough of a pavlovian stimuli kind military training and does not need to have a proper decision making and common sense training, we do not have the common ground just to discuss. The marshall did not think the guy was a terrorist, but that's not the problem, the problem is that he did not think period.

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Post by Troy Smart » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:42 pm

The Air Marshalls were faced with a situation where a passenger of an airplane allegedly claimed he had a bomb in his bag and then after repeated warnings would not stop, would not drop his bag, and then reached into it.

They shot him.

As they should have.

In this day and age some situations warrant restraint and some don't. I think this definately falls into the latter catagory don't you?

The Air Marshalls also did'nt know the exact situation. Was this guy a terrorist? Were there more? Until they knew, everyone had to stay on the plane and be searched. Unfortunate but necessary.
We know this. You know this. Don't be a dick.

Thanks to Bush and others you have plenty of other legitimate complaints against the U.S. Lets not create more out of thin air OK?

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Post by Etienne de Bary » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:02 pm

Jadranko Radovanovic wrote:If you ever saw an onset of this affliction, you will did the same as the marshall...
Jadranko, i don't think you realise what you are saying. i have not been trained to shoot people dead in the back and i have not been trained to keep dozens people desperate with fear under threat of my gun.
i've been trained to always make decisions that make sense to me, because i should carry the guilt of my acts alone, which sometimes make me uneasy when everybody else is relaxed.

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Re: joys of flying

Post by Etienne de Bary » Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:51 am

Pat Chewning wrote:This was to ensure the safety of the passengers and future passengers on that airplane.
Pat,

- The shooter himself admits the speech was rather undecodable.
- The victim's wife was screeming her husband was out of his mind all the time, her speech was clearly understood by the passengers.
- The victim was shot in the back while running away on the vast tarmac.

- The passangers were kept hands on head for 1h inside the plane while the other marshals were searching a bomb under their asses Really a very comfortable and safe situation!

The simplest and only explanation is to quote the official version "the air marshals proceeded consistent with their training": The marshal had but a very narrow set of options, after the summations the shooting comes automaticly (shoot to kill of course, about 4 bullets in vital parts), then what to do with the passanger ? They kept them frozen, until some manager makes a decision.
He shot the guy dead because there was no training process he could refer to if the guy went out of reach of his gun.
Then he had no process at all to care of the passengers, so he used the processes he had: suspects arrests.

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Post by Jadranko Radovanovic » Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:49 am

This passanger had a bipolar disorder. If you ever saw an onset of this affliction, you will did the same as the marshall...

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Re: joys of flying

Post by Pat Chewning » Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:00 am

Etienne de Bary wrote:A passenger had a panic attack on this plane and ran away, he was shot in the back and killed, then they kept passangers with hands on their heads for one hour into the plane while they were checking the luggages. It took several more hours to the FBI to decide this was not the start of a new wave of terrorist attacks.
Etienne: That's a very biased way of saying what really happened.

A passenger made a mistake of claiming to have a bomb and the threat was averted when US Air Marshals shot him when he refused to surrender. This passenger's mistake caused a several hour delay for the other passengers as officials took statements and searched every piece of baggage for explosives. This was to ensure the safety of the passengers and future passengers on that airplane.

Sad that this had to happen, but I don't fault the Air Marshals.

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joys of flying

Post by Etienne de Bary » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:11 am

A passenger had a panic attack on this plane and ran away, he was shot in the back and killed, then they kept passangers with hands on their heads for one hour into the plane while they were checking the luggages. It took several more hours to the FBI to decide this was not the start of a new wave of terrorist attacks.

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Air Marshals Shoot and Kill Passenger in Bomb Threat

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and MATTHEW L. WALD
Published: December 8, 2005

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Mr. Alpizar and his wife, Anne Buechner, had boarded American Airlines Flight 924 to Orlando around 2 p.m. and the plane was waiting to taxi when Mr. Alpizar, 44, "uttered threatening words that included a sentence to the effect that he had a bomb," Mr. Bauer said.

Two air marshals aboard the flight confronted Mr. Alpizar, who then ran from the Boeing 757 and onto the jetway connecting it to the airport concourse. The marshals followed and ordered him to the ground, said Brian Doyle, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security.

"He then appeared to be reaching into a carry-on bag, and the air marshals proceeded consistent with their training," Mr. Doyle said. "Shots were fired as the team attempted to subdue the individual."

Mr. Bauer said that members of the Miami-Dade Police Department's bomb squad detonated Mr. Alpizar's luggage on the tarmac and that it had contained no explosives. Dogs sniffed luggage that had been loaded onto the plane but found nothing.

One passenger on the flight, Mary Gardner, told a local television station that Mr. Alpizar's wife had said he was bipolar and had not taken his medication. Ms. Gardner told WTVJ-TV in Miami that Mr. Alpizar had suddenly run down the aisle from the back of the plane toward first class and that his wife had followed.

"She ran after him, and all of a sudden there were four or five shots," Ms. Gardner said. She added that the police boarded the plane afterward and told the passengers to put their hands on their heads.

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Natalia Cayon, 16, was on the plane and continued her trip to Orlando. Ms. Cayon, who was traveling from Colombia, said everybody got down on the floor after the shots were fired. She said she was crying, as were many of the other passengers.

After the shooting, Ms. Cayon said, the passengers stayed on the plane for about an hour. When they were allowed off, they went into the terminal through a private entrance.

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finger pointing

Post by Bradley Elfman » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:10 pm

"Anyone who points a finger and says someone needs to do something immediately becomes the person who needs to do it."
funny, my boss just said the same thing.

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:47 am

Do you realize it's been 25 years since Yoko Ono had someone to spend all his time apologizing for her utter lack of talent?
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New Rule

Post by Wesley Tucker » Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:06 pm

I have written a new rule for Slalom skateboard racing:

"Anyone who points a finger and says someone needs to do something immediately becomes the person who needs to do it."

Seeing as how I decided we needed this rule and knew someone had to write it, I became the person to put it down on paper.

So let it be written, so let it be done!
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Phone Words

Post by Wesley Tucker » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:39 am

I don't know who the genius is that decided SPELLING a phone number was cool, but it's probably the single-most irritating trend since "Achy Breaky Heart." If we catch the SOB, we'll serve him up with cole slaw and home fries! For those who wish to discuss this further, my number is 843-875-9005

(That's eightfourthreeeightsevenfiveninezerozerofive for those of you trying desperately to be part of the "in" crowd.)

Oh. Jeez. I just realized something. Being a Macintosh user, I never thought of this: some of the more recent discount WinTel contraptions probably ship without number keys. So, y'all just keep on doing the best you can.

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Why, Bobo, Why!!??

Post by Kevin M. Gamble » Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:30 pm

Bobo's retirement post was submitted on the Buy, Sell, Trade forum @ NCDSA

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Post by Andy Bittner » Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:22 pm

KMG, Where was BoBo's original post made, and has it subsequently disappeared?

(btw... understanding priorities and all, I miss you and Yvonne. C'mon down and see us sometime.)

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Buh-buy, Bobo

Post by Kevin M. Gamble » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:41 pm

On 7/8/2005 Bob Frias wrote in from United States (24.91.xxx.xxx)
Getting out of slalom and focusing on the thing I love, MUSIC.
Bobo, how can you get out of something you haven't been in?

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Post by Donald Campbell » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:41 am

steve you nailed it better than anybody else.
nothing really to add to your comment.
i am doing r&d for 9 months now and as a producer it's easy to do a deck f.e. and throw it away later on.
so,i think,chris did the same.
i could go on top of ams this year,but i'm also sacrificing this goal to r&d.
it is more important to me than a podium at the moment.
what chris did at that race is cool and shows his true spirit.
eventually some others will profit from experiences been made during the race.
even though i highly doubt a six-wheeler,but that's not the point of discussion and only my own view of things.

another thing:
sometimes it's a bit difficult to understand the humor in posts.

after having read the topic till my first reply,i really thought that this discusssion is a joke?
i can't really believe some guys take the things seriously.

enlighten me,if i outed myself,please.

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cheap is as cheap does

Post by Steve Collins » Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:00 am

[apologies in advance for long rant from intermediate skater]

The new kid on the basic setup won't be expecting to hold his own against the seasoned rider whose back truck cost more than the kid's whole rig.

On the other hand, when the kid gets hooked he'll start seriously tweaking his gear and saving up for better/more expensive parts just like all of us.

Better gear will not cause a poor skater to beat a great skater. Who doubts that?

I mentioned before that I don't think Chris' 6-wheeler made him faster. Chris is a great skater and would do well on anything. My feeling is that he would have done better at that particular race on a more typical board, but the point is that he was TRYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I truly believe the point for him was to see what would happen, not just to win. He's just out there having fun, trying things and pushing buttons. Being a skate manufacturer gives him the ability to do a lot of things that the rest of us can't do. It's R&D and we all benefit. Period.

Other notes: The two back trucks turned slightly differently. The closer to the center of the board, the less turning, the farther from the center, the more turning. That kept them on the same turning arc. The wheels didn't touch. The deck he used was an old comet that he cut down, with a full length center riser for the radikals. He changed wheels during the race, from flywheels to gumballs, since he hadn't had the chance to try it before and was still dialing the wheels.

Think about it, Chris entered a race with some of the best slalomers in the world, on a brand new and totally different setup that he had never riden before and placed 6th. For comparison, I tried the thing and could hardly turn it.

The board I rode at that race had the standard front radikal and rear airflow with 80a manx all around. I didn't do as well as I should have but not because of cheap gear!

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Post by Neil Gendzwill » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:13 pm

I know you were, but you missed my point so I'll make it clearer: having more money to spend on equipment is an advantage and always has been. There's not much difference in my mind between the guy that can afford a quiver of Roes and Turners and a dozen sets of wheels in various durometers and sizes, and the guy who can put together a six wheeler. They're both way, way beyond the entry level. All kids really need to try slalom is a deck with trucks that turn and wheels that stick.

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3 trucks and 6 wheels

Post by Kevin M. Gamble » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:03 pm

Neil,
I was referring to 3 trucks and 6 wheels per skateboard...................

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Re: 6 wheelers

Post by Neil Gendzwill » Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:57 pm

Kevin M. Gamble wrote:How are we going to bring new blood into this sport if the price of admission is 3 trucks and 6 wheels?
The price of admission as always is a deck with two trucks and four wheels. But if that's all you show up with, your butt is likely to be kicked. How many sets of wheels are the pros bringing to the races? How many decks, how many trucks, how much wrenching before they determine the right combination for the hill, surface and course? You don't need to have 3 axles to get the equipment costs up sky-high. Personally, I've just got one slalom board and no extra wheels but the only one I compete against around here is me. If I was serious about racing I'd need to make an investment in urethane at least.

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Post by Marty Schaub » Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:10 am

Actually I thought he was pretty friggin clever.

But since you need at least two wheels for two trucks, wouldn't this make the old Hobie Sundancer the best slalom board ever?

(BTW, for all of you negative people out there, my tounge is firmly in cheek.)
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Post by Donald Campbell » Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:45 pm

you must be einsteins lost son,pat

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Post by Pat Chewning » Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:08 pm

Donald Campbell wrote:stupid german boy add his 2 cents to the discussion about 6wheelers.
there is a word which is called friction.
more friction from wheels and other moving parts creates less speed
4 wheels in the rear mounted on 2 different truck sets creates even more friction due to the nature of the trucks turning.
as a matter of fact both truck sets won't turn simultaneously with the same exact angle,thus creating more friction.


i don't think that i'm a clever boy,so you surely knew that already,right?
If we follow this logic, then a skateboard without any wheels will have 0 friction and will go the fastest down the hill.

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Post by Donald Campbell » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:54 pm

stupid german boy add his 2 cents to the discussion about 6wheelers.
there is a word which is called friction.
more friction from wheels and other moving parts creates less speed
4 wheels in the rear mounted on 2 different truck sets creates even more friction due to the nature of the trucks turning.
as a matter of fact both truck sets won't turn simultaneously with the same exact angle,thus creating more friction.


i don't think that i'm a clever boy,so you surely knew that already,right?

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Post by Jonathan Harms » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:41 pm

Gotcha. I should have known from the green color scheme and the recent flapdoodle about Chaput's Maryhill "experiment."

Funny thing is, I think six wheels is not that big a deal. Does that extra truck setup make THAT big a difference, without a corresponding drawback of some sort? (And with those Gumballs on there, that's a fair question--they do like to go DOWN the hill, but aren't always so keen to go ACROSS it if the turns are sharp.) Now, the fairing on the downhill board? THAT seemed to be a pretty obvious advantage--within the letter of the rules, of course, but not really "sporting" in the way that usually applies.

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Post by Steve Collins » Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:58 pm

Harms - 6th at the Pump Station on Sunday.

The 6 wheeler was Chris' little fun toy. No one else was riding one or has plans to ride one. My feeling is it was a fun experiment for Chris but did not make him any faster. Sorry about my previous sarcasm, there's just been so much flurry about Chris' 6 wheeled experiments of late.

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:52 pm

The last Pump Station race this past Sunday in Poway, California.

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Post by Jonathan Harms » Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:32 pm

Please forgive my ignorance, but sixth place in WHAT?

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:16 pm

My only question is what if the trucks aren't set up EXACTLY RIGHT? The way Chaput has this thing designed, isn't it only a matter of time before the turning radiuses don't match EXACTLY and you get real WHEEL-TO-WHEEL RUB? That could ruin your whole day.

Is there something I'm missing about the mechanics of slalom? If one truck is in front of the other, is there some dynamic law that says they will always and forever match in turning and thus never touch? My math/engineering-challenged brain tells me these two trucks must always have a turning radiuses that are of two hypothetical concentric circles. If one, though, distorts just a bit, the front wheel touches the back wheel, you have wheel lock and come to a screeching halt.

Or does Urethane-on-urethane behave differently than urethane on fibreglas or wood as in a classic wheel to board wheel rub?

Chaput rides these things and so far seems to have it figured out. Is it a non issue or is he just lucky so far?

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6 wheelers

Post by Kevin M. Gamble » Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:41 am

So, I guess, he with the most wheels (cash) wins. Where does it end? I thought slalom was about technique and ability.

BTW, I don't fear 3 axles. I just don't like the idea of a race where extra equipment can be purchased to compensate for diminished athletic ability.

And, if it does come to pass that we all end up riding 3 axles, doesn't that leave us all right back where we started, except a little faster and a lot poorer?

How are we going to bring new blood into this sport if the price of admission is 3 trucks and 6 wheels?

How are you going to feel when you show up to a race with your kick-ass 6 wheeler, and the rich kid down the street that just started skating shows up with a 10 wheeler and assimilates you?
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Post by Steve Collins » Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:51 am

Yes, the slalom train is headed right that way, all skaters on board. We've already been assimilated out west and all the beautiful people are already riding 6 wheeled boards. Don't worry, your fear can still keep YOU safe. Just pull the covers up tight so you don't feel the advancing 6 wheeled hordes grinding over you as they spread the new three axle gospel of freedom across the globe.

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Post by Kevin M. Gamble » Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:15 am

Is this the direction that the slalom train is heading? If it is, let me off at the next station. Maybe it's time to define what a slalom skateboard is.

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I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT . . .

Post by Wesley Tucker » Sun Jul 03, 2005 2:48 pm

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A CALL TO ARMS!!!

Post by Wesley Tucker » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:56 am

I'm up early this mornng for a number of reasons, not the least of which is getting some things done so I can head out to North Carolina for our session tomorrow at Hobby Park.

I got a "topic reply notification" in the mail during the night from another php bulletin board, http://www.SKATENC.com. Marion and I have been touting our event on this North Carolina skate website and I posted last night it looks like skaters from seven states are showing up.

http://skatenc.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php ... 98863bf020

So, here's what got posted in response:
Mizzark wrote:alright time's up get the f#@k out of here, this really isn't skateboarding and no one on here can relate to your slalom shit
So, anyway, I let it slide. Who am I to argue such a munificent talent as "Mizzark" about what is and isn't skateboarding? What would be cool is if 40 or 50 souls from this website went over there and let Junior know what "real" skateboarding is. C'mon, how about a little flame war with the kids down home? Let 'em know how you really feel. Blow their minds with some posts from all over the USA, a few from Canada and a European blitz of opinion.

Sure, they'll snip back with some tawdry bit of obscenity and probably misspell a few words, but let's not be shrinking violets. Nothing says that only kickflippers can be obnoxious. Let's all take a stab at it! Just like SS.com, you have to register to post, but unlike Jani's demanding criteria, you can post anonymously or straight up. It's up to you.

This is the "dark side" where the trash talk goes on. Why not spread the love?

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Post by John Gilmour » Mon May 23, 2005 5:23 am

I guess Friday the 13th was their unlucky day. Sounds like Mollica has a couple of imitators-

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Sat May 21, 2005 3:51 pm

I see Gilmour has started coaching the kids again:

http://www.local6.com/news/4502077/detail.html

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Post by alavoine jean paul » Fri May 20, 2005 6:24 pm

Wesley Tucker wrote:PEOPLE Magazine released this week it's List of "The World's Most Beautful People."

None of y'all are on it.
Have you really checked on the letter "A"???

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Post by Frank Henn » Wed May 18, 2005 4:51 pm

give em this link
http://www.gravityboard.com/pages/media ... llery.html#

And tell the kid to go watch gravity flow. When he can 360 flip a board 36" or longer then he can talk shit.

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The more things change . . .

Post by Wesley Tucker » Wed May 18, 2005 2:21 pm

There was a raging flame war going on the SKATENC. com website the past week or so (SKATEN-orth C-arolina.) NCL posted a message about the latest DHB video and the kickflippers went berzerk. Seems longboarding and slalom have no place on a "real" skateboard website.

Anyway, after these nimrods was shouted down by just about everybody in the Tar Heel state because skating is skating no matter what, Lenny posted a question, "So... uh (changing the subject from race relations in the U.S.) you guys like slalom skating?"

To which one of the locals replied with the following: "never really tried it but it looks like it would be easy because there aren't any real tricks but hard because of how small the board is"

It's funny reading. If anyone's interested, the whole thread is here:

http://skatenc.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php ... sc&start=0

Kids. Whadda 'ya gonna do wid' 'em?

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Post by Joe Iacovelli » Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:35 am

Crap 51 again, oh well.

Hey no pre race Red Clay smack?

Wesley are you out of your wheelchair?

I predict I will trounce Geezer X




in a chicken wing eating contest,

Joe

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:40 am

PEOPLE Magazine released this week it's List of "The World's Most Beautful People."

None of y'all are on it.

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Sun Feb 27, 2005 4:58 pm

Using "Mens Dual Luge" and "Poker" in the same sentence is a great way to find yourself in hot water with the F.C.C.

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