World Championship candidate: Brixlegg 2006 please read

[Ramón Königshausen]

Swiss democracy? Oukay...

Who are the seven councils of slalomskateboarding?

rmn

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

I have the excel table from the goverment at home. I can post it here, that everyone can see it.

I don't know how fair it is, if all member's can vote, or did i understand some things wrong ?

I think the organiser love the sport, and invest a lot of time for the slalom scene.
Deep in the hart, they want the best for the sport. The problem that we have now is, that there are some way's to promote and everyone think that his way/ his deal is the best. We have now to decide which way we want to take. That doesn't mean that any organiser shouldn't do his oven way, but what we need is the decision which way the comunity will take for the next year.

The organisers knows which point's are important. If we do it with the table, we have to declare the point's first. In the end we have all view's of the Sport in one table. And the point's has the number of their importance. After this you rate every race and we have the average of all views.

If all can vote, than it's about how many people can you motivate to vote for you !


Take the Swiss demokratie...


/J-Rad

[Jani Soderhall]

Sorry J-Rad, didn't see your post which was posted while I was writing.

Now there are two solutions to the voting problem.

/Jani

[Jani Soderhall]

How will the decision be taken?
By who and when?

I would suggest we vote using the ISSA membership (proposed in this thread). I intended to add an ISSA voting system to this forum, but haven't had the time to do so. We could still use the member list and their voting power (up to five votes per person). I haven't published the full list yet, but could do so quickly if this is considered a good idea. A rough estimate would be that there are about 80 votes distributed among 50 people. That's not a bad distribution. I think there is are more Americans on the list than Europeans.

In all fairness we should also let more members join and then open the voting for a limited time. Members could receive an email to make sure they don't miss out on the opportunity to vote.


Public or private voting? We can't make it completely anonymous as we don't have a system to handle it and we need to be able to "prove" it, should there be a debate. Maybe we could have a trusted source like Wesley to receive votes and produce a summary. Also he's unlikely to favour either side and he's not likely to come to the event, so no personal interest in the outcome.

Worth a try?

I assume Pierre and Donald gets the final word on this one. If one is for and one against, we could overrule that and consider that a Yes. I'm not sure we can find a more democratic solution, or?

/Jani

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

The decision should be taken like last year:

The point's are in the post above.
The organicer of the European races should make the decision, because they are working for this whole thing.

My Proposal:

We make a table with the points above. Every point of this get a number of importance from 1-10. Than every point will be rated by each organiser. At the end we have the result.
The Swiss Goverment works like this when they have to decide some things.

Ther is the time rule from the World Ranking which have to be observed.

We all know who is candidate for which Status. If we decide the Major, we should decide the Main's and Prime's as well.

The candidates:

Major:
Brixlegg
Antibes

Main:
Paris
Grueningen/Hinwil
Hannover
Riga (European Championchips)
others

Prime:
Stockholm
other's

/J-Rad

[Vincent Berruchon]

The topic is about: Brixlegg is candidate for the World Championships.
Only one other organizer Pierre Samray (Antibes, France) is candidate too.

How will the decision be taken?
By who and when?
There's no time to waste.

[Etienne de Bary]

Maybe ISSA could try to make partnerships with media that cover alpine snowboarding ?
(sorry for the off topic)

Arendt go with a "d" in it.
is there a poll going on at all ? Who's supposed to vote (i do not want to). Maybe there should be a more formal process ? (just asking...)

[Jani Soderhall]

Donald talks loud and fast, apparently to upset people. And Yes, it works!

/Jani

[Etienne de Bary]

yes

[Ramón Königshausen]

stop it

rmn

[Etienne de Bary]

didn't any of you ever wonder (jani,corky just to name a few) why people (poolskaters, street-skaters) see slalom as a "GAY" sport?

This is called "make the salad responsable for the sheep", a communication trick that has been widely explored be people like Adorno and Arent:
"why do everybody hate jews since ever ? There must be a reason." is the typical exemple, as you can guess.
it's actually just a way of lying and manipulating.

What should we do if some ass call us gay? We should laugh at them, bash them and watch them.
if we go to them open and friendly, in a power balance that is in their advantage, we will soon have painful rears.

[Jani Soderhall]

I wish we could put together a race like this in Paris. That would be awesome. Anyone interested in working on it?

We have started an initiative. If it will become reality is much too early to tell.

/Jani

[Ramón Königshausen]

Slalom will not get Xtreme sports TV channels coverage, because there is no high jump even if it's in the same event, no more than a few seconds and not necessarly in a tune we will like. We can only get effective coverage in regular sports channels -whatever we think about it (beurp).
Somewhere between ski slalom, alpine snowboarding, speed skiing, bobsleigh... it makes sense to open a window to DH speed racing, streetluge and slalom racing, and journalists who do that can show and explain what we do in a way that makes sense and that is attractive.

Perhaps we need to combine Slalom with DH Speedboarding and Streetboardercross?
Everybody of you has seen the MadCow annoucement-topic and many of you said something like:

Hummm I'd like to test this kind of race!!!

I wish we could put together a race like this in Paris. That would be awesome. Anyone interested in working on it?

topic

And I already suggested Donald to involve DH in his event not only because of the location...

whatever...

rmn

[Jani Soderhall]

THE BIGGER PICTURE

didn't any of you ever wonder(jani,corky just to name a few)why people(poolskaters,street-skaters) see slalom as a "GAY" sport?

Donald,

Thank's for personally inviting me to this topic (not being sure why I personally deserved the honour and thank's for bringing Corky along. He is a good friend of mine!).

I think I have quite a good idea of the BIGGER PICTURE. In the 80's I fought hard to get vert skating into the European Federation. I fought hard to get rid of the ice skating, mandatory routines in Flatland Freestyle skateboarding. I helped overtaking the responsibility of the European Skateboard Federation, causing the old one (too conservative) to disappear. I was the President for the NEW European Skateboard Federation (called AES, Association of European Skateboarders) for FIVE years, promoting ALL disciplines of skateboarding. During this time vert skating was given top priority. I helped coordinate and organize a fair number of events, including freestyle, vert and streetstyle events. Together with Corky we set a new level for European Championships of ALL skateboard disciplines in the 80's. Corky and I and Martin & Philip Willners (both of them Swedish skate legends) organized the Swedish Summer Camps to promote primarily vert skating. During this time modern street skating was born, evolved and eventually took off.

After a fair number of years spent looking after ALL aspects of skateboarding I noticed that I spent all my energy for the others and all I got as a slalom skateboarder was two runs of each 10-15 seconds of fun per event. Sometimes in a backyard, far away from the sound system or the audience. That's when I realized it was time to do something for us!

I don't mind the other skate disciplines, but with limited time available I prefer to spend that on efforts that will improve the fun and quality of slalom related events (including of course park slalom, which I love).

Being the age I am I accept that I have nothing in common with the everyday street skater and I don't think we should worry about getting them interested in our sport. They're doing their thing, just let them do it. We don't have to target any other group either. We should just keep doing what we do and if what we do is cool, then others will join. If not, let's just make sure we have fun while we do what we do!

/Jani

[Etienne de Bary]

Slalom will not get Xtreme sports TV channels coverage, because there is no high jump even if it's in the same event, no more than a few seconds and not necessarly in a tune we will like. We can only get effective coverage in regular sports channels -whatever we think about it (beurp).
Somewhere between ski slalom, alpine snowboarding, speed skiing, bobsleigh... it makes sense to open a window to DH speed racing, streetluge and slalom racing, and journalists who do that can show and explain what we do in a way that makes sense and that is attractive.

Same for printed press.
General public is more open to what we do than skate jumpers and other kinds of extreme jumpers and public. Whatever we like it or not, Xtreme sports press is very narrow minded: motorbike high jump (and crashing), Quad high jump (and crashing), BMX high jump (and crashing), ... Do they show motorbike regular racing, Quad regular racing or bicycle regular racing ? of course they don't. Same for skate.
If you manage to jump in the air with a school bus, a Fenwick or an agriculture machine they will give you coverage, if you don't jump you don't get coverage.

Vince if you think you will have fun in Brixlegg, go for it and have fun. Just great. in the most beautiful park and all, OK, OK! OK, have fun there, great ! show me the movies !


But Don's idea to get skate press coverage in a park/slalom fusion communication strategy is pure illusion: Xtreme sports/street skating journalists will just pick what fits their target and that's it.
i'm not doing controversy, Don is actually shouting like everybody's stupid but him, and he only will save slalom in a christic effort. But he is just fooling himself.

[Hans Koraeus]

Often you hear people say slalom is kind of "gay". Even slalomers themselves. Myself included. You sometimes wonder what that comes from. Do you ever hear someone say that alpine slalom is gay? Snowboard slalom is gay? Waterski slalom is gay? Rolleskate slalom...hmm forget about that, tennis is gay? Badminton is gay? Bowling is gay? Golf is gay? Dart is gay? Pool/billiard is gay?

How come the alpine slalomers look cool in their outfits and if you would have dressed a skater up the same way it would look horrible. For a while I thought maybe it's the tight stuff that is gay (hmm). But seeing Luca rip doesn't look gay. Actually seeing most of the good skater rip look great. I think the big problem is that if you don't do slalom good enough it may look gay. The same goes for other sports too but they don't show it off like we do. They only show the good stuff. Slalom events have been much of a social kind of a thing where everybody are welcome. Having high status competitions with whatever skater entering does not always give the cool image of the sport we seems to be wanting. A world championship should not be open to anyone. And even so in media/tv/mags they should only show the top 16 pros in the event and concentrate on the top 4. Thats when things might change. Have qualification and the booring stuff apart from the finals. Not at the same time. You can only have an audience on alert for so long. So let's give them a specified time frame. And let's give them the best that we as a slalom sport can offer during that time.

45 min quarter/semifinals to take out the top 4 in discipline 1,
10 min break with a show/spectable,
45 min quarter/semifinals to take out top 4 in discipline 2,
10 min break with show,
15 min finals discipline 1,
10 min break,
15 min finals discipline 2,
10 min break
10 min prize cermoni top 3

Already that is 3 hours. But with small breaks where people could go and have a drink and relax could make it work. And yes, another thing. If it's going to be really nice we have to build stands alongside the course where people can sit down. Filled up with people it would give the ultimate slalom arena. That would give the true serious image for us, sponsors, tv and magazines we all want. But that is only a dream for now...

Have you ever tried to get hold of a slalom image that look like we have a serious thing going on. Something that a big sponsor could get hooked on. I have tried and I have not found what I'm looking for yet.

P.S. Just remembered the one Farid took in Paris 2003 that got a spread in Concrete Wave. That was not so bad. But photos like that can be counted on my five fingers.

[Ramón Königshausen]

And WHAT are we gonna do now? Making tracks?

rmn

[Vincent Berruchon]

Ok, last one for me about that... Etienne, It's not Don or his friends, it's the common street skaters that will say that it's "gay" or "girls" or "asshole" or "old fat redneck" sport - usually the only reason is that they don't know nothing about slalom, have never seen slalom and of course have never tried.
Park slalom in the most beautiful park in Europe can be something they'll see, and at the same time they'll discover Giant slalom and if they try one of these, one day or another they will see that even tight is a real sport!
Don't you want to open the mind of these lost souls?

[Etienne de Bary]

Paris will be a big big event next year if everything is OK. Riderz will finally be for it again: me, Jani and a great team will work for that with the city. Big animations and big show, big crowd -more than ever-, but we don't think we can compete with Brixxleg.

Paris is not competing because it's too early in the season.

i do not make a controversy about mixed park/slalom racing, i like it fine as you know since we went to la Roche together. And i guess i would like it even better if i had a bit of practice...
i'm telling Don he's not doing himself any good treating us "gay" and posing the hardore macho over us.

Don's event may very well be the best possible thing for slalom, BUT if his friends think it's a "gay" sport. Maybe they think it's negro, girly and jew too ? Well i'd say we do not necessarly need to beg for their approbation, if so.

Well, this being clearly said,
Apart from that it actually sounds great for sure...

[Vincent Berruchon]

Some people seems to be still a bit confused by the way Donald say and announce things.
I know Donald a litlle now. What I can say is that he doesn't have time to waste and just want to do things fast and well.
Don't misunderstand him: he's not saying that he is the best but that he will do everything he can to do the best event possible.
It seems that it make nervous some people, but know that he works like a mad man, for slalom, skateboard and different other things.

I'm a bit surprised that Antibes is coming back for candidate now. But it's true Pierre ever talk about that long time ago.
I know well Pierre too and we can expect a nice event near the beach.
Antibes is a classic now and I'll come back there for sure.

Don't you think that we need some new exciting things for next year??
New blood - new energies.
Perhaps some slalomskateboarders aren't interesting by the park slalom because it's not a a discipline they're used too.. - I'm not but I really want to try (got to train for sure!!):
it's an incredible mix of all components of skateboarding and what a show!! Brixxleg is a world famous skatepark!!!
Anyway the others slalom disciplines will be present and we can expect the best about that too: long long giant and enough possibilities to have great special and tight.

Paris will be a big big event next year if everything is OK. Riderz will finally be for it again: me, Jani and a great team will work for that with the city. Big animations and big show, big crowd -more than ever-, but we don't think we can compete with Brixxleg.

In fact perhaps Brixxleg don't even need the Worlds, it will be a blast anyway! But the Worlds should be the most exciting race of the year... and all my expectations are in Austria now!

About Antibes, I lreally ike the crew and the place, so I'm a bit sad if they really want the Worlds. I'd like to be with them, but perhaps this is not the good year
and if I have to say something about the proposition: "la Salice" is definitely not a world class spot, flat..ok why not.. but also way too short! I'm sure you can find something better.

PS Etienne: what the use for polemic like that? You're searching to play a little game that won't help anything. And for your concern I was near to think the same that all the people you're calling "idiots" before trying -by accident- slalom (for the meaning, I won't stop on the term used)...
the worse is that you're just acting like the one you called stupid!

[Etienne de Bary]

you're just trying very hard to get people to vote against you. MAYBE it's a good idea to make big events mixing pure slalom with teenager targeted sports, but if they despise what we do, and if they are stupid enough to call "gay" what they think is not headslamming enough for their taste, maybe it's not the right time and the right place.
If they like to ride they'll come to us in the end, if their phisical condition allows it.

i've competed this season. i did good. i already jumped about 400 ranks up in the ranking during the summer and will get some more points for the Pirate slalom Race 10 days ago. i'm getting faster every day, it's good to be on the way up! 8P

[Donald Campbell]

etienne

heck yeah i am so diplomate with my sponsors.

that's why they love me,i tell people what i think.
people work with me because they know upfront what i think and what they can expect.

and to be very very honest to you:we all have the same way of talking,which i think is cool for me.
i know that you think differently and that my way of talking here on this forum offends you sometimes,but:"welcome to the outside world of skateboarding"

you would wonder but these guys are or have been skaters that have a street/pool background.
unlike you and a few other people these guys also see the bigger picture and they asked me what i would do to make slalom more interesting for them.
so i came up with the skatepark race and the nlongest gs course in europe.

it'snot only about being polite and asking for a bit
it's about "go for it"

yes,you could care less what other skaters think about you-absolutely right.


but in the end you will find out that your way of thinking didn't advance you any further up the road.
neither will you advance the sport with that kind of high-nosed attitude.

your description of any street-skater is an absolute insult-try to be a bit more open-minded.
i am working and talking with the top-pros of germany on a daily base-that's my businness.
i know 80 % of em man would i love to hear you say that to some of those "kids" .


but that's not the point of discussion,i was honest and said something you don't like to hear.

besides that i did not see you enter any contest this year,so what do you want to tell me?
i am sorry,but i don't/can't value your oppinion.


let's get back to brixlegg,please.

[Karl Floitgraf]

I think Brixxlegg would be a good WC because it's scheduled for the middle of summer, many juniors in the US and Canada can't make the second week of september because that's the start of school.

[Etienne de Bary]

didn't any of you ever wonder(jani,corky just to name a few)why people(poolskaters,street-skaters) see slalom as a "GAY" sport?

Do you know what Gina Lollobridgida thinks about mud wresling ?

i wouldn't care too much about streeters' opinions in general, but you quote some specific particular idiots. Whatever, homophobic teenagers with plastic knees and fucked up ankles are not to be considered particularly wise advisers.

AND i certainly would not change my behavior after being treated a gay, one has to be stupid! (whatever his sexual orientation.)
Does one have to become as dum as a paratrooper daddy trained parkskater to come to your event ?

Are you so diplomat with your famous sponsors Donald ?

[Donald Campbell]

THE BIGGER PICTURE


sad as it seems most of the people here on this forum who are in charge somehow fail to see the aformentioned header-topic.

maybe it's cool to have slalom going on in it's way as it is right now.
this will certainly limit it's growth to a certain level


did ANYBODY ever consider why this location i chose is combined with a skatepark and why we are having a race in that certain park?

talk about cross-promotion.
(peter klang had a good start with his bowl-contest this year,even though he did not follow the idea consequently through-nevertheless a very good idea)

did you know that the crew at hand for most of the orga is holding such big events as the ETNIES BOWLMASTERS?

i know that most of you don't even know about the importance of that event.

but,trust me,it's way bigger and more important than anything you have seen in slalom yet.

so i guess these guys must be experienced and i bet more experienced than anybody else in the slalom-sector i have seen yet.
i am giving these props to my friends in brixlegg without hestitation and i don't feel bad for doing that.

some people are cool with their own world,but i think that it is your responsibility to choose the right thing(yes-i am doing the right thing) in order to bring the sport to a new level and to new attention.


didn't any of you ever wonder(jani,corky just to name a few)why people(poolskaters,street-skaters) see slalom as a "GAY" sport?

it's time to change that image and the time is now.

i am offering my conncetions and my will to make a good thing happen,that's all i can do.

don't try to ridicule me.

[Ramón Königshausen]

Why don't you guys let Donald do what he's been announcing the last two or three months?
He's got the most facts together why he should get the WC. Only his experience or the amount of expected spectators (Antibes didn't have so many either!) might be the point to criticize.
It's not easy to overview these offers. Which will turn out how?


You'd better make already plans for 2007 instead of fighting against each other persisting on your plans for next year.

"Come together"...

rmn

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

My Vote goes for Antibes.

We all know what we can expact. And Pierre is one of the guy who restarted the new and old Slalom Scene with his Event in Antibes.

We know about the weather in Austria, it's like in Switzerland, it can rain every day.
We know the weather in Antibes, it's like in California.

And the important thing: No Slalom Scene in Austria !

/J-Rad

[Heiko Schöller]

My Vote goes to Brixxleg!!! Just look at the Pavel Forum and see what Pool/Bowl Don is building at the moment for his crew and friends. He managed to get carharrt paid that whole thing so that´s the best example for his organising talent. FSU

[Pierre Samray]

Well anyway Brixxleg will seem to be a great event where I will be there for sure.
If you keep all the promise you do you're a good challenger.
In front of words I have to compare fact : 4 years experience...with mistakes to learn each time. A solid crew. 5 responsable people to organise. More than 30 the d day on the race.
Who already come in Antibes? : Luca, Kenny, Jason Mitchell, Dong, Straubel, Hart , Konighausen, Price, Soderhall.... all this guy are or was in the 10 first world ranking
You can ask to all of them what they think about Antibes. It's fact no promise.
Actualy it's difficult for me to say how many price money we will have. "I'm working with xtreme sport since 20 years now and know how dangerous it is to announce SO early 10000 euros price money.... I think I won't be able to propose so much money.

We are used each years to see new important race project in Italia, Germany or Sweden.
The result isn't always so good the organisers expect.
About Antibes there will be no bad surprise.

[Donald Campbell]

brixlegg 2006

#1 10.000euros carhartt vans eastpak-the big sponsors
#2 me and chris hart are gonna show you how we think a big race should be held.chris' experience in organizing races speaks for itself in this case.
#3 munich and innsbruck airports are close by,brixlegg is located in tyrol,austrian alps,valley,outside event.
#4 accomodation goes from 20 -50 euros per night depending on what you want.20 starts with a real breakfast and private accomondation-which i can highly recommend.i did NOt find anything else comparable to this offer yet.accomodation will be reserved over the event page and in close contact to the local skatepark crew and the tourist office-everybody gets a room close by the tracks.
#5
dsf and a european channel will report from this race,posters and flyers will forecast the event.circulation through austrian and german skate-mags,shipping to certain overseas (us) regions too.
german skate mag
international skate mag
european lifestyle mag
will be featured on :
www.brixlegg-championships.com
www.carhartt.com
www.boardstein.com
#6
2nd edition.
first oine was very successful-ask the people who were there to witness the huge potential of brixlegg.maybe it's also unnecessary to do that-these folks already posted what they experienced.
general skate history-you gotta be kidding me...
#8
combined with a big skatepark race there will be a large crowd.
#9
longest gs course in europe-leading into a valley-see previous videos,already posted
frshly paved innercity course for special and tight.
perfect ground
start ramps?
you all know what i want and how much i critizise-so...you will see
free food and drinks by carhartt.
3 days
skatepark race super g special tight

the overall champion will be awarded the money after all events are over.
#10
skatepark race-once again
afterparty
#11
july 21st-23rd
#12
immediate broadcast of results through the internet-first day race results and pics.
most of you were unable to that yet.but this is so important.
the park race will definitely attract a lot of new kids/guys for the event-that's for sure.
i already have 20 kids signed up for the park race-20 FRESH young kids hahahaha
my promotion is based on and with serious skate-magazines/companies.
different from anybody else
brixlegg itself is gonna promote the event through their media presentation for next year as
a highlight during the summer season.
these guys are pulling some strings and putting very much effort into the project.i have a staff of approx.15 adults/skaters-by the way and 20 kids fromthe park for orga.
gesmer is time guru.
my american friends are 100% behind what i want to do.
i am following the ideas and visions of mccree and hackett when i'm doing this event-that counts for me as the biggest plus.
like it or not-that's the way it's going to happen,which will bring slalom definitely to the next level.
the contest will be invitational-since we are talking about the worlds here.
i will reserve the right to have 20 wildcards for amateurs and 10 for pros.
the courses will be set according to world-championship standards.
the schedule will be different from any other race i attended yet.no more wating here.


that's it for me i made a short rap up of points to "evaluate".
i have enough comments from serious pro-racers for my event.

basically i'm done with that subject-i don't want to bum anybody but brixlegg is gonna happen next year under the aforementioned format.
end of discussion for me.

[Hans Koraeus]

So then there are two proposals for the World Championships...
- Antibes
- Brixlegg
(Switzerland backing out)

So let the two candidats fill in the points for each proposal and let us all decide. It seems like both of them want to have it decided as quickly as possible.

1. Prize money / sponsors

2. Organisation
(experience, race responsible, No of persons in organization)

3. Location
(flights/travel, sourroundings, big city, countryside, wood, park, inside)

4. Accommodation
(cheap, helping out with reservations)

5. Communication/media
(TV, papers, magazines, web sites)

6. Racers
(last year level, coming from far away/long distance, other regions)

7. History
(What edition?, First one?, General skate history)

8. Large audience
(chance to get a big crowd?)

9. Race quality
(Surface, hill/flat, width, length, startramps, food/beverage,
shops, Disciplines#, days#)

10. Added animation/happenings
(Other events than slalom, demos, shows, parties)

11. Dates
(Worlds at what point during the season)

12. Other advantages[/b]

[Pierre Samray]

Hello I'm back still I have a big problem with internet and my computer (the storm before Antibes world cup one month ago) and see now it's moving a lot about the slalom world championship and I'm afraid that my silence during this passed month has broken a little bit my future project now.

At the begin of the year I have proposed Antibes to be world championship in 2006
We have now a good experience after
french cup in 2001
Euro championship in 2003
World cup in 2004 and 2005
This year was a transition and I organize alone the race. Those who were here can tell I know what a schedule is and how to respect it.

Now I see several organizer who want to be "world championship" in Europe next year. That's a good thing because by this way we are sure that we'll have a nice competition if first the city are racing to show why they must be choice. But I'm afraid I've lost one important month even if I was first in January to propose the "world" in Antibes. The big discussion start at the moment my computer die and I was not here to defend my race.
Yes only 40 racers in ANtibes this years without promotion and the concurence of Morrow but who forget the 175 racers I bring in 2003 with more media. Who forget the nocturn final last year with hundreds true spectators.

My question is : who decide at the end and when do they take the decision?
Because my staff began to work on 2006 edition now with media and sponsor and it's important to know which statuse we will have next year.

PROPOSITION 2006

PLACE : 3 days of races. One on the flat Salice parking and 2 on the Garoupe hill

INVITATION : The best racer of each country will be invited by the organisation (lodge, entry fee...)
ACCOMODATION : 100 places (about 20 euros by night with breakfast) front the sea in a Youth Hostel which we will totally reserve for the event and the racers.(200 hundreds meter from the race)
MEDIA COVERAGE : 2 national channel + 1 sport cable channel
Several radios and papers to cover the event
Several specialist magazine to cover the event
SPECIAL, TIGHT, GIANT, NATION's SLALOM and a CROSS COUNTRY round the Cap d'Antibes. Animation with child slalom, freestyle demo...
Barbecue on the beach with live music on Friday evening
Disco party in a private place on Saturday night (fever) ha ha!
AN OFFICIAL INTERNET SITE (ready soon)
SPONSOR : Donald have a nice list of sponsors. Well! for me it's a little bit early to annouce it but we have already started to prospect and Europe 2, Banque national de Paris, Pirhana drink, Desillusion Mag, Newrider, Nowave, Sector 9, Aluflex, Silverspace, Coneracing, SC8, Scult, Smallaxe, Desaxe, Dantonku, Sybergiecad, Texas Instrument, Fédération Francaise de Roller Skating, Nice Matin, Conseil general des Alpes Maritime...and other should be partners of the event.
And more important a big experience of the organisation now and it's may be the most important.

THE DATE : middle of September as usual. Good period to have the World Championship.
THE WEATHER : The only thing we can't control, but Antibes have better chance than (Paris, Stockholm, Grueningen, Brixlegg or other) just have a look to the past.
THE NATURAL SWIMMINGPOOL : Problem to keep the racers to the start when the sea is just 50 meters from the arrival. I see some wet swiss racer running to the start very in late this year.

I expect some of you will defend our project too.
Let me know here, I'm back now.

[Etienne de Bary]

But where's the irony ? Heikos' post is very right i think: we need more bigger contest that are combined with other skateboard contests or spectacular hardcore combined practices, like they do in Switzerland. This will help making our sport much more popular, like it is in Switzerland, won't it ? Heiko has really pointed something here, and we all agree

[Donald Campbell]

i was ironic too

[Etienne de Bary]

uh ? don't you think i was ironic or something ? i wouldn't dare...

[Donald Campbell]

with his overall good board skills,which are way better than the average-only-slalom-skater HEIKO would surely leave a mark there,but that's not the topic.
if you think mad cow is gnarly then you will see that brixlegg will be scary.
don't think it will be easy in any way what'S happening there.

skate lots of tranny,be preared to drop in at 12 feet into the deep-end.

how's that for starters?

etienne: you never been to brixlegg?

trust me absolutely-next year will be way hardcore.


or as a good friend of mine used to say:FSU

[Ramón Königshausen]

Hehe, Etienne you got it!

rmn

[Etienne de Bary]

Yes switzerland has the biggest slalom scene but other countries are coming more and more...the problem in switzerland is that most guys are only into that slalom thing and have no idea what skateboarding is all about. That is absolutly ok for me but nearly all guys from Germany have a "real" Skateboard Background and see some things differently.

Let me suggest you to participate the Mad Cow and Burning wheels boardercross events, i'm sure your true hardcore alloverskateness will beat all these slow onetrackminded swiss in the minute.

[Heiko Schöller]

Yes switzerland has the biggest slalom scene but other countries are coming more and more...the problem in switzerland is that most guys are only into that slalom thing and have no idea what skateboarding is all about. That is absolutly ok for me but nearly all guys from Germany have a "real" Skateboard Background and see some things differently.

We need more bigger contest that are combined with other skateboard contests or parks or whatever. Stockholm was the first thing where this really happend. The whole day Slalom and in the evening a two hour session at the pool. That was perfect!!!!!!

Don´t get me wrong this year in Grüningen I had although a really good time and we will come back that´s for sure but when I think of Brixxleg I must say this is the place to be and Don is the man!!!!

[Donald Campbell]

thank you very much jack!!!!
i will talk to you privately about several things and your part in the project.
corky:
when you reread my previous/numerous posts for b-legg you will find all the criteria one could ask for being fulfilled to the max.
so your spreadsheet should answer itself easily.
i'm not letting it all out of the bag now-only the stuff that is sure,more exciting things will follow/happen during this 3 day event yes it's gonna be 3 days now.
it's exciting it's fresh you will see a lot of new faces at the race tracks from the other side of skateboarding.

besides all that i am personnally putting 10.000 on the line racing against an industry giant,which has caused a major uproar in the german media scene and which will get some articles also in thrasher magazine next year.

the circus just started opening its doors

[Hans Koraeus]

Here is the text I have put together concerning event statuses at www.slalomranking.com.
Rules/Definitions/Setting Region Competition Statuses

There are listed a couple of points that we have used before when comparing event proposals.

Time advance rule
The time advance rule was new for 2005. It was a try to make sure event organizers has a carrot to put their act together in good time. The higher status they ask for the earlier the slalom community need to know. For a Major it was set to 4 months. I.e. the status has to have been decided at least 4 months before the event starts. These minimum limits was not set very hard since it was the first time. But I would gladly make them tougher when the slalom organizers are ready for it. The sooner statuses are set the better it is. Both for racers and the organizers themselves.

If we think organizers are ready for it I could propose (in the World Ranking rules forum) to make the minimum advance limits for Major and Main statuses harder for 2006. But are we ready?

Current limits
Major: 4 months
Main : 3 months
Prime: 2 months
Basic: 1 month
Plain: (no time advance needed)

New proposal for 2006?
Major: 6 months
Main : 4 months
Prime: 2 months
Basic: 1 month
Plain: (no time advance needed)

World Championships
How to deal with the world championships is nothing that has been regulated in the world ranking rules more than that the yearly World Championship should always have Major status.

The current consensus seems from now on to be to alternate it between the east and west Atlantic regions.

For world ranking statuses in general the rules are that the regions should themselves be responsible for setting them. But for a World Championship one could imagine it is of interest also for racers outside the given region to have their say.

[Jack Smith]

From what I've been reading, it looks Donald has a great venue and some healthy sponsors lined up. He is correct about companies setting their sponsorship budgets at this time of year.

I admire his enthusiasm regarding the 2006 Worlds. I offer him my support and any knowledge I have gained over the last five years.

[Sam Gordon]

To an outside observer, it would appear that we have two organised and energised Europeans with very different skills that could assist in making a very good World Championships.

As Chris Eggers pointed out, they should work together in some capacity to make the best of their qualities so as to benefit the community and develop the sport.

Donald brings marketing knowledge to the table with encumbant old school attitude. He has experience of oganising skate events outside of the racing scene and has contacts that can reach new school environments so that the racing is seen as an integral part of the developing European skate scene.

In other words, it can be put on the map within the sport through using the sport associated sponsors.

J-Rad has excellent organisational skills, has contacts and sway with both local government and external sponsors in order to fund at least two great events a season; Greuningen and Zurich.

The Swiss Slalom scene is possibly the most vital in Europe, other areas need waking up.
Jadranko represents this youthful, but developed, culture and has a natural empathy with a younger audience. The long-term future of the sport if you like. If he was to be given the World Championships in three years time (after Brixlegg and USA) then he could start the marketing early and milk the in-sport sponsorship that will have been developed by Donald.
Donald, for his part, could act as a kind of 'executive race developer' and direct his sponsorial contacts in J-Rad's direction.

The sooner each race organiser understands that the other has plenty to offer and makes said skills openly avaliable, whether it be J-Rad's (typically) smooth political approach or the BIG MOUTH comminication skills of Donald, then the basic tasks of each organiser should be made easier. An outsider might view this as an international collusion representative of a mature and established sport. One in which it is worth investing.

Assistance between two parties never works out as a perfectly equal input, neither should it be expected so to be. But co-operation could bring better results that could reflect well on both organisers and their respective events.

With their energies pointed in the right direction, the next few years look very promising!

[Donald Campbell]

j-rad

i don't want a subscription on brixlegg anyway

one of my thoughts and intents was/is to have the worlds rotating from venue to venue.

that is what i want to see in the future.

yeah everybody has had some entertainment now,let's move on....


on the decision and your proposal jani:

most of the decisions made here ore anywhere else-if they ever happen at all-are made way too late.this is a fact at the moment and absolutely unquestionable.


some decisions,once they are made,also demand a longer time to fulfill promises that are made with the decisions.
right now sponsors are setting their budget for next year.

so i can't and won't wait for the benefit of all people involved.

no ego-tripping from my side either.

i think we have seen enough people supporting the idea i presented-that counts for me as a "YES".
i can pull in more people from the american side who will support brixlegg.
i've had my share of e-mails from friends who DON'T visit here,but are important to the scene.so-enough of that"are there any more who want to say a bit?"
you all know that i have a loud mouth,but i'm more than willing and able to back it up.

see "pavel" see the biggest private pool in germany-once it was a dream,i made it true with the help of loyal supporters and believers.

that's how things happen:fast without lots of questioning and discussions.


there's no other way to move forward-if you want to see movement.


i am not asking you to follow me blindly,but i am asking for commitment.

the website is in progress....a few days left-i'm all over it.


when you bring other cities into discussion always remember:i DO have 4 different tracks at the moment.

you need fresh blood?
you got it-make the best out of it.

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

We will make the way free for Brixlegg and see what Don can do.

We will promote the sport with a race series here in Switzerland, perhaps in 3 year's the World's.


That is what i wanted to say and that is not fair. I will finish now.

the question i have right now is:who can make a bigger and better event in europe?

what i am offering has never been offered before.
if there's anybody out there who can top my package,please let him speak up now or never.

[Ramón Königshausen]

Note: Switzerland's got the biggest slalom-scene. Here it will be much easier to get more people into our "sport" than everywhere else....

rmn

[Jani Soderhall]

No sour arguing please, but let's discuss!

When Jack decided to offer the Worlds to Europe I expected we'd see three candidates:

1. Switzerland, J-Rad, deserves it the most. For their numbers, for their participations, for their race organizations. Central to everyone in Europe.

2. Antibes, good venue for Giant / Super G, a regular event that attracts good participation and good reviews.

3. Brixlegg, the runner up. Offers everything, but a newcomer in terms of large slalom events.

I don't know if Antibes is still a serious candidate, but let's give them a few weeks to make up their minds.

Maybe we should bring out the checklist that was brought up about a year ago to discuss major events in Europe. It could be useful once again. Even if most have an idea on how to cast their vote, it's always good to run through the arguments, check the details and know what to expect before we vote.

No matter what the outcome is, it'll be good. Once the decision is made we'll all stand behind it.

/Jani

[Donald Campbell]

i don't even know what's happening here
i stick my ass out of the window,talk to people,try to get things done the right way,announce way ahead of everybody else.
j-rad you're claiming the worlds?

then say it,don't wander around the pie all the time

man

i'm not here to defend my position nor am i willing or ABLE to back off from my position.

yes brixlegg is different thatn grüningen-it has a FUCKING BIG SKATEPARK-known by all the us-pro-skaters-famous as can be
yes brixlegg has an infrastructure which i could not see in grüningen
and yes i do have two of the biggest names in skateboarding involved
my target group are the skateboarders around the world who read mags why don't say "slalom" on their cover i am doing a crosswalk to bring slalom to a certain level of attention among all the other skaters who might think this is gay.

i am over with this discussion absolutely over
i am starting to get really pissed when i read all this crap.

i will get hints from a few people to behave and calm down-i know that.

but hey...

i am honest to the bone about what i want to do.

j-rad do your thing promote it in switzerland cool stuff

let me have the rest of the world to pay attention to what i am doing this is ok.

did you ever read and combine all that's gonna happen on that magic weekend?
i even have positive go from the usa.

hey... i'm out of this discussion

i never meant to attack you in any way,but i find that you are really making me sick with all the stuff you post-i don't want that to happen j-rad,i like you too much for that.

this is also NOT my attempt to profile myself in any way.
i am so stupid,why do i even try to pull the event off?

man


absolutely embarrassed to say the least


but i'm gonna do it no matter what you say,ok?

live with it
come to the race
have a good time

over and out
don

[Chris Eggers]

I don´t believe it!

You guys better sit on a round table have a few beers and divide the next 4 years of World Champs between you.
For decades we did have NO ONE to organise these except Jack and now you are working against each other.
NO NO NO!

I don´t believe it! Don´t do this. Talk to each other.

Please.

F.....ing unbelievable..............

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

There will be nothing in Croatia this year.

I don't know how you can't see the spot ? It's this road where the inliner are skating.
I know, it doesn't look steep on the video, but i skated there before two weeks and i footbrake twice, because it was to fast. I skated the GS in Morro last year, and it is as fast as the SGS in Morro.


Because of the international coveriges.
We are talking about the target group of Slalom, about the spectators ! And they are in our region. No one will come from another country to watch a slalom race.

That's what i'm talking about:






Brixlegg is a smaler town than Grueningen, in Grueningen there was less spectators. We made a new koncept how we want to promote our race's. The pictures are the result.

You saw the video of the Giant Slalom Spot Hinwil. Are there people or aren't there people ?
More than 5000 spectators.

That are all fact's !


I think all the work which Donald do is good for the sport. I'm shure he can do a good event. But, how does he communicate it's not Okay !

I need time to get my things together, i will do my race if i have the World's or if i haven't it.

Corky did the rules, who long before the World's had to be definite... I don't think it has to be done now...


/J-Rad