2010 Rules alteration: 9.2 Starting Ramp

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Re: go vert!

Post by Marion Karr » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:30 am

Steve Hinzen wrote:As the last GoG-Mega-Ramp is over now we tend to built a new one. It´s a GoG-mission to push the limits.
2 weeks ago we were thinking about building a new big starting ramp with vertical transition.
The posts above encourage us to do so.

Who needs rules if speed is in need?

btw.:
Security is not an issue of ramp-size. Experience shows that big starting ramps are safe if they are built correctly.
Small starting ramps can be disastrous for every skateboarder if they are not built correctly.
Security is not an issue if the ramps are built correctly. That correct build should include adequate width. Running the "skinny" might look gnarly but why risk the racers health just to look gnar? Speed is gnarly in its own right.

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Post by Marion Karr » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:18 am

Joe Iacovelli wrote:Speaking as a BOD member, I would like to see any race have the ability to step up the game with a bigger ramp! That being said I agree with Wesley if racers are offer a choice, then we need to understand if said racer selects an A or B group and A is big ramp, B is traditional, or is everyone in one group and its an individual choice on which ramp to mount.
Thanks for the clarification. I should have read the entire thread before writing so much.

As for the DHB Events, what we have done is made it clear that on the day of the event we use the bigger ramps that it is the ramp that differentiates the group. Basically you self-declare which bracket you choose to participate in based on the ramp you ride. Unlike at previous Buckeyes where you had two ramps side by side with racers choosing at the time of skating which one to launch from we seperate the field, run the standard ramp first and then move to big ramp racing following.

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Post by Greg Stubbs » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:44 pm

Ours, including the new B.A.R., are all very well constructed.

FYI, I talked to Lou and he said the B.A.R. for the Sizzler is 9' tall with a 6' radius on the drop; very mellow.

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Post by Steve Hinzen » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:40 pm

As the last GoG-Mega-Ramp is over now we tend to built a new one. It´s a GoG-mission to push the limits.
2 weeks ago we were thinking about building a new big starting ramp with vertical transition.
The posts above encourage us to do so.

Who needs rules if speed is in need?

btw.:
Security is not an issue of ramp-size. Experience shows that big starting ramps are safe if they are built correctly.
Small starting ramps can be disastrous for every skateboarder if they are not built correctly.
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Post by Joe Iacovelli » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:47 pm

Speaking as a BOD member, I would like to see any race have the ability to step up the game with a bigger ramp! That being said I agree with Wesley if racers are offer a choice, then we need to understand if said racer selects an A or B group and A is big ramp, B is traditional, or is everyone in one group and its an individual choice on which ramp to mount.

Now speaking as an indicidual and racers, understanding with some clarity the organizer's intent helps me make choices in which race to attend and support. So cool that you are having the big ramps, it will be fun to watch, but what does it mean to us old slow guys that were happy with the older ramps?

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Post by Greg Stubbs » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:08 pm

Wesley Tucker wrote:How's that going to work? Is the Sizzler having two ramps and two different classes of GS?
I have no idea, good sir. I'm sure that is quite possible. All I know is I don't want to have to haul it because I think it's 3 pieces. We're talkin' Roll-in-zilla!

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:33 pm

How's that going to work? Is the Sizzler having two ramps and two different classes of GS?
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Post by Greg Stubbs » Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:23 pm

There will be a BAR (BIG ASS RAMP) at this years Sizzler G.S. / DOWNHILL event. Lou Statman is building it and with a big enough radius a downhill board will easily drop in on it with no chance of bottoming out. I believe he said "A little over 9 feet tall."

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Post by Marion Karr » Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:04 pm

Gary Fluitt wrote:My suggestion to change the rule is based on the belief that some of the ISSA rules are extraneous. I don't think it's necessary to put limitations on the size and shape of the ramp. Especially given that ramps are not required. You could have a push start in some races (though that might effect the sanction status?)

I would like to see fewer rules, not more. And so, when we can get rid a of a rule, it's a big win to me.
Thank you GARY...I ranted before I read this...Fewer rules the better. Thank you.

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Big Ass DHB RAMPS

Post by Marion Karr » Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:03 pm

I appreciate this discussion but the idea that the DHB Big Ramps are somehow unfair or unsafe makes me laugh. Yes, I crashed off the ramp at this last year's Dixie but it was NOT the ramps fault. I had the wrong set up and I didn't lean forward enough coming off. My 47 year self climbed back up the ramp and did it again.

We had an alternative race for those skaters who didn't come off the big ramps. The big ramps were for the Pro Class and the A Class. If someone is not comfortable that is cool and they can race in the other classes. (edited for clarity. mk).

What is the difference from having big ramps for the top classes or making the course harder for the top classes?

This is skateboard racing. It's dangerous.

I do think Race Organizers should build ramps that are generally safe and are not shoddy built and inherently dangerous because they are too narrow, the transitions are wrong, etc.

I appreciate the hard work that the ISSA is doing to streamline this sport but race organizers need some latitude in what they can do or this sport will not progress, not attract new talent, and will end up being stale.

The ISSA Board is working hard to make this all work out and I respect the work that they are doing. I completely understand the position they are placed in to try to improve this sport.
I did read that there is the race exception clause where an organization but my concern here is that some racers

If we are not able to use our big ramps in my opinion the DHB will no longer have ISSA sanction races. This is just my opinion and I am not speaking for the DHB on this matter.
We have always offered other brackets and options for people who choose not to ride the big ramps.

We have worked very hard to put one the best events we possibly can. All of the Dixie Cups have been well received and even our "inbred" hillbilly selves pulled off what I think was an excellent Worlds in 2007. At no time did we ever attempt to get anyone hurt. Bluegill was dangerous fast. Hobby Park is dangerous fast. The Big ramps make Gordon Street a great deal faster and worked great on Center Street. We have always tried to offe something new and exciting to bring racers back.

If you came to the Dixie Cups because it was a big points race then good for you but if you came to the Dixie Cups because it has the most stoke, a cool vibe, and great racing, then better on you.

I apologize for the randomness of this post but it was written over a bit of time so if I repeated myself forgive the repeats.

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Post by Michael Stride » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:41 am

I believe barge gates with a delay on the second run equal to the TD, like in WC snowboard dual-course racing, are the ticket. Prob only for big race because of the equipment and cost, but we ARE talking about making the sport grow, so thought I'd throw it out there.
That would be nice. I enjoyed the gates at Morro when they had them at the worlds.
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Post by Rick Floyd » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:13 am

I believe barge gates with a delay on the second run equal to the TD, like in WC snowboard dual-course racing, are the ticket. Prob only for big race because of the equipment and cost, but we ARE talking about making the sport grow, so thought I'd throw it out there.

The format we used for the 2008 US Nationals in Morro Bay also solves the problem Michael is addressing.

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Post by Michael Stride » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:02 am

• Be placed no closer than 4m from the 1st cone in the course.

I feel it can be closer in many cases.

• Provide hand-holds for the racer to pull on for propulsion from the start

We thought long and hard about that aspect of the Octane ramps. And decided on a straight pole that is easily grasped, as it is 1" x 2" stainless box section, thin end forward. I guess it doesnt have 'hand holds' as such....

• Have a signaling device placed such that the timing equipment can be signaled when the racer starts from the ramp.

Not needed. When we do dual qualifying we start the clocks from a tapeswitch at the bottom of the ramp, or approx 2ft from base of ramp. We are measuring comprable times so the actual location of the tape, so long as its the same on both courses doesnt need to be specified.

When actual racing is done we start both lanes at the same time on the 'Go'...

Dont get me started (no pun intended) on the dumb dumb dumb different starting windows systems. Start on Go. So that whover corsses the line first is ALWAYS the winner, if the same number of cones, or none have been hit. Otherwise you NEVER know whos won when racers cross the line and that really does confuse spectators...


I would though propose that if ramps are over 'X' height they must have a width of 'X'. This is because I consider the German mega ramp to be too narrow.
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Regardless of size...

Post by Jani Soderhall » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:47 am

I've always thought of rules being a guideline to those who are not completely familiar with our sport. Good, clear rules will help organizers do the right thing in an event and avoid some of the first-time errors that we've seen here and there. This provides for a much more appreciated event by all.

It would be good if this aspect could be taken into consideration as a secondary objective as rules are rewritten.

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Post by Guillaume Saint-Criq » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:33 am

existing rule does not forbid big ramps
organizers just have to describe them if they don't fit the standard

isn't there other priorities?
why change?

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Post by Donald Campbell » Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:43 am

rules need to be changed,too restrictive.

no organizer wants the spectators to fall asleep.

if we want the sport to stay alive we got to add excitement to it.

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Post by Steve Pederson » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:47 am

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Post by Pat Chewning » Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:20 pm

UNDER EXISTING RULES:
Ramps are limited to 2m and gentle radii
Ramps outside of this limit must be fully described as an exception so that people know that "special" (Big-ass) ramps will be used for an event.


UNDER THE PROPOSED RULE CHANGE:
Ramps are not limited in radii and height.
Contestants going to events will have no idea how big the ramps are or if they are unusually sharp. (Because virtually all ramps fit inside the specifications).

I would vote not to change the existing rule because it does not limit any particular event, and it requires the contest organizer to describe "unusual" ramps for the contestants.

If nearly all events were run with BIG-ASS RAMPS, then the rule should probably change (to describe a bigger-ass ramp).

Don't forget the opposite: Events with wimpy small-ass ramps. They too would be OK under the proposed rule -- without notification to the contestants.

IN OTHER WORDS: The purpose of a more limiting rule is so that exceptions are clearly defined in the contest sanction so that contestants (and ISSA officials) know exactly what the exceptions are.

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Post by Rick Floyd » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:40 pm

Steve Pederson wrote:I just got back from racing at the Dixie Cup and part of the reason I wanted to race there was the BIG RAMPS. It was a blast. I wish the big ramps had been used for more than just the GS --- tight and hybrid with big ramps would be fun. The Dixie Big Ramps are very solid and wide. They felt safe to me. Bring on the big ramps!
Steve - first of all BIG congrats again on last weekend's performance!

I'll make a deal with you - let's both JOIN the ISSA so we can VOTE on things like this. Wesley's point is well-taken. In my USASA snowboard racing, they won't even acknowledge a new idea or change unless it is brought formally before the board. Internet discussions are fine, but the don't ultimately DO anything. Let's DO it!!

I have been posting far too long to not have done this already, and I'm not alone! ;-)

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Post by Steve Pederson » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:13 pm

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Re: 2010 Rules alteration: 9.2 Starting Ramp

Post by Wesley Tucker » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:40 am

Gary Fluitt wrote:CURRENT
Start platforms shall:
• Be a minimum of 0.75m tall.
• Be a maximum of 2m tall
• Be a maximum angle of 45 degrees from horizontal
• Contain transitions of minimum radius 1m
• Be placed no closer than 4m from the 1st cone in the course.
• Provide hand-holds for the racer to pull on for propulsion from the start
• Have a signaling device placed such that the timing equipment can be signaled when the racer starts from the ramp.

PROPOSED
Start platforms shall:
• Be placed no closer than 4m from the 1st cone in the course.
• Provide hand-holds for the racer to pull on for propulsion from the start
• Have a signaling device placed such that the timing equipment can be signaled when the racer starts from the ramp.
Gary,

what
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take this to the BOARD FORUM and open a thread and get THREE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS TO AGREE WITH YOU. Probably sending out an e-mail with a heads up would be a good idea.

Then I'll make it part of the elections coming up the first of December. (The BOD nomination open next week. Two weeks later is the election. We'll vote on rules changes at the same time.)
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Post by Donald Campbell » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:46 am

i absolutely support gary's words

on the ramp issue:the sport is evolving,so why limit progress with restrictive rules?

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Post by Gary Fluitt » Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:07 am

My suggestion to change the rule is based on the belief that some of the ISSA rules are extraneous. I don't think it's necessary to put limitations on the size and shape of the ramp. Especially given that ramps are not required. You could have a push start in some races (though that might effect the sanction status?)

I would like to see fewer rules, not more. And so, when we can get rid a of a rule, it's a big win to me.

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Post by Cat Young » Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:06 am

I haven't gone down a HAR yet, let alone the GOG BAFR! (Big Ass F'ing Ramp)
Either you have a huge smile on your face or a look of sheer terror as you fly down the big ramp, but everyone always has a great time when the big ramp is there!
I have a new goal..... the big ramp!! Don't take them away!!!!
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Post by Donald Campbell » Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:35 am

i would like to know where the term"unsafe "comes into play.
we used the highest starting ramps made yet in the modern days,the biggest one being 10 foot.
fact is:each course gets harder to skate or is way more fun to skate.semi-steep hills become steep hills for a few seconds.
spectators love the ramps
and hey gary:tight courses with enough entry speed can be a blast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by Rick Floyd » Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:51 am

The Dixie Big Ramps and the Thunderdome are the most fun races I have ever done. In so many aspects of skateboarding, "safe" and "fun" are diametrically opposed...it's precisely WHY we do it.

Can you imagine if they made ski/snowboard races safe enough so that ANYONE could do it? POOF - there goes your sport.

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Post by Rick Floyd » Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:46 am

The Dixie Big Ramps and the Thunderdome are the most fun races I have ever done. In so many aspects of skateboarding, "safe" and "fun" are diametrically opposed...it's precisely WHY we do it.

Can you imagine if they made ski/snowboard races safe enough so that ANYONE could do it? POOF - there goes your sport.

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huge ass ramps

Post by Gary Fluitt » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:13 am

Huge Ass Ramps (HARs) could be dangerous for sure, but they do open up options for hills that are not that steep, and they have great camera appeal. Mostly they are a huge pain in the ass to build and move around.
The one that kenny built for buckeye had caster wheels on the side. Tip it over and roll it around. Didn't help with getting it across town or into a storage room.
Bungies are another thing, but I'm thinking those are too variable for a big race. And its a bigger pain to "load" the bungie with a racer. Bungies don't work that well for dual races. Great for single lane as long as there is a start box.
But I digress.
As long as the exception process can be used to make HARs valid in big races, I'm good with that.

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Post by Pat Chewning » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:57 am

My opinion is that the majority of races still adhere to the ramp rules, and the rules should probably not be altered -- so the "standard" ramp is still fairly narrowly defined.

The "big-ass ramps" are an execption that is easily covered when the race organizer describes this exception in the race sanction and race description.


My other opinion is that the HUGE, steep ramps are a disaster waiting to happen. (Too unsafe).

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2010 Rules alteration: 9.2 Starting Ramp

Post by Gary Fluitt » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:43 pm

Just reading the rules and I think the ramp specification has become obsolete. We have seen the advancement of mega ramps at all sorts of events from Johnny Miller's Thunderdome starts to the newly created Dixie Byrd-ramp-on-steroids.

Problem I'm trying to solve: Avoiding someone having a problem with a large (or small) ramp which then becomes a violation of the sanction for the race. A racer could claim the Dixie ramp doesn't meet the current criteria and therefore, it's unallowable. Unless it was approved somewhere else in the sanction, in which case, why have the rule?

Imagine someone claiming thunderdome doesn't meet the specs and therefore the race results are nullified.

I do think the race organizer has the responsibility to describe the start ramp idea with a fair amount of accuracy, (we're going to have an 8' start ramp that attaches to the top of my minivan) but I don't think ANY specifications should be placed on the ramps anymore. The racer should know what they are going to be expected to be able to ride down so they can decide if this is a race for them or not, but we don't need the specs.

CURRENT
Start platforms shall:
• Be a minimum of 0.75m tall.
• Be a maximum of 2m tall
• Be a maximum angle of 45 degrees from horizontal
• Contain transitions of minimum radius 1m
• Be placed no closer than 4m from the 1st cone in the course.
• Provide hand-holds for the racer to pull on for propulsion from the start
• Have a signaling device placed such that the timing equipment can be signaled when the racer starts from the ramp.

PROPOSED
Start platforms shall:
• Be placed no closer than 4m from the 1st cone in the course.
• Provide hand-holds for the racer to pull on for propulsion from the start
• Have a signaling device placed such that the timing equipment can be signaled when the racer starts from the ramp.

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