I will soon close down this 2005 status forum for USA East so that you all can concentrate on the coming season. Europe is well under way already for 2006 even though there are one more knot to untie.It is not about how you feel...it's about being fair.
[2005] Region West Atlantic: USA East
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Corky wrote
"Funny enough, if I where in your shoes maybe I would have thought like you do. And if someone of you where in my shoes maybe you would have thuoght like me."
I just want to reming everyone that WES E is still looking for a left size 8 with a non puffy tongue.cf
"Funny enough, if I where in your shoes maybe I would have thought like you do. And if someone of you where in my shoes maybe you would have thuoght like me."
I just want to reming everyone that WES E is still looking for a left size 8 with a non puffy tongue.cf
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Chris Bara, you do man! The RACING STARTS TOMORROW IN NORTH CAROLINA! ARe you Down?
And the crowd screams, "WE ARE FREAKIN DOWN!"
And the crowd screams, "WE ARE FREAKIN DOWN!"
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Corky came up with the system...
Corkly manages the site....
The case was made to change the points for the race....
It was a denied....
It's within the guidelines to deny the request...
done deal
let's move on
We're missing the forest for the trees...it's the race that's important, .....the race would be here even if there were no point system..
It'll probably be ranked higher next year...but this year, we'll all be able to say we were there for the first Dixie Cup Weekend
let's skate
Corkly manages the site....
The case was made to change the points for the race....
It was a denied....
It's within the guidelines to deny the request...
done deal
let's move on
We're missing the forest for the trees...it's the race that's important, .....the race would be here even if there were no point system..
It'll probably be ranked higher next year...but this year, we'll all be able to say we were there for the first Dixie Cup Weekend
let's skate
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Jack,
I didn't know you were eurofobic.
My point of view has nothing to do with any special region. I hope Donald and Steven are proof enough for it.
As I said in another thread:
1. I can follow the rules and get shit for it.
2. I can break the rules and get shit for it.
I prefer the first.
Funny enough, if I where in your shoes maybe I would have thought like you do. And if someone of you where in my shoes maybe you would have thuoght like me. Right now my mission is not to be nice but being fair and square. I have been quite hard towards others as well and I just have to follow it through now. If I would have been forgiving against others before you would have got your status but now it wouldn't feel right.
I didn't know you were eurofobic.

As I said in another thread:
1. I can follow the rules and get shit for it.
2. I can break the rules and get shit for it.
I prefer the first.
Funny enough, if I where in your shoes maybe I would have thought like you do. And if someone of you where in my shoes maybe you would have thuoght like me. Right now my mission is not to be nice but being fair and square. I have been quite hard towards others as well and I just have to follow it through now. If I would have been forgiving against others before you would have got your status but now it wouldn't feel right.
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look forward !
After a hint by Claude in a topic concerning the race status discussion for european races I felt invited to quickly overfly the posts above about the DHB Dixie Cup.
Here is my comment from Europe.
Corky,
by all the respect for Your work:
What makes it so hard for You to bend the rules in this case and give the prime status to this race?
I appriciate the fact that You want to be fair, Corky. That is what rules are good for.
But do they help anybody in this case? Did anybody offend the idea of passing a given status over to another supstitute race?
Corky, You know better than me that this sport is developping and with it the races. We better don't stop this, should we?
Adapting the rules to a given evolution without creating advantages or disadvantages for anybody is not a crime.
It helps to motivate those people putting efforts into organizing good races.
Corky, why don't You give back the same respect to these guys and support them as they respect Your role in this game?
Good luck to You race-organizers!
Here is my comment from Europe.
Corky,
by all the respect for Your work:
What makes it so hard for You to bend the rules in this case and give the prime status to this race?
I appriciate the fact that You want to be fair, Corky. That is what rules are good for.
But do they help anybody in this case? Did anybody offend the idea of passing a given status over to another supstitute race?
Corky, You know better than me that this sport is developping and with it the races. We better don't stop this, should we?
Adapting the rules to a given evolution without creating advantages or disadvantages for anybody is not a crime.
It helps to motivate those people putting efforts into organizing good races.
Corky, why don't You give back the same respect to these guys and support them as they respect Your role in this game?
Good luck to You race-organizers!
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Pat,
That sounds well thought out.........
As for Donald Campbell, all I have to say is he big supporter of the DHB and is a sponsor of the Dixie Cup. I definitely support his efforts in doing a Worlds in Europe.
66: Dude, Im crushed. Man you will be missed but I hope your family gets feeling better and everything relaxes a bit for you...last time we talked you sounded stressed brother...and I know what stress is. There is a great deal of stress trying to live up to the pre race hype this thread along with other postings and muses has blown the Dixie Cup up to be! You will be missed.
Jack, Thanks for working hard for the skaters in this fight.
That sounds well thought out.........
As for Donald Campbell, all I have to say is he big supporter of the DHB and is a sponsor of the Dixie Cup. I definitely support his efforts in doing a Worlds in Europe.
66: Dude, Im crushed. Man you will be missed but I hope your family gets feeling better and everything relaxes a bit for you...last time we talked you sounded stressed brother...and I know what stress is. There is a great deal of stress trying to live up to the pre race hype this thread along with other postings and muses has blown the Dixie Cup up to be! You will be missed.
Jack, Thanks for working hard for the skaters in this fight.
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Proposal to break the deadlock.
It doesn't have to be all Prime or all Basic. This is a case where the rules don't meet the needs of the skaters, so let's make a new rule:
Rule 103.4.5 subsection D, paragraph F, ammended: If an event is cancelled, the contest organizers within that event's region may make a proposal to substitute another event. If the proposal occurs before the advance-notice deadline, then the full status of the cancelled event can be transferred to the substitute event. If the proposal falls after the advance-notice deadline, then the substitute event can obtain an event status (and proportion of ranking points) 1/2 way between the cancelled event and the substitute event.
If this contest were a Prime event you could get 1.5 times as many points as if it were a Basic event. I propose that this contest get 1.25 times the Basic event points as a compromise about 1/2 way between Prime and Basic. Call it "Primarily Basic" or "Basically Prime" or something else.
This might be a reasonable compromise between the strict rule-followers and the "let's do what's reasonable"crowd.
OK?
-- Pat
Rule 103.4.5 subsection D, paragraph F, ammended: If an event is cancelled, the contest organizers within that event's region may make a proposal to substitute another event. If the proposal occurs before the advance-notice deadline, then the full status of the cancelled event can be transferred to the substitute event. If the proposal falls after the advance-notice deadline, then the substitute event can obtain an event status (and proportion of ranking points) 1/2 way between the cancelled event and the substitute event.
If this contest were a Prime event you could get 1.5 times as many points as if it were a Basic event. I propose that this contest get 1.25 times the Basic event points as a compromise about 1/2 way between Prime and Basic. Call it "Primarily Basic" or "Basically Prime" or something else.
This might be a reasonable compromise between the strict rule-followers and the "let's do what's reasonable"crowd.
OK?
-- Pat
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civ,you are right.you could stick all of europe into the atlantic east region.you could stick all of the U.S. into 1/2 of canada,you could stick......you get the picture.cf
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Corky, you have been thanked numerous times by many people (including me) for all your hard work on the rating system.
There is no problem here. You don't need a loophole. All you need to do is announce that the NC race is a prime event, it's your deal no matter which way you want to spin it.
The only two people objecting to the status change are from Europe...
Coincedence?
There is no problem here. You don't need a loophole. All you need to do is announce that the NC race is a prime event, it's your deal no matter which way you want to spin it.
The only two people objecting to the status change are from Europe...
Coincedence?
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but seriously, who gets hurt if we get a prime? The euro`s? no they have plenty of races, more than there are big points for, they are also all within driving distance basically.
North America is HUGE!!!!!!!!! it takes more time and $$ for us to attend races, that and the fact that we dont have as many races or chances for points.
I know that I might as well yeall this to a brick wall, but what the hell.
give us a break.
North America is HUGE!!!!!!!!! it takes more time and $$ for us to attend races, that and the fact that we dont have as many races or chances for points.
I know that I might as well yeall this to a brick wall, but what the hell.
give us a break.
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When was it officially announced that the WV race was cancelled?
Wesley,
If you cut and paste small parts of texts you loose the big picture. That's why you are going in circles.
Unforgiving,
Yes rules tend to be that way.
Unwillingness,
I don't want to set myself over the rules. It has nothing to do with unwillingness. In that case I would not have put all this time trying to dig into this problem and trying to find a loophole big enough to use for you. Instead of trying to blame me for this situation in the last minute you could thank those (including me) who made sure you were getting your 2 Mains and Primes ready in time for you at all.
Wesley,
If you cut and paste small parts of texts you loose the big picture. That's why you are going in circles.
Unforgiving,
Yes rules tend to be that way.
Unwillingness,
I don't want to set myself over the rules. It has nothing to do with unwillingness. In that case I would not have put all this time trying to dig into this problem and trying to find a loophole big enough to use for you. Instead of trying to blame me for this situation in the last minute you could thank those (including me) who made sure you were getting your 2 Mains and Primes ready in time for you at all.
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....and we still wonder why slalom isn't popular among skateboarders 
y'all have fun in Statesville, my wife has to be out of town this weekend and my kids are recovering from the first virus of the school year so no points for me..........
somebody (Marty) stop by JR Cigars and tell Lou I said hello

y'all have fun in Statesville, my wife has to be out of town this weekend and my kids are recovering from the first virus of the school year so no points for me..........
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J-Rad, maybe you should have asked a little sooner or come over to America for support.
There are fewer events here with high status for us to gain points from. Why should we lose a prime race points if there is a replacement event. especially if it is in the same region.
Some of the rules need to be modified and exceptions added. I really don't care. I've already personally be screwed with points by the rules.
Jack, maybe the times from H2H should start to be used tomove you up. It would add to the head games exitment. Imagine the guy in 16th or 32nd moving up an bracket if a faster qualifier falters.
Let's put the racing back into the racing, EH!
Ya, Ya, I know!!!!!!!!!!
C-ya'll soon........................
There are fewer events here with high status for us to gain points from. Why should we lose a prime race points if there is a replacement event. especially if it is in the same region.
Some of the rules need to be modified and exceptions added. I really don't care. I've already personally be screwed with points by the rules.
Jack, maybe the times from H2H should start to be used tomove you up. It would add to the head games exitment. Imagine the guy in 16th or 32nd moving up an bracket if a faster qualifier falters.
Let's put the racing back into the racing, EH!
Ya, Ya, I know!!!!!!!!!!
C-ya'll soon........................
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Jad,
Every other sport that I am aware of, that uses a head to head format, awards points in the manner I posted above. So there are systems that gives the same points to more than one racer.
Yes, the qualifying rounds are the time to make a fast "qualifying" time, however, that's all it is, a qualifying time.
You wrote: "The H2H is a bit tactical, you needn't to give 100% when you race as 1st against the 16th."
Yes that is true, but it has no bearing in what I'm proposing. We are not using times from the head to head to place racers who are eliminated.
If you and I are both eliminated in the same round, why should I place ahead of you based on my qualifying time? We are racing head to head, we are not racing for time at this point.
I also feel that in H2H racing only the racers who qualify for the finals should receive points.
As for NC, the race that was supposed to be a prime event was cancelled. The NC race is on par with the the cancelled race. The NC race could easily be awarded prime status.
Every other sport that I am aware of, that uses a head to head format, awards points in the manner I posted above. So there are systems that gives the same points to more than one racer.
Yes, the qualifying rounds are the time to make a fast "qualifying" time, however, that's all it is, a qualifying time.
You wrote: "The H2H is a bit tactical, you needn't to give 100% when you race as 1st against the 16th."
Yes that is true, but it has no bearing in what I'm proposing. We are not using times from the head to head to place racers who are eliminated.
If you and I are both eliminated in the same round, why should I place ahead of you based on my qualifying time? We are racing head to head, we are not racing for time at this point.
I also feel that in H2H racing only the racers who qualify for the finals should receive points.
As for NC, the race that was supposed to be a prime event was cancelled. The NC race is on par with the the cancelled race. The NC race could easily be awarded prime status.
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What is wrong on the points ?
all the Racers eliminated 8, get's there placement from their qualifying time. There can't be a system which gives the same points to more than one racer.
At the qualifying it's the time to make a fast time.
The H2H is a bit tactical, you needn't to give 100% when you race as 1st against the 16th.
For the rules of the Worldranking.
I organiced the Event in Zurich. There were two more prime statuses left for Europe. We announced the Event more than a half year before. But no one talked or did somthing. When we started to promote the race we were a bit too late for the Prime. There were a lot of Top Racers there, but it was only a Basic Status.
There are rule's and the rules should be adhered to.
/J-Rad
all the Racers eliminated 8, get's there placement from their qualifying time. There can't be a system which gives the same points to more than one racer.
At the qualifying it's the time to make a fast time.
The H2H is a bit tactical, you needn't to give 100% when you race as 1st against the 16th.
For the rules of the Worldranking.
I organiced the Event in Zurich. There were two more prime statuses left for Europe. We announced the Event more than a half year before. But no one talked or did somthing. When we started to promote the race we were a bit too late for the Prime. There were a lot of Top Racers there, but it was only a Basic Status.
There are rule's and the rules should be adhered to.
/J-Rad
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Absolutely Unbelievable!
Your arm must be getting twisted mighty hard Corky.
Your refusal to bend on this subject is very similar to your unwillingness to consider changing how you award points in dual racing.
For those of you who don't know how this is currently handled, finishers 1-4 are awarded points on their final placings. Racers 5th and below are awarded points based on their "qualifying" times. How can a racer that hasn't defeated anyone else in an elimination round be awarded more points than another racer elminated in the same round?
Racers elminated in the round of 8 should get equal 5th points.
Racers elminated in the round of 16 should get equal 9th points.
Racers elminated in the round of 32 should get equal 17th points.
I have went round and round with Corky on this matter and he refuses to budge. I guess like making the NC race "prime", it just makes too much sense.
The rankings system is Corky's deal, and he can manage it as he wishes. The NC situation has a slight odor of protectionism.
Your arm must be getting twisted mighty hard Corky.
Your refusal to bend on this subject is very similar to your unwillingness to consider changing how you award points in dual racing.
For those of you who don't know how this is currently handled, finishers 1-4 are awarded points on their final placings. Racers 5th and below are awarded points based on their "qualifying" times. How can a racer that hasn't defeated anyone else in an elimination round be awarded more points than another racer elminated in the same round?
Racers elminated in the round of 8 should get equal 5th points.
Racers elminated in the round of 16 should get equal 9th points.
Racers elminated in the round of 32 should get equal 17th points.
I have went round and round with Corky on this matter and he refuses to budge. I guess like making the NC race "prime", it just makes too much sense.
The rankings system is Corky's deal, and he can manage it as he wishes. The NC situation has a slight odor of protectionism.
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It was a different race. It was our second attempt. This year The Texas Slalom Sizzler will be our third race. Last weekend in Feb. We are shooting for Central Texas, Conroe, Austin area. Easier for more skaters to get to. We have been blessed to have had Ricky Byrd and Keith Hollien come down to the sticks to race with us . If anything else they lit a fire, the slalom stoke was ignited. December 11th we are gathering in Austin to have an Outlaw session and also to welcome some more members to our Team The Texas Outlaws. I am so stoked that slalom is catching on in this part of the country. We had to follow the rules
BUMMER. This year we plan to announce the race by December, have insurance, participants, lots of cones, starting ramps, timing system, coneheads, spectators, sponsors, prizes, The Texas Cup, shirts. LONG LIVE GRASSROOTS SLALOM. Corky thanks for the time you invest in the Ranking System. NC wish I could be there. Your Amigo Eddy Texas Outlaws.

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Hans Koraeus wrote: Eddy, I could make an exception with the "Time Advance Rule" for your Texas competition since you did post it quite early and that you didn't know about that rule until January and that you soon after that published the date. But... quickly write a post in the "West Atlantic: USA West" topic and lobby for your event the best you can and why you think it is worth that Prime status. If there are no protests or even some positive remarks you might have your Prime. And if you think you can get 8 pros coming down to your competition it would be a great point in your favor (and for World Ranking points as well).
so why the change now? you seemed more compassionate then. Different race, similar situation.
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why not use this as the time to come up with a more forgiving way for us to deal with this.Does anyone not attending this race really care?cf
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Hans Koraeus wrote: - 27 Oct 2005 22:52 - The NC race was officially announced a little bit short of the 2 month limit. That you could have been forgiving with.
Well, it's now going in circles, so there's no need to continue.Hans Koraeus wrote: - 02 Nov 2005 00:10 - For now a cancelled event means no points to the world ranking. The status is not lost if the whole event is cancelled. You can use it again for another event. But the same rules count for that other event as well concerning time limits etc.

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The rule is quite simple. A Prime status should be officially announced in this World Ranking Forum no later than 2 month before the event.
In the Rules section at www.slalomranking.com there are some topics made specifically to help event organizers. This is what is says:
For now a cancelled event means no points to the world ranking. The status is not lost if the whole event is cancelled. You can use it again for another event. But the same rules count for that other event as well concerning time limits etc.
I agree we could come up with a better and more forgiving way to handle situations of this kind. I will start that discussion with a proposal in the rules forum soon. But for now the current rules are the ones we have to live with.
In the Rules section at www.slalomranking.com there are some topics made specifically to help event organizers. This is what is says:
It has nothing to do with weather a prior competition has been cancelled or not. Neither of how much work you put into the event or who is coming to the event in the end. And it's not a "completely unforeseen circumstance". It's just gets to be very hard rules for this circumstances.2. Getting a WR status for the event
An event counted into the world ranking will always have a World Ranking competition status (See Rules/Definitions/World Ranking Competition Statuses). These statuses should be set in advance. If you are aiming for the higher statuses like Major, Main or Prime you should lobby and work for your cause in good time in the World Ranking Forum (See also Rules/Definitions/Setting Region Competition Statuses). There are time limits and possible discussions to be aware of. The time limits are there because they may attract more skaters from the outside regions and requires more planning in advance for travel and taking time off.
For now a cancelled event means no points to the world ranking. The status is not lost if the whole event is cancelled. You can use it again for another event. But the same rules count for that other event as well concerning time limits etc.
I agree we could come up with a better and more forgiving way to handle situations of this kind. I will start that discussion with a proposal in the rules forum soon. But for now the current rules are the ones we have to live with.
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My 2¢ worth
OK,
Here's the way I see it:
1. Corky has put a tremendous amount of work into his World Ranking system. Personally, I think it works well.
2. There are RULES regarding how a race is positioned.
3. The DHB Dixie Cup was scheduled late but the organizers have excelled in putting together a tremendous event.
4. The Mountain State Slalom Skate was CANCELED.
So, in summation, is there a rule on the books regarding how to handle a Region's race status if an established event is CANCELED? If there is a rule, does it apply to this particular situation and if there is no rule, why can't the situation be handled in a manner that benefits the racers participating in the event?
In reading everything I have found regarding the World Ranking System, my conclusion is that existing rules are being used to determine the status of a completely unforeseen circumstance.
I'm still not going to argue with Corky about how things should be or not be, but I will have to chime in on this whole discussion with one observation:
There is NO detriment in awarding the MSSS' CANCELED PRIME STATUS to an alternative event such as the DHB's Dixie Cup.
Anyway, that's the way I see it.
Here's the way I see it:
1. Corky has put a tremendous amount of work into his World Ranking system. Personally, I think it works well.
2. There are RULES regarding how a race is positioned.
3. The DHB Dixie Cup was scheduled late but the organizers have excelled in putting together a tremendous event.
4. The Mountain State Slalom Skate was CANCELED.
So, in summation, is there a rule on the books regarding how to handle a Region's race status if an established event is CANCELED? If there is a rule, does it apply to this particular situation and if there is no rule, why can't the situation be handled in a manner that benefits the racers participating in the event?
In reading everything I have found regarding the World Ranking System, my conclusion is that existing rules are being used to determine the status of a completely unforeseen circumstance.
I'm still not going to argue with Corky about how things should be or not be, but I will have to chime in on this whole discussion with one observation:
There is NO detriment in awarding the MSSS' CANCELED PRIME STATUS to an alternative event such as the DHB's Dixie Cup.
Anyway, that's the way I see it.

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Aye
Aye second the motion, and I am not Canadian.
Any non-european objectors? (chirp...chirp....chirp....)
So?
Any non-european objectors? (chirp...chirp....chirp....)
So?
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i concur with jack and claude.the sport is bigger than any person or rule.if it is up to us,and the responsiblity is up to us(as corky stated)than i propose we take the risk of irrevocably damaging the "rules" and award DHB/NC race prime status.cf
Can i get any one from the east region to second the motion?
Can i get any one from the east region to second the motion?
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I said it once and I'll say it again, Kind of!
Corky, since the system is still in it's infancy and we want it to be strong there is no reason that the unused status could not be awarded to NC.
Regardless of the date of actual NCDSA registration or not. It was talked about for several months and most people had it on their event calendars since early August. It's not like a lot of people are really able to make a Slalom race in Novemeber anyway. Adding a Prime event in December is Bogus whether or not it is dated before the cut-off.Quote:
Europe could very well have missed out on two if not Stockholm would have taken advantage of the situation and organized an indoor event in December.
Let's get real here. The rules are there to show some degree of organisation. Bending them when there are legitimate reasons to can only benefit the entire scene. Most peoples season ends at different periods as the weather permits. Why don't we drop all the points earned for any races that were'nt completed in their entirety as set out in the schedule of events. We want to reward the racers. Why don't we force all organisers to have the contest registration held on one site?
Well we also need to award the organisers for a job well done. Are there any Europeans that would have come over for the race had it been announced earlier? They couldn't make Morro Bay. The World Champioships of 2005, remember? What about dropping the status of the European Champioships of 2006 since it was announced later then the 3rd Annual Dovercourt Open on the same date and ours will again be a Prime status event.
Until we have a full slate of events fighting for all the big points i think they should be awarded as merited.
It Doesn't matter whos is going? It's an event! A big one as it turns out! Cut thecrap. There is no way it should not be allowed to replace the West Virginia race. Duh! Umless Dave Gale is objecting and we know that ain't happening,EH!
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Corky,
Should I venture a guess where the "objections" are coming from? Or will you be so kind as to tell us. No need to mention names, just a broad geographical region will do.
I have a hunch that if Barker, Michell and Hollien were not coming to the NC race, you would have not received any objections...just a guess.
Should I venture a guess where the "objections" are coming from? Or will you be so kind as to tell us. No need to mention names, just a broad geographical region will do.
I have a hunch that if Barker, Michell and Hollien were not coming to the NC race, you would have not received any objections...just a guess.
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Jack,
Yes to your answer. But even if there were none it doesn't mean there are people thinking it. I understand if people don't want to do that openly. It would not be seen as very nice even though correct. If I would have said "yes take the Prime status, why not". I'm sure others would start argue the other way around. So what I say doesn't mean a thing. I will take the punch either way. Luckily I'm a good blocker since I don't think it's me saying no, it's the rules.
Kevin,
You are quite right. You were on the right track alright but it seems nobody cared at the time, except you. I had never seen that before since it is not a topic I had followed. I was very close to balance over to give it a Prime when I read it. Even though it was the wrong topic (it should have been in this topic). But as I said, some bending is ok. But then I read on and found this post. Apparently Dave Gales event was not officially dead as one can think reading your post.
In the end you are responsible for your own region. It should have been you to manage that internal quiz. It's the very core in this system to make the stauses offical here so that everybody can see it and plan ahead. If you think World Ranking Statuses are important then the rules are too. If you don't care about the statuses then you do not have to care about the rules either.
Yes to your answer. But even if there were none it doesn't mean there are people thinking it. I understand if people don't want to do that openly. It would not be seen as very nice even though correct. If I would have said "yes take the Prime status, why not". I'm sure others would start argue the other way around. So what I say doesn't mean a thing. I will take the punch either way. Luckily I'm a good blocker since I don't think it's me saying no, it's the rules.
Kevin,
You are quite right. You were on the right track alright but it seems nobody cared at the time, except you. I had never seen that before since it is not a topic I had followed. I was very close to balance over to give it a Prime when I read it. Even though it was the wrong topic (it should have been in this topic). But as I said, some bending is ok. But then I read on and found this post. Apparently Dave Gales event was not officially dead as one can think reading your post.
After that I balanced over to my old stand point again. I agree with Troy that if one care so much about that Prime status one should have stood up for Kevins line early on and it would have been a go go. Unfortunately since it was not in this topic I couldn't see it and perhaps many others. And because the other Prime event was not cancelled officially it didn't help either. For me it was still on and that's why I said to Marion he could not have it since it was already occupied. But now we know better. It's always easier when you have the result in your hand.Marion Karr 2005-9-15 15:57 wrote: I emailed Corky and we can not get the Prime status that some had suggested we ask for. Frankly, being that this is our very first race promotion I think staying Basic is the right way to go...and out of friendship and respect for Dave Gale who is core DHB and has been so helpful, we should do everything we can to help him put on a race if possible so that Prime race would be available on the East Coast.
In the end you are responsible for your own region. It should have been you to manage that internal quiz. It's the very core in this system to make the stauses offical here so that everybody can see it and plan ahead. If you think World Ranking Statuses are important then the rules are too. If you don't care about the statuses then you do not have to care about the rules either.
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I was originally thinking along the same lines as Troy..."F* it, who cares, lets race"...
especially since i'm not in a points hunt and really dont give it much thought
but...
The WV race was cancelled long ago. The east has nothing to designate as a "prime" race (i dont think, what was Athens?) This race replaces WV demographically, geographically, and uhh...calender-ographically
And Jack is correct. The sport is growing quickly east of the Miss......this race may become our Hood River
especially since i'm not in a points hunt and really dont give it much thought
but...
The WV race was cancelled long ago. The east has nothing to designate as a "prime" race (i dont think, what was Athens?) This race replaces WV demographically, geographically, and uhh...calender-ographically
And Jack is correct. The sport is growing quickly east of the Miss......this race may become our Hood River
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Nothing personal and no need for sarcasm.
I'm merely pointing out the obvious.
I would like it to be a Prime race but I also think it's a bit late for that now.
Then again maybe not. I'm sure it's no big deal to do that, but I'm also sure that there would be quite a bit of whining if it happened.
All avoidable.
I'm merely pointing out the obvious.
I would like it to be a Prime race but I also think it's a bit late for that now.
Then again maybe not. I'm sure it's no big deal to do that, but I'm also sure that there would be quite a bit of whining if it happened.
All avoidable.
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Troy,
Man, you're on to me. I currently rank about 423rd.
It's not about my points. It's about the east coast not having a "prime" race. You guys and gals have a very active slalom scene and the DHB's have put together this fine event. Yet, it is not allowable to change/bend the rules to allow this race to take the place of the WV race.
Man, you're on to me. I currently rank about 423rd.
It's not about my points. It's about the east coast not having a "prime" race. You guys and gals have a very active slalom scene and the DHB's have put together this fine event. Yet, it is not allowable to change/bend the rules to allow this race to take the place of the WV race.
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prime status
I asked the question in this forum in August:
24 Aug 2005 11:28 Statesville, Winston-Salem November races
Since the MSSS '05 is on hold, could this race be considered "prime"?
24 Aug 2005 11:28 Statesville, Winston-Salem November races
Since the MSSS '05 is on hold, could this race be considered "prime"?
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"That's why it's now important to have an indoor backup for big races. "
Does this mean that if a prime or main race is moved indoors it would still retain it's status and have the same points awarded? Please tell me you're not serious.
Back to the NC race, Corky why won't you answer a simple question...
Is anyone objecting to having this race declared a prime?
Does this mean that if a prime or main race is moved indoors it would still retain it's status and have the same points awarded? Please tell me you're not serious.
Back to the NC race, Corky why won't you answer a simple question...
Is anyone objecting to having this race declared a prime?
so hansolo what do i need to do next year that i did not do this year to get my race something else than a basic?
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Marion,
You are on the right track. Let's come up with some clever rules of how to handle situations like this and even worse when an event rains out. With the current rules it's hard having time to organize or propose a new event within the time limits. At least for races towards the end of the season. I'm sure something good can come out of this. With the current rules the disaster will come sooner or later when a whole Main or Major event is cancelled by rain for example. That's why it's now important to have an indoor backup for big races.
I'm sure we can figure something out for 2006. It's rare that events get cancelled or that results is impossible to register. But it does happen and will happen. So let's have a set of rules ready for those situations.
Mike,
It's already set up like that. It's up to each region to set their own statuses. I'm only there to help out with the rules and to make sure it happens. But it's all in your hands basically. To make the NC race Prime for 2006, or Main. It's up to you. I have no saying in that.
You are on the right track. Let's come up with some clever rules of how to handle situations like this and even worse when an event rains out. With the current rules it's hard having time to organize or propose a new event within the time limits. At least for races towards the end of the season. I'm sure something good can come out of this. With the current rules the disaster will come sooner or later when a whole Main or Major event is cancelled by rain for example. That's why it's now important to have an indoor backup for big races.
I'm sure we can figure something out for 2006. It's rare that events get cancelled or that results is impossible to register. But it does happen and will happen. So let's have a set of rules ready for those situations.
Mike,
It's already set up like that. It's up to each region to set their own statuses. I'm only there to help out with the rules and to make sure it happens. But it's all in your hands basically. To make the NC race Prime for 2006, or Main. It's up to you. I have no saying in that.
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let me say that corky is awesome for doing the rankings in the first place,but situations like this show how much we need to step up the need for a better system.we went for prime in chicago this year,but were denied because prime was filled in the east region(this included MSSS).its cool,its growing,we need to grow with it.cf
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I think i'm a bit confused here. Marion had talked about holding a race for a while, but it wasnt "serious talk" until Dave Gale made it clear that the West Virginia race wasnt going to happen. At that time, Marion stepped up and said he'd hold it in North Carolina...this script can all be found somewhere on SS.com or NCDSA.
Since West Virginia and North Carolina are both in the smokey mountains, i thought the DHB race became the mountain-state-slalom-series race (the true name of Gales race)...
There's only one race in the smokey's each year...that race is always at the tail end of the season...Isnt Marions race being considered the MSSS championship?......we're all looking at it that way...
Smokey mtns.....big talent pool....end of the season.....Fayetteville or Statesville....it's still the same spirit....
Lastly, since the WV race was cancelled a while back, and many of us can only afford to do marginal traveling, not replacing the WV race with a similar venue kinda gives us right-coasters the short end of the stick, no?

Since West Virginia and North Carolina are both in the smokey mountains, i thought the DHB race became the mountain-state-slalom-series race (the true name of Gales race)...
There's only one race in the smokey's each year...that race is always at the tail end of the season...Isnt Marions race being considered the MSSS championship?......we're all looking at it that way...
Smokey mtns.....big talent pool....end of the season.....Fayetteville or Statesville....it's still the same spirit....
Lastly, since the WV race was cancelled a while back, and many of us can only afford to do marginal traveling, not replacing the WV race with a similar venue kinda gives us right-coasters the short end of the stick, no?

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Count The Texas Outlaws in as well. Let NC take the place of WV on the point standings. From what I understand have read, and have heard from fellow competitors Dave Gale did his best to promote our sport, he invested his time, heart and soul into his race, even if it was raining, the race went on. Marion has chosen to take on the task of putting a race together. He is STOKED to be doing this. Being a promoter is not an easy ordeal, but you do it anyway. Mainly because it brings a smile to your face at the end of the race when the winner is annouced and lifts up the trophy. Anything is possible. Corky GO FOR IT BRO. Your Amigo Eddy Texas Outlaws.
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Corky, maybe you should move to the US and become a politician. Of course you can change the status of the race, you're the one who enters the points.
It would be not adding another prime status race, it would just be taking the place of the WV prime status.
If this race is not awarded prime status, it will be very dis-heartning.
Once again, I ask who else has objected to making this a prime status race? I haven't seen any objections here, are you receiving emails objecting to the proposed change?
I join Marion and Keith in their praise of all that you do for the sport.
It would be not adding another prime status race, it would just be taking the place of the WV prime status.
If this race is not awarded prime status, it will be very dis-heartning.
Once again, I ask who else has objected to making this a prime status race? I haven't seen any objections here, are you receiving emails objecting to the proposed change?
I join Marion and Keith in their praise of all that you do for the sport.
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Hey, that's a great idea! The 1st Annual Downhillbillies Dixie Cup is actually the Mountain State race just in a different state....DAve G is DHB. This is a DHB event. Therefore........Joe Iacovelli wrote:Would the story be different if Dave Gale had announced that he was "moving" his race instead of canceling it?
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