European Races 2006

[Hans Koraeus]

The 1st GOG race, the 27th of november, have been confirmed here for long and nothin in the calendar nor slalomranking events.
Prime status was asked, the race confirmed.. so what's up again? Just forgotten?

As for the world ranking the calendars at slalomskateboarder.com and ncdsa.com counts. And e-mails to webmaster@slalomranking.com of course. The only problem with this is the slalomskateboarder calendar because you can't see when they where posted. These posts are deleted.

As for statuses above Basic level (i.e. Prime, Main and Major) they have to be discussed and ok'd in the existing World Ranking forums that exist for each region. For Europe that is here (for 2005). And here (for 2006).

I tried to find the post about the Gog race Vince but didn't manage to find it. Please give us the link to it.

I will add the GOG race to the slalomranking calendar.

[Chris Eggers]

Sorry Vinzzzzzzz
so busy with the 2006 calender I forgot about 2005...............

It is in.

Chris

[Vincent Berruchon]

The 1st GOG race, the 27th of november, have been confirmed here for long and nothin in the calendar nor slalomranking events.
Prime status was asked, the race confirmed.. so what's up again? Just forgotten?

If it's a problem of bad annoucement again, perhaps we should think about adding a form for organizer to declare their event. That would be the official place to ask for a status (mail form should be available too).
instead of sending email where you can + annoucement here or here or here..

It would be easier for the one who managed too. The organizer fill the informations and the "manager" validate it if OK.
You ever have the database, just need a few more webpages.

[Chris Eggers]

12 European Races in 2006 and 2005 is not over yet.

How is that!

2006 will be too short...........thats for sure.

[Detlef Rehbock]

hey corky, i am confirm with you. i don´t want to change something at the world ranking system. for hannover it´s o.k. to get the prime status again.

hey all you slalom skaters in the world. be prepared for a powerweek of slalom action in two of the most attrative european nations. which nations? it´s your choice.

france and germany
or germany and switzerland

hey and what´s about grueningen? why don´t you call it the swiss world cup in zürich.
and then you have the race in grüningen? that sounds better for foreign skaters. everybody knows where zürich is.

[Chris Eggers]

Just to correct things:

Grüningen 2002 Chris Linford set a course that was not used in the race. It was decided that it was too challenging for most of the racers because most of them did not make it to the 5th cone.

2003 was set by me
2004 was set by Chris Linford again
2005 was set by Ramon

[Ramón Königshausen]

Main or Prime.
Don't forget that the statuses are only for the World Ranking and for trying to build up some sort of world balance. Nothing else.

World Ranking statuses
The statuses we discuss are only for the world ranking and it's cause. I have said before that you can't solve everything with the world ranking beacuse it works from a whole other perspective. What is missing is a European Cup or American Cup with their respective ranking. There all events could have the same status and there could be a lot more events included because you only have to consider your own region.

you spread out a few good points, corky...

rmn

[Hans Koraeus]

This is a text from www.slalomranking.com concerning statuses...

Some regions with a high level skateboard slalom scene may very well set up 10 competitions with a high level field of skaters. For those in the local region it is not a problem attending them all. But for out of region skaters it is. This is why each region has to filter out those who will have a higher status and extra points to fight about towards the World Ranking. That way out of region skaters can make a better judgement of their travel plans. In some regions going to a lower status competition may very well have just as high a level of field as a higher status competition. It's just that the World Ranking points to earn are lower.

The world regions and the number of fixed statuses for a specific region is likely to be discussed and changed over time depending on the development of the world slalom skateboard scene.

Main or Prime.
The difference is not that big. It's like if you can't get a Main status your competition is worth nothing. This is wrong. Don't forget that the statuses are only for the World Ranking and for trying to build up some sort of world balance. Nothing else. Not to decide how good or bad the event is.

World Ranking statuses
The statuses we discuss are only for the world ranking and it's cause. I have said before that you can't solve everything with the world ranking beacuse it works from a whole other perspective. What is missing is a European Cup or American Cup with their respective ranking. There all events could have the same status and there could be a lot more events included because you only have to consider your own region.

Travel
The current World Ranking system is built to encourage travel. You should be forced to travel out of your region to do well on the world ranking. If not why call it a world ranking. With more statuses on your home ground it will not stimulate travel as well. Even now it's hard because time and money works against it.

How much to demand of the racers
In the end it's a question of how much time and money we should demand of the top skaters. Now for Pros you have to enter minimum 4 events during the season. All others only 3. If the racers are ready for it we could demand more of them. Of course all organizers want all the best racers to come to their event. But we must think about the racers as well. How much should time and money count towards the quality of racers. Even with the current system very good racers from regions with not many high status competitions around are having trouble. But at least they know where to put there money when they do make the travel. In a system where it depends of who is there the unbalance is too strong.

New World Ranking systems
It's extreamly difficult to get a system that tries to balance everything out. I think the current system is doing a good job at that. That's why before changing it you must be aware of the consequenses. There are many changes to the current system that I have wanted to do but didn't do because it affected other things in a bad way.

We now have three years of competition data in the World Ranking database. Anyone who want to make use of it to try and figure out a better system are welcome.

The USA East problem
1. I can stick to the rules and get shit for it.
2. I can break the rules and get shit for it.

I prefer the first option.

The European problem
Our problem here in the Europe region is much more difficult because everybody follows the rules but we still have to filter out a couple of events. Not so much for ourselves but for all those far away and out of region skaters to know the facts before paying lots of cash and time for travel here.

[Donald Campbell]

right on
vinzzz is da man
sounds like a power-week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Steve Hinzen]

Vinzzz, this sounds great!

F....k the status of this race! I'll be there!

With Hannover the weekend after a super-week of slalomraces is ahead!

[Vincent Berruchon]

Riderz and the CDRS75 (parisian comitee of the french federation) booked the Trocadero slopes from the 25th to the 28th of May 2006.
So we are thinking about a four days event, but we have to work more on the schedule before telling more.
You'll also be happy to know that we're trying to block another street just near the Trocadero to organize a long Giant Slalom (or Super G).

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

I think you didn't understand my post about the look of the skaters.

The point of the athletic discussion is, if you want to make it professional, you need racer's who are athletic, not in the way the sprinter is. No one will be interessted to see some big guy's on a skateboard.

It wasn't about the look of the skaters or the scene now.
It was about the future.
I was asking what a big race is ? asking what the big Step is in Slalomskateboarding. What Donald is talking about. No one answered. My interpretation was Professional.
If you want to make it (Slalom) Professional, than you need racer's who are athletic (like Luca, Maurus, Maysey, Mitchell, Seyffhart and so on). Not in the way the sprinter is.

Professional = Big Sponsors = you live from Slalom Skateboarding. To do that, you need athletic racers.

It has nothing to do with the topic here, so let it byside.

J-Rad

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

I fully agree with PK.

/J-Rad

[Claude Regnier]

Peter, I know I was watching it at the sk8park.

We got cable.

When I get back from north carolina I will buy the Projector and set-up our in park 16' wide bigscreen for live events and premieres.

Okay back to your regular programming.

[Stefano Bellingeri]

I fully agree with Peter Klang.
This is the way the status of the events has to be decided: from the world ranking status of the riders.
I really think that this way has to be followed in order to avoid unpleasent situations among the organizers. Moreover this should boost the participation to the whole season. The only constrain is to be sure that top riders will participate to a lot of events, otherwise common people do not get the possibility to climb the ranking.

Concerning the athletic perspective, please I do not care about big, fat, slim, tall, etc, aspect of the rider: the point is to be fast. If you are not in shape, drunk and fat "probably" you won't be that fast. If you care about being in shape you will have more chances to be fast. The more shaped you are the fastest you will be and spectators will be more interested in watching your PERFORMANCE (and NOT your beauty).

Now, in order to try to be FAST, I gonna train: may be next season I will be faster...otherwise next winter I gonna drink....
Enjoy the evening!

Stefano

[Ramón Königshausen]

was it challenging when Chris Linford set the course in 2003 ?

Yes it was, ask some rider's who skated the course.

I quickly asked myself and answered: Though Grüningen 2004 (when Chris Linford set the course, too) was my second event I participated as a pro I didn't find it that challenging - I became 4th place at my SECOND pro event....

Anyway, everybody may feel different about that (and about everything else at a contest...)

rmn

[Detlef Rehbock]

oh man, it´s so exhausting to read all that stuff. we are talking about races for 2006, not for the look of skaters.
please don´t change the modus of world cup ranking and of the number of main races.

Peter, i agree with you. We need this committee.

The committee has representatives from ISSA and big race organizers, each having one vote.

This committee can discuss about rules and status for races. but let us discuss the season2007
it is to late for 2006 to change the system.

you guys talking about main status for hannover. at the moment it´s not sure that we have a race in 2006 here in hannover. if paris decides to have there race in june, we don´t have the place at the expo. at the moment they probably have there race in may. vinzz wrote, they know it tonight.

if you want to organize a real main race you need time to do a good job. if paris will have there race in may, we organizing a world cup in hannover ( for sure, better than this year)
but.... i don´t need the main status for this race, maybe in 2007

we had a good race this year and we will try our best for 2006. after that a committee can decide, if we get the main status for 2007. prime is o.k. for 2006

peace and keep on skating

[Peter Klang]

I would like everyone to take a few seconds and read this, think about it and come back with constructive points. This it not a proposal I expect to be embraced as is, it is a format from which we can start to make status setting and World Cup Ranking points more understandable and fair.

• All competitions where 16 of the 32 top ranked racers attend will receive Main status. Regardless of geographic location or date.
• All competitions where 8 of the 32 top ranked racers attend will receive Prime status. Regardless of geographic location or date.
• All competitions where 4 of the 32 top ranked racers attend will receive Basic status. Regardless of geographic location or date.

This way it’s simply up to the promoter to do a great job in promoting and running the competition, if a promoter attracts a lot of racers he/she deserves a high status. If a race by history is great we all come, like Paris, therefore it’s a Main.

• The European and American Championships should be decided by each continents itself, as for the Euros I think it should be in different countrys evry year. The Location should be decided before New year by the commitee.
• The committee has representatives from ISSA and big race organizers, each having one vote.
• The World Championship should be in Americas every other year (2007) and in Europe (2006) every other year, until other regions get to a level of slalom racing where they can organize such event.
• The decision of location should be made in the same fashion as the American Championship and/or the European Championships.

The World Ranking system can be kept as is or apply the same system as Vert and Street skating. We would have to have a multiple for statuses to make it fair. The winner gets 1000 points for second place you will recive 900 points and third 810 and so on, loosing 10 % to every place you fall behind in the results.

The multiple for races can look something like this;
• Major ONLY the World, European and American Championship. 1,2
• Main 1,0
• Prime 0,8
• Basic 0,6

I really want all of you to think about this and come up with ideas and comments.

Your pain in the ass
PK

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

was it challenging when Chris Linford set the course in 2003 ?

Yes it was, ask some rider's who skated the course.

As i say before, i personaly don't care about the status. I haven't race in 2005 and i will not race in 2006. But there are others top Riders who want to have a main status in Switzerland.

Feel free to organise a World Cup race in Switzerland. We have 4 national event's at beautiful location's arround Zurich and one World Cup in Grueningen, even when there is only a basic Status left.

I think it's not about the race track. At every race track the fastest rider will win, even when the cone distance is 20 feet.

[Ramón Königshausen]

Yes, Switzerland deserves a Main status because it's got a very big slalomscene.
But as long as this contest is held in Grüningen, sorry J-rad, it won't become more popular.

Everything what you are confirming and proposing about the contest in Grüningen may be true and is of course a certain advantage when you compare to some other contests.
But Grüningen is still somewhere at the countryside though it's very close to Zürich.

Look at the race track. Would it be challenging without my course setting?

I understand your arguments but some people don't...
Your contest seems to be the same old story in a new dress, it won't change the others minds.

[...]

Call me, Jadranko, if you wanna get a bigger picture about that.

rmn

[Chris Eggers]

Oh dudes, this is getting out of hand..........

skateboarding is a sport or not, don´t care

look at the athletes in it, hahahaha

Duane Peters, not exactly a role athelete

Big guys: Richie Carrasco, Neil Blender, Ben Schroeder (BIG GUYS), Tony Hawk (remember the old pic at DelMar with the elbow pads as knee pads, where he looked totally sick with sacks under the eyes?)

There are all kinds of skaters

dirty clean fat skinny short long big small male female young old black white yellow green
all have in common to have fun, don´t kill that for us

Do not care, let´s skate and be happy

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

It must be strange, when you didn't read the whole sentence.

there is a very important word there "if"

before you interprate something, please read the sentence a second time.

[Sven Lippert]

i`m follwing these discussions about the worlds and all this organization crap since a few weeks but now it turns into a strange direction "nobody is interested in seeing big guys on boards" ... is my image right for your fashion parade ??? ... no big guys allowed ... richy stay home ... oh my god ... only testosterone approved 100 % sporting guys please ... no more smoking and no more beer ... shit happens mates

sport sport sport ... here we go

thats maybe slalomskateboarding i don`t know

SOME THOUGHTS OF A SHABBY AM SOMEWHERE AROUND 250 IN THE RANKING

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[Jadranko Radovanovic]

besides that your pro course has been done by ramon-he did an excellent job by the way.

Yes, the Gruningen competiton grow with a lot of inputs from many diffrent people.
Ramon makes the best courses, that's why he is setting it in Grueningen.

Grueningen is in the aglomeration of Zurich.
7 minutes to the lake of Zurich
14 minutes to the old town in Rapperswil (first heard in 8000 somthing)
15 minutes to Zurich
30 minutes to the airport.
40minutes and you can snowboard down the mountains

Every 15 Minutes you have a bus to all this places. Yes from Grueningen, the bus company is in Grueningen, the garage for the buses is there.

I' don't want to speak with you about this things, because you don't know what exist here and what not. If you want i can give you the adress of our local Tourismus agency where you can have more infos than i can give.

The Fact is:

- last year 92 rider's
- all the top rider's from Europe
- in the middle of Europe
- the swiss scene is behind the World Cup
- the swiss scene want to have a Main in their country

Btw Donald.
The competition in Grueningen isn't my competition. I'm only 1/15 of the organisation who organise this competition.

The point of the athletic discussion is, if you want to make it professional, you need racer's who are athletic, not in the way the sprinter is. No one will be interessted to see some big guy's on a skateboard.

/J-Rad

[Donald Campbell]

ohohoh
hey j-rad nothing wrong with sharing one's thoughts on the internet.
i gave my take on the situation-nothing else,so cool your jets.
besides that your pro course has been done by ramon-he did an excellent job by the way.

you won't change the fact that grüningen is a bit off the map.
in return you will say-of course-that brixlegg is remote,yes,right,but it does have its attractions,plus a good functioning infrastructure which is non-existent in grüningen.
i can't see the point of your super-athletic dudes here in this discussion,etienne.i think that's not the major focus of my thoughts previously posted.

please refrain to the main points of discussion.
at the moment we are trying to find a solution for existing problems and this discussion is no platform for anything else,just accept it and try to give postive input.

marion has worked his ass off to make his downhillbillie event happen,he has a problem which needs to be solved.
maybe corky can use some of my input on the problem which was my main foucs on this post.

FSU
DON

[Peter Klang]

Claude,
Alfie scored 6 (4+2 ass) point last night.

Proposal 3
Paris 25-28 may
Gruningen 9-11 june
Riga E.C 1-2 july
Antibes W.C september

We get a well spread out season whith a great final of the year in Antibes.

Proposal 4
Paris
Hannover
Gruningen
Riga
Brixlegg
Antibes

ALL MAIN


I think however the status should be MAIN for all competitions with more then 16 of the top 32 in the world rankings from 2005. I don´t expect anyone to go my way but I think the system need to be more flexible.

Keep promoting your gig.
PK

[Etienne de Bary]

If you are speaking about a remote place on the map than you are a bit wrong ! you will be faster from Grueningen to the Materhorn, than from the Airport in Paris to the trocadero.
Zurich is 15 Minutes away...

Maybe you wanted to go by car or something, but the Trocadero is a few minutes away from any airport by the subway, of course if you take a cab during rush hours, that's another problem...

...

Concerning the man with muscles: This man got used to see his self esteem and feelings, his physical shape and recuperation, general health and all biological functions and rythms, all regulated by injections. Whatever is exactly injected nor he nor us will ever know, but he will have serious trouble changing this habit after the end of his very short career, and he will also face all kinds of health difficulties caused by side effects, particularly depression, ruined kidneys and cancers.

Slalom is not in the general bio-human-experimental athletic circuit... i personally find it particularly remarkable that it is not possible to decide wether if the body of Luca is in itself more powerful than the body of Richie, Jani, Chris Hart or Kenny, sometimes it makes me wonder if what we do is actually a sport... and i wish as strong as i can that it will go on like this as long as i have anything to do with it.

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

Donald,

What is the defination of the size of a race ?

What was different between the spectators in Antibes, Stockholm and Grueningen.

If you are speaking about a remote place on the map than you are a bit wrong ! you will be faster from Grueningen to the Materhorn, than from the Airport in Paris to the trocadero.
Zurich is 15 Minutes away...

unspectacular-track:
Ask Luca which was the most challenged course in 2005 !

I don't know what you understand under growing the sport.
Is it a growing if we have Carhartt or any Skate Lab which sponsored 10'000 Eur for one contest ?
Why is carharrt sponsoring the Streetskate Tour ?
Because there is a big market for them to sell their stuff ! It's all about promoting their stuff. And in the Streetskating are a lot of people who buy this stuff!
Why aren't they sponsoring us ? because we are only 800 people world wide ! What do you think how much Olson and Hackett would cost to have them only for the pool race ?

Look on the numbers of rider's from the last 3 year's at the contest's.
Ask Maurus, ask Chris, ask Olson about Grueningen

The status will nothing change in Grueningen. We make a slalom competition, we are the main envent, not only a side event, we are only concentrating on Slalom.

But think about the rider's in Switzerland ?
Perhaps they want to have a Main Status in their country ?
They are the most representatives at every Contest here in Europe.


I will be happy with a basic Status ! Look at the Zurich race which rider's were there for a basic race.

By the way: Did the F1 change they rule during the season ? A change is a good thing, but for the fairness it can only change in the end of the year.
democracy ?

I hope there will be some rules when we debatt about the Statuses for 2007, this is of course bad, how it was done this year.

Don, If you want to make it Professional, than first our bodys has to look like this. Than you will be intresting for the sponsors...


esthetic, isn't it ? Do you see the muscels ?

[Marion Karr]

Donald, Thanks for your support. The DHB is working hard to put on a race worthy of such a status and with Dave G not being able to put on the MSS race we are filling that void. Dave G is a Charter member of the DHB and is going to be our primary time keeper this weekend at our race. Dave G has already attended 4 other DHB functions this year alone.

Thanks for your support. The DHB supports you.

[Donald Campbell]

2 points corky:
#1
downhillbillies-they deserve their demanded status more than anybody else does at the moment,give them what they want-my oppinion.
#2

now we are talking about flexibility

regarding main statuses i would suggest that the main status goes out to paris and hannover also.
in the ranking the better score for a racer who attends both races will be going to count-that would be the easiest solution.

as the sport grows,the choice of locations also grows.if we are all lucky it will be even tougher for anybody to decide whcih race gets main and which not.
from their size both,paris and hannover,are a must be main-race,especially hannover had an immense amount of spectators,there's no denying that.
maybe my idea is not that bad and the rules could be changed easily for your needs in order to keep everything coordinated.
as we are talking about the quality of a race here is a result of conversations i had with different skaters not only from germany:
besides the quality of a race itself the "touristical" aspect is a dominant factor in any racers decision to enter any given race.so on that scale i would go and say that either paris or hannover or stockholm or antibes are a must.i can't comment on riga ath the moment,but next year.grüningen is not on that list,since this place is really a remote spot on the map in switzerland.zürich would be nice ,but not grüningen,since this place only offers a race with a very unspectacular race-track.the orga was good,but that's not all people are looking for..





i often watched the discussion about slalom going to the olympics,therefore i want to derive a few aspects from other sport events which are not skateboard related.
#1 olympic games are never held at the end of a season
#2 world-championships-there are quite a few as i see it



just some food for thought,mainly the flexibility is important,coming back to the original purpose of my reply to your post.
without flex some systems might be hindering the evolution and growth of a sport.

next year could be a main stepping stone for the system to show how good it can be.


reducing paris to a prime is unthinkable at the moment.
giving detlev a prime would be absolutely unfair and short-sighted-he was the king of spectators with a solidly organized race.
antibes well pierre is at the end of the season,good place for a good ending of the season.

stockholm would be also cool for next year again-why not?

[Claude Regnier]

C'mon, let's get real here.

It's not even in any of your proposals, one or two for 2006. You show nothing in several months in your spread out scenario.

Let's add a new rule no Prime or Main status events outside of April to October then? Sound fair? Of course not!

I do like the fact that some people can fly round trip for $12.00 Canadian. But getting England to take advantage of that fare would add another $1,200.00 EH!

Psst. Hey Peter, Alfie is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We will lend him to you in February, EH!

[Hans Koraeus]

Now when there are so many organizers aiming for the 4 highest statuses there are a couple of points that can help sorting it out
- Spread them out over the season
- Spread them out geographically
- Spread them out over odd and even years
- Avoid same country getting more than one of the highest statuses


Spread them out over the season
It's good if we have the races spread out over the season. This gives us maybe four season zones over the year. May/June, June/July, July/Aug, Aug/Sept. Races in the same date zone compete against each other.

- Zone May/June
Paris, May 25-28
Hannover, June 3-5
Gruningen, June 9-11

- Zone June/July
Riga/Jurmala, July 1-2

- Zone July/Aug
Brixlegg, July 22-23

- Zone Aug/Sept
Antibes, September

Spread them out geographically
Let's try to give as many as possible the chance to have at least one Main close by.

West: Paris, Antibes

South: Antibes

Middle: Grüningen, Brixlegg, Hannover

North: Riga, Stockholm

Spread them out over odd and even years
If one city gets the Main one year then other could get priority the coming year. Since the World Ranking (pros, wom) are over multiple years that will not affect the world ranking at all.

Avoid same country getting more than one of the highest statuses
This is only a problem for Antibes and Paris. Even though Brixlegg is in Austria it feels a lot like German or Swiss territory since the slalom scene in Austria haven't made itself shown very much.


With these points I get these two different proposals.

- 2006 Proposal 1
Paris May 25-28
Grüningen 9-11 June
Riga (EC) 1-2 July
Brixlegg (WC) 22-23 July

- 2006 Proposal 2
Hannover June 3-5
Riga 1-2 July
Brixlegg 22-23 July
Antibes September

The first proposal is a little bit too compact concerning dates for my taste. The second proposal is better but might seem surprising with Paris loosing Main status. But Paris will attract all skaters anyway. And with Hannover as Main the weekend after will give a very attractive double Prime/Main week. And we get a nice finish late in the season with Antibes.
I have started to like the second more daring proposal even though Grüningen then only gets Prime status. But that could also be a guarantee for them getting a Main for 2007. Same for Paris.

[Claude Regnier]

Good Luck tonight Vinzzzzzzzzz. By the way are any of you folks aware of the battle going on to have the status from one canceled race status moved to the race in North Carolina this coming weekend.

Could some of you take a look in the (viewtopic.php?t=2269&start=50) section and voice your opinion.

There is no solid reason, other then the existing rules established in the 80's or 90's that have not been revised to alow for last minute changes or cancelations of status events.

We have very few contest comparitively in North America and travel distance to even lower ranking events is quite a bit further and a lot more costly to attend.

There have been several good points brought up by several people. Perhaps a few people from Europe could convey their suggestions.

Thanks for your time.

[Vincent Berruchon]

PARIS is of course candidate for MAIN status.
Next year the parisian event will try to be more professional than ever and will take place inside something big with the city.
As the Trocadero seems to be finally not available in June, you know that we had to change the initial plans so the contest will PROBABLY be held on the week end of 27th and 28th of May (probably from 25 or 26th to 28th)
BUT the meeting with people from the city, the federation, co-organizers and other associations involved will happen TONIGHT.
So I hope to have a strong confirmation about the dates.

Detlef I'll inform you as soon as possible about what is goin'on here.

[Detlef Rehbock]

Hey Vinzz,

what date is paris? i need an answer to plan our Race.
please let me know asap.
Tomorrow we have our first meeting with the local Radio Station.

I think we need operating figures that have to be fulfilled to get a main or major status.
We talked about this at the beginning of this year. I think ISSA or the organizers of slalom races or all Skaters
have to describe the standards for a main race and then

organizers are able to apply for a main race status.

[Ramón Königshausen]

Paris

rmn

[Donald Campbell]

myvote definitely goes to hannover-detlef absolutely deserves that status

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

The Statuses are decided for the World's and European Championchips ?

If i rode it right, Antibes will be the last race in Europe where you can earn a lot of point's.


Major:

Brixlegg

Main:

Riga
Antibes


There is now one more Main left.

We want to have a main in Switzerland.

How will the decision be ? I think it's between Paris, Hannover and Grueningen, or are there other's who want the last Main Event ?


/J-Rad

[Donald Campbell]

guys...
the november 27th date is for this year.
next april axel fischer will be in the boat to make things smooth as butter,prepare for a nice course and good audience-perfect to start the season.
this year november i will coordinate the event in cologne.
entry fee is 20 euros-you will get a free t-shirt with a cool logo and the money earned will be spent on 2 portable slalom ramps which can be folded and are absolutely easy to assemble.
steve came up with an intriguing concept.we'll finance the ramps with the money earned.

don't forget-we have the BOWL

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

We are not able to move our competition. And we don't want to change anything because the sponsors have already our Dokumentation and there is the Slalom World Cup Grüningen on the front page.

so, 9/10/11 of June Grüningen.

Riga is the European Championchips


J-Rad

[Donald Campbell]

definite
dtown cologne 25 mins distance

[Peter Klang]

Donald,
How sure is the gig in Köln?
How far is Dusseldorf from Köln?

Let us know asap.

PK

[Peter Klang]

That´s exactly why I think Antibes should get the Worlds. The Word Championships has to be at the end of the session. Blow all the steam in July and then what???

Riga was out there fisrt of all, never claimed anything else, nobody challanged, now all of a sudden some of you are looking for plan B.

RIGA IS THE EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 2006

The Worlds is between Brixlegg and Antibes.

Stockholm choose not to apply for main status cuz we think the statuses should be moving to different citys every year. Paris though should be the grand opening every year.

As for our freind in the USA I think its all up to them. They make there statuses and just inform the rest of the world.

Keep it rolling
PK

[Donald Campbell]

november 27 in cologne pavel and kaliber will present the GOG race in cologne
as far as i can see that prime slot is still open,right?

[Donald Campbell]

as there are two open prime slots for germany we would like to announce 2 races for the next year one slated for april2nd in cologne and one for october 8th in düsseldorf as the "great western race series".
if i don't see anybody else stepping up for a race we will take the 2 primes for germany.

besides that we DO have sponsors for our races,namely US.


please feel free to correct me if there are any mistakes

[Steve Hinzen]

I would go for 10 !

[Etienne de Bary]

There is a regular SuperG Slalom event in St Germain, part of a local freeride event in Brittany, it's a very popular event.
SuperG slalom racing offers an opportunity to DH riders to try themselves through cones at their advantage.
it's a major race from a proselitic point of view: the number of slalomers in this neighbourhood doubles after each of these races.

Just one question that comes to my mind: how many different races can a pro racer participate in one week-end ?

[Steve Hinzen]

It's a pity to have both the European and World Championships in July.

That's why I prefer Antibes to hold the European Championships at the end of the season.

[Jadranko Radovanovic]

Jani,

our organisation will meet on Saturday. We will look if it's possible...

/J-Rad

[Jani Soderhall]

If I'm correct these are the tentative dates for the main events in Europe next year:

Paris, May 25-28
Hannover, June 3-5
Gruningen, June 9-11

Riga/Jurmala, July 1-2
Brixlegg, July 22-23

Antibes, September

I think the World Ranking is correct to suggest that events should be spread out over the season, but I'm not sure it's really a strict rule. I think it's a recommendation.

J-Rad, did you ever consider moving your event to August? Looks like there's an empty, pretty interesting, slot there! Moving the Paris event to August wouldn't be possible as it would then compete with Antibes, being in the same country. Hannover is stuck with their weekend in June because that's the weekend of the Expo. If we want that audience back it's the best weekend.

It's a pity to have both the European and World Championships in July.

Maybe it would actually be better to make Gruningen the European Championships, but only if it is moved to August?

Antibes should ideally be late September.

/Jani